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Posted on 02/17/2008 1:58:56 PM PST by forkinsocket
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So if he didn’t die a martyr, does he still collect his virgins even though he just talked trash and had other people die for his BS?
There’s some days I really wish I had a Death Note...
Is that anything like the “brown note”....?
I don’t care who ya are...that’s funny right there!
PLEASE TELL ME HE CHOKED ON A HAM SANDWICH!
Yes, you are right. Tavassoli belonged to the same party as the former President Khatami the Association of Combatant Clerics (sure, a very silly name) i.e. part of the “reformist groups” in Iran. He was strongly against Ahmadinejad.
There are two grandsons of Khomeini: Hassan Khomeini that is the person mentioned in this article, and in this article:
“Cuban President Fidel Castro is accompanied by Hajj Seyed Hassan Khomeini, the grandson of the late Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, as he leads more than 1.2 million Cubans in the largest anti-U.S. protest in four decades of hostilities, July 26, 2001. The march was billed by the ruling Communist Party as a protest against all U.S. “aggressions and crimes’ since Castro’s 1959 revolution. Khomeini is in Cuba as part of an Iranian delegation visiting on Castro’s invite.”
However, I think that Hassan today has a somewhat different opinion than he had some year ago.
The other grandson is Hossein Komeini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hossein_Khomeini In 2006, on the Al-Arabiya television station, Hossein called for American destruction of the Islamic Republic by invasion.
The election is March 14, and it will be a tough fight between the followers of Ahmadinejad, the conservatives like Hassan Khomeiny and the reformers that nowadays have the super corrupt billionaire Rafsanjani on their side. My bet is on Rafsanjani.
The politics in Iran is a very complicated issue and normal western classifications can not be used. Many crazy mullahs are subscribers of free economy and many reformists are really left wing nuts. We should ask Radio Farda etc to broadcast Milton Freedman's "Free to choose" etc. in Farsi.
Effin psychos. My Ayatollah is better than your Ayatollah because Muhammad was his great great great great uncle. What a mess of loonies
Jimmuh Cahter must be in mourning today, one of his Assahollah friends went to meet Allah (p*** be upon him).
I wonder if he will get a 21 bomb salute?
Goldfinch - you make an interesting point that his death may be taken as a sign. Not that it matters much.
Let’s remember a couple of things:
1)There are no such thing as free & fair elections in Iran
2)The election in March is for Parliament members. They make Iran LOOK like it has a civilized & fair gov’t, but they are basically powerless, because in the end they have to answer to the Guardian Council and Khamenei. Everyone in Parliament wants to keep his/her job (and life), so there won’t be any major changes to the regime coming out of there.
3)As far as “hardliners” vs “conservatives” vs “moderates” or “reformists” - there is no difference, except that “reformists/moderates” tend to smile more. Just as many people are killed and arrested under “moderates” as “hardliners” because in the end, it’s Khamenei who is in charge and it’s Khomeinism that is at the core of gov’t rule.
Hassan Khomeini is no different from Rafsanjani or Khatami.
Whether someone likes or dislikes Ahmadinejad is meaningless. He was put in his position by Khamenei and will be ousted and replaced by him when he sees fit.
“We should ask Radio Farda etc to broadcast Milton Freedman’s “Free to choose” etc. in Farsi.”
lol. Things at Radio Farda have improved a little, (so I hear) but not that much.
What that guy said.
They won’t “wonder” - they’ll interpret this event to fit their views.
It must be a sign from Allah that we are to conduct jihad with nuclear weapons!
What the hell is that?!
Considering the streets of the Middle East are always filled with ranting, frothing, bug-eyed men one would expect they would croak by the thousands with heart attacks and strokes!
Hmmmm-raising their blood pressure to the anuerysm point...that might be very productive!
Is this not the will of “Allah”? Mekhtoub!(It is written!)
First name Herod by any chance?
Sometimes God shows that He is not tired, not deaf, and still interested in justice.
Awright... Who left the ZOT machine running?!?
Exploding headrest again?
Did anybody report seeing lightning?
Ayatollah Mohammad Reza Tavassoli, a former head of Khomeini's office, died while delivering the speech to Iran's main arbitration body, the Expediency Council, of which he was a member, the Kargozaran daily reported. He had been responding to unprecedented ultra-conservative attacks against Hassan Khomeini, Ayatollah Khomeini's respected grandson, who had criticised mass disqualifications in the March election and military interference.Thanks AdmSmith. I mostly agree with your analysis, but would quibble that the only news out of Iran is bad news, just that some is more bad than others. The good news will be when all of the mullahs are dead.
Perhaps time to take another look at what this ayatollah died over.
Khomeini’s grandson is an “almost” secularist who does not believe in the clerics ruling a country as his grandad did.
Nor is he the fanatical hardliner that might be expected. He has been known (while in Europe or the USA) to have “partied” with small groups he trusts. Just like a Western young man.
However, forming an alliance with the late Shah’s son, Prince Reza Pahlavi, with whom he has met and chatted in friendliest of terms, to regain Iran’s freedom, proved too long a stride for him to take.
Would have made an interesting and perhaps hard to stop AntiMullah”team”.
The Khomeini grandson could draw in the religious inside Iran and the Prince those who regret the loss of what the Monarchy had provided in security and freedoms.
And there are increasing numbers of those, who now ruefully say “if only we had known what we were doing....”.
No! No! Don’t throw the Shah was a dictator and there was no freedom etc., at this.
There was no freedom for Communism and Marxist-Islamists at the request of his allies, specially the USA, who begged him to confront the Soviets. Then IDIOT Carter, suspected by many of having been a Soviet mole, stabbed him in the back precisely for doing this. Under the plaint that he was abusing human rights.
Of Carter’s darling Communists. A philosophy, whose leaders Carter continues to support and promote. Castro, Chavez and other leftist heads of state in South America.
Even Amnesty International, not a friend of the Shah, admitted there were only 2,400 political prisoners in Iran and that these were generally Soviet inspired and incited members of the banned Tudeh (Communist) party.
The very people who ended up implementing the Soviet directed revolution in Iran, opening the door for the Mullahs and causing the mindboggling challenges we face today with violent Islam.
Read the Ayatollah Khomeini sayings at the link above as a refresher.
Heart attack induced by drugs.
Meant for the space to show.
Heart attack induced by __________ drugs.
I hope it’s contagious.
thanks for the ping jan.
Let me get this straight. I have just reread the entire article to make sure I get it. It seems there is a respected grandson of Khomeni who favors a more moderate course and was catch heck from the untraconservatives who have again restricted more moderate condidates from running for election.
It sounds as though the man who died was defending the grandson, and several extreme conservative sites were shut down for criticizing the grandson. Am I reading this right? If so, then this would make the dead men sort of a good guy, or at least a not too bad guy. This sounds really complicated and Byzantine. Anyone have a clear picture of what is going on right now in Iran?
Thanks for the ping!
I don’t have a clear picture of what’s going on in Iran, but I can tell you that your post was basically correct. Hassan Khomeini, Ayatollah Khomeini’s grandson, is being bashed primarily because of a statement he made that Khomeini would be against military intervention in politics. From what I know about him, he does appear to be a moderate or at least as close to a moderate as is possible.
This dead Ayatollah, Mohammad Tavassoli, was defending the grandson as a respected member of Khomeini’s family.
My first thought!
Second was why aren't we so lucky?...
Yeah. *shrug* They were going to cling to power anyway. We are in for bad times any way you cut it.
May as well "Laugh-a while you-a can, Monkeyboy!" < /Dr. Emilio Lizardo>
Ummmm, yes. They invented Byzantine!
Praise be to Allah.
I was silently referring to the British Foreign Office sending some 400 observers to the USA to see if the Soviets would buy Carter’s re-election when he ran against Reagan.
Actually, I believe this guy is someone we should have wanted to live!! "Ultra-conservative" in the Iranian context are the hardline Islamic theocratic leaders that back Ahmadinejad.
These hardliners are the ones that have been beating up students demonstrating for democracy and disqualifying reform candidates for election that are trying to foster a more democratic Iran.
It's hard to keep the players straight in Iran, but I think this was one of the goodguys. RIP
Agreed. This Ayatollah was likely a nut himself, but he was nutty enough to support Khomeini’s family just because they’re Khomeini’s family. Khomeini’s grandson is being attacked & he does appear to be one of the better guys in Iran. See posts 75 & 85.
“He was a member of The Combatant Clerics League which was part of the left-wing view favoring a focus ‘on exporting the revolution and calling for the state’s monopoly over the economy.’”
Sounds like Allah was trying to send a message.
one nut down, too many to go.