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Iran ayatollah drops dead during election speech
Iran Focus ^ | Feb 17, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 02/17/2008 1:58:56 PM PST by forkinsocket

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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Or here.
51 posted on 02/17/2008 3:31:59 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (www.conservativesgetbonedagain.com)
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To: forkinsocket

So if he didn’t die a martyr, does he still collect his virgins even though he just talked trash and had other people die for his BS?


52 posted on 02/17/2008 3:35:32 PM PST by rbosque ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: fzx12345

There’s some days I really wish I had a Death Note...


53 posted on 02/17/2008 3:38:37 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth

Is that anything like the “brown note”....?


54 posted on 02/17/2008 3:43:54 PM PST by duckbutt (Those who pay no taxes have no check on their appetite for services.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
Nice accompaniment!
55 posted on 02/17/2008 3:47:26 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Chi-townChief

I don’t care who ya are...that’s funny right there!


56 posted on 02/17/2008 5:42:55 PM PST by crghill (Jacob Harmenszoon is no friend of mine!)
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To: forkinsocket

PLEASE TELL ME HE CHOKED ON A HAM SANDWICH!


57 posted on 02/17/2008 5:46:30 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: goldfinch; nuconvert; SunkenCiv; Straight Vermonter; jeffers; Cap Huff; Saberwielder; ...
Contrary to most of the posts on this thread, this is not good news. The man who died was protesting against the disqualification of more moderate candidates for the next election. So his death will be taken as a sign that God wants the 7th century hardliners to remain in power.

Yes, you are right. Tavassoli belonged to the same party as the former President Khatami the Association of Combatant Clerics (sure, a very silly name) i.e. part of the “reformist groups” in Iran. He was strongly against Ahmadinejad.

There are two grandsons of Khomeini: Hassan Khomeini that is the person mentioned in this article, and in this article:

“Cuban President Fidel Castro is accompanied by Hajj Seyed Hassan Khomeini, the grandson of the late Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, as he leads more than 1.2 million Cubans in the largest anti-U.S. protest in four decades of hostilities, July 26, 2001. The march was billed by the ruling Communist Party as a protest against all U.S. “aggressions and crimes’ since Castro’s 1959 revolution. Khomeini is in Cuba as part of an Iranian delegation visiting on Castro’s invite.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/524670/posts
However, I think that Hassan today has a somewhat different opinion than he had some year ago.

The other grandson is Hossein Komeini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Khomeini In 2006, on the Al-Arabiya television station, Hossein called for American destruction of the Islamic Republic by invasion.

The election is March 14, and it will be a tough fight between the followers of Ahmadinejad, the conservatives like Hassan Khomeiny and the reformers that nowadays have the super corrupt billionaire Rafsanjani on their side. My bet is on Rafsanjani.

The politics in Iran is a very complicated issue and normal western classifications can not be used. Many crazy mullahs are subscribers of free economy and many reformists are really left wing nuts. We should ask Radio Farda etc to broadcast Milton Freedman's "Free to choose" etc. in Farsi.

58 posted on 02/18/2008 4:13:52 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: forkinsocket

Effin psychos. My Ayatollah is better than your Ayatollah because Muhammad was his great great great great uncle. What a mess of loonies


59 posted on 02/18/2008 4:17:00 AM PST by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<<<-->>>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: forkinsocket; martin_fierro; aculeus; dighton; sheik yerbouty; dennisw
Ayatollah Mohammad Reza Tavassoli, a former head of Khomeini's office, died while delivering the speech to Iran's main arbitration body, the Expediency Council


60 posted on 02/18/2008 4:18:18 AM PST by Ezekiel
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To: AdmSmith
Thanks for the ping. Your comment reminds me of Chen Sui-bian. He is usually known as anti-China and anti-communist. On ther other hand, he is actually a political left when it comes to social and economic issues.
61 posted on 02/18/2008 4:20:09 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: AdmSmith
Here is background for the latest Khomeini Affair

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iLqHcd5a_iFPiXhHEm0otIoLXMWQ

62 posted on 02/18/2008 4:20:50 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: forkinsocket

Jimmuh Cahter must be in mourning today, one of his Assahollah friends went to meet Allah (p*** be upon him).

I wonder if he will get a 21 bomb salute?


63 posted on 02/18/2008 4:25:15 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: AdmSmith; goldfinch

Goldfinch - you make an interesting point that his death may be taken as a sign. Not that it matters much.

Let’s remember a couple of things:

1)There are no such thing as free & fair elections in Iran

2)The election in March is for Parliament members. They make Iran LOOK like it has a civilized & fair gov’t, but they are basically powerless, because in the end they have to answer to the Guardian Council and Khamenei. Everyone in Parliament wants to keep his/her job (and life), so there won’t be any major changes to the regime coming out of there.

3)As far as “hardliners” vs “conservatives” vs “moderates” or “reformists” - there is no difference, except that “reformists/moderates” tend to smile more. Just as many people are killed and arrested under “moderates” as “hardliners” because in the end, it’s Khamenei who is in charge and it’s Khomeinism that is at the core of gov’t rule.

Hassan Khomeini is no different from Rafsanjani or Khatami.

Whether someone likes or dislikes Ahmadinejad is meaningless. He was put in his position by Khamenei and will be ousted and replaced by him when he sees fit.

“We should ask Radio Farda etc to broadcast Milton Freedman’s “Free to choose” etc. in Farsi.”

lol. Things at Radio Farda have improved a little, (so I hear) but not that much.


64 posted on 02/18/2008 5:03:31 AM PST by nuconvert (There are bad people in the pistachio business.)
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To: Ezekiel

What that guy said.


65 posted on 02/18/2008 7:20:03 AM PST by aculeus
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To: ScratInTheHat

They won’t “wonder” - they’ll interpret this event to fit their views.

It must be a sign from Allah that we are to conduct jihad with nuclear weapons!


66 posted on 02/18/2008 7:23:08 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: fzx12345

What the hell is that?!


67 posted on 02/18/2008 7:23:41 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: forkinsocket

Considering the streets of the Middle East are always filled with ranting, frothing, bug-eyed men one would expect they would croak by the thousands with heart attacks and strokes!
Hmmmm-raising their blood pressure to the anuerysm point...that might be very productive!


68 posted on 02/18/2008 7:28:01 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: forkinsocket

Is this not the will of “Allah”? Mekhtoub!(It is written!)


69 posted on 02/18/2008 10:05:48 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: forkinsocket

First name Herod by any chance?

Sometimes God shows that He is not tired, not deaf, and still interested in justice.


70 posted on 02/18/2008 10:12:16 AM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: forkinsocket

Awright... Who left the ZOT machine running?!?


71 posted on 02/18/2008 10:14:27 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: forkinsocket

Exploding headrest again?


72 posted on 02/18/2008 10:17:54 AM PST by McGruff
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To: Chi-townChief

Did anybody report seeing lightning?


73 posted on 02/18/2008 10:19:56 AM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: AdmSmith; FARS; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Ayatollah Mohammad Reza Tavassoli, a former head of Khomeini's office, died while delivering the speech to Iran's main arbitration body, the Expediency Council, of which he was a member, the Kargozaran daily reported. He had been responding to unprecedented ultra-conservative attacks against Hassan Khomeini, Ayatollah Khomeini's respected grandson, who had criticised mass disqualifications in the March election and military interference.
Thanks AdmSmith. I mostly agree with your analysis, but would quibble that the only news out of Iran is bad news, just that some is more bad than others. The good news will be when all of the mullahs are dead.
74 posted on 02/18/2008 12:10:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv; All; 1035rep; 1curiousmind; 4woodenboats; 2ndDivisionVet; 5Madman2; 68skylark; ...

Perhaps time to take another look at what this ayatollah died over.

Khomeini’s grandson is an “almost” secularist who does not believe in the clerics ruling a country as his grandad did.

Nor is he the fanatical hardliner that might be expected. He has been known (while in Europe or the USA) to have “partied” with small groups he trusts. Just like a Western young man.

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2007/07/khomeinis-islam-in-nutshell.html

However, forming an alliance with the late Shah’s son, Prince Reza Pahlavi, with whom he has met and chatted in friendliest of terms, to regain Iran’s freedom, proved too long a stride for him to take.

Would have made an interesting and perhaps hard to stop AntiMullah”team”.

The Khomeini grandson could draw in the religious inside Iran and the Prince those who regret the loss of what the Monarchy had provided in security and freedoms.

And there are increasing numbers of those, who now ruefully say “if only we had known what we were doing....”.

No! No! Don’t throw the Shah was a dictator and there was no freedom etc., at this.

There was no freedom for Communism and Marxist-Islamists at the request of his allies, specially the USA, who begged him to confront the Soviets. Then IDIOT Carter, suspected by many of having been a Soviet mole, stabbed him in the back precisely for doing this. Under the plaint that he was abusing human rights.

Of Carter’s darling Communists. A philosophy, whose leaders Carter continues to support and promote. Castro, Chavez and other leftist heads of state in South America.

Even Amnesty International, not a friend of the Shah, admitted there were only 2,400 political prisoners in Iran and that these were generally Soviet inspired and incited members of the banned Tudeh (Communist) party.

The very people who ended up implementing the Soviet directed revolution in Iran, opening the door for the Mullahs and causing the mindboggling challenges we face today with violent Islam.

Read the Ayatollah Khomeini sayings at the link above as a refresher.


75 posted on 02/18/2008 11:18:44 PM PST by FARS
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76 posted on 02/18/2008 11:20:53 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: FARS

Heart attack induced by drugs.


77 posted on 02/18/2008 11:26:04 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: wastedyears; FARS; All

Meant for the space to show.

Corrected:

Heart attack induced by __________ drugs.


78 posted on 02/18/2008 11:26:38 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: forkinsocket

I hope it’s contagious.


79 posted on 02/18/2008 11:28:46 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: USF; Fred Nerks

Ping!


80 posted on 02/18/2008 11:42:51 PM PST by jan in Colorado (For Barack Hussein Obama TRUTH FILE see my homepage! Research this imposter!)
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To: jan in Colorado; USF

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971962/replies?c=75

thanks for the ping jan.


81 posted on 02/19/2008 1:22:26 AM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: forkinsocket; All

Let me get this straight. I have just reread the entire article to make sure I get it. It seems there is a respected grandson of Khomeni who favors a more moderate course and was catch heck from the untraconservatives who have again restricted more moderate condidates from running for election.

It sounds as though the man who died was defending the grandson, and several extreme conservative sites were shut down for criticizing the grandson. Am I reading this right? If so, then this would make the dead men sort of a good guy, or at least a not too bad guy. This sounds really complicated and Byzantine. Anyone have a clear picture of what is going on right now in Iran?


82 posted on 02/19/2008 1:26:55 AM PST by gleeaikin
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"Well, there goes the neighborhood, dammit."
83 posted on 02/19/2008 6:24:37 AM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


84 posted on 02/19/2008 7:44:15 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: gleeaikin

I don’t have a clear picture of what’s going on in Iran, but I can tell you that your post was basically correct. Hassan Khomeini, Ayatollah Khomeini’s grandson, is being bashed primarily because of a statement he made that Khomeini would be against military intervention in politics. From what I know about him, he does appear to be a moderate or at least as close to a moderate as is possible.

This dead Ayatollah, Mohammad Tavassoli, was defending the grandson as a respected member of Khomeini’s family.


85 posted on 02/19/2008 7:55:59 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: 2banana
“and let God strike me dead if I am lying...”

My first thought!

Second was why aren't we so lucky?...

86 posted on 02/19/2008 8:43:52 AM PST by null and void (Donít panic, they have the news under control.)
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To: goldfinch
So his death will be taken as a sign that God wants the 7th century hardliners to remain in power.

Yeah. *shrug* They were going to cling to power anyway. We are in for bad times any way you cut it.

May as well "Laugh-a while you-a can, Monkeyboy!" < /Dr. Emilio Lizardo>

87 posted on 02/19/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by null and void (Donít panic, they have the news under control.)
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To: FARS
Then IDIOT Carter, suspected by many of having been a Soviet mole

Having been?

88 posted on 02/19/2008 9:03:58 AM PST by null and void (Donít panic, they have the news under control.)
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To: gleeaikin
This sounds really complicated and Byzantine.

Ummmm, yes. They invented Byzantine!

89 posted on 02/19/2008 9:07:08 AM PST by null and void (Donít panic, they have the news under control.)
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To: forkinsocket

Praise be to Allah.


90 posted on 02/19/2008 9:43:46 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: null and void

And is.

I was silently referring to the British Foreign Office sending some 400 observers to the USA to see if the Soviets would buy Carter’s re-election when he ran against Reagan.


91 posted on 02/19/2008 10:39:48 AM PST by FARS
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To: forkinsocket; 2banana; bronxboy; MNJohnnie; Farmer Dean; Abathar
>>>He had been responding to unprecedented ultra-conservative attacks against Hassan Khomeini, Ayatollah Khomeini's respected grandson, who had criticised mass disqualifications in the March election and military interference.<<<

Actually, I believe this guy is someone we should have wanted to live!! "Ultra-conservative" in the Iranian context are the hardline Islamic theocratic leaders that back Ahmadinejad.

These hardliners are the ones that have been beating up students demonstrating for democracy and disqualifying reform candidates for election that are trying to foster a more democratic Iran.

It's hard to keep the players straight in Iran, but I think this was one of the goodguys. RIP

92 posted on 02/19/2008 10:46:27 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: HardStarboard

Agreed. This Ayatollah was likely a nut himself, but he was nutty enough to support Khomeini’s family just because they’re Khomeini’s family. Khomeini’s grandson is being attacked & he does appear to be one of the better guys in Iran. See posts 75 & 85.


93 posted on 02/19/2008 10:54:14 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

PWND


94 posted on 02/19/2008 10:56:38 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: fzx12345
LOL デース・ノート
95 posted on 02/19/2008 10:57:47 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: forkinsocket
Wonder if that scared the holy shiite out of the crowd?

96 posted on 02/19/2008 12:37:19 PM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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97 posted on 02/19/2008 12:39:50 PM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: goldfinch

From wiki

“He was a member of The Combatant Clerics League which was part of the left-wing view favoring a focus ‘on exporting the revolution and calling for the state’s monopoly over the economy.’”

Some moderate...


98 posted on 02/19/2008 1:44:35 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: forkinsocket

Sounds like Allah was trying to send a message.


99 posted on 02/19/2008 1:47:01 PM PST by Heartland Mom (Build the fence, secure our borders, deport illegals - Protect our sovereignty!)
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To: forkinsocket

one nut down, too many to go.


100 posted on 02/19/2008 7:17:04 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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