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Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat
The Peninsula ^ | January 19, 2008 | Satish Kanady

Posted on 02/17/2008 5:05:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Dogubayazit (Turkey’s Iran-Armenian Border) • For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noah’s Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with “material evidence”, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkey’s highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia.

A panel of experts, comprising Turkish authorities, veteran mountaineers, archaeologists, geologists and members of Hong Kong-based Noah’s Ark Ministries International, also displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood before the media and specially invited international experts.

The experts claimed it to be a part of a long structure they had unearthed during their February-August 2007 exploration. “It is for the first time in the history of the Ark search that an exploration team is getting a material evidence and graphic documentation. This makes it not only a the significant breakthrough in the Ark-search, but one that is supported with the most substantial evidence in recent history,” the panel said.

The revelation is expected to open up a fresh chapter in the ongoing debates in the scientific community on the search for Noah’s Ark.

Narrating the genesis of their exploration on Mount Ararat, the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible, the panel said the search team had made several foiled attempts before unearthing the evidence at an altitude of 4,500-metres of the estimated 5,165 metre volcanic mountain.

“The structure was discovered in the interiors of an unusual cave. The 11.5m wide and 2.6m high white wooden texture was revealed after removing thick layers of volcanic ash on the cave wall,” panel members said at a press conference.

One of the underlying issues in the search for the Ark is the proper identification of its wood fragments. A petrographic examination carried out by the Applied Geoscience Centre of the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Hong Kong, identified the object as a petrified wooden structure, the panel said.

“Some of the big holes found on the structure indicate the locations where branches used to grow on tree. In places, original holes are partly or completely replaced by individual minerals and crystalline materials that can be found in rock materials,” said Dr Ahmet Ozbek, a panel member, who is also a faculty of Geology Engineering Kahramanmara Suctcu Imam University.

Dismissing the possibilities of the structure being wood that could appear naturally around the discovery site, Professor Oktay Belli, director, Eurasian Archaeology Institute, University of Istanbul, said researches have proved that there was no vegetation on Mount Ararat ever since 2000BC, because of the asperities of Ararat’s climate.

Talking to The Peninsula, Cemalettin Demircioglu, Dogubayazit City Governor, under whose jurisdiction the mount is located, said the civic body will invite more international experts to conduct further scientific studies on Mount Ararat.

“History has more than one times corroborated the legendary evidence that the ark was nestled on Mount Ararat. We will introduce the latest findings to the world and continue the scientific study. All interested scientists and NGOs can join our missions” he said. However, he said, those who are involved in the project must ensure the findings are not used politically, religiously, or for any vested interest.

Located in the Far Eastern Turkey, Ararat is great prize for mountain collectors. Ark sighting has often been reported from this mountain. The observation of Vessel-shaped features in aerial photograph of Ararat had caused a stir in the late 1950’s. However, this is the first time an exploration team is coming out with “material evidence”.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: ararat; bible; catastrophism; christianity; genesis; godsgravesglyphs; judaism; noah; noahsark; proof; turkey
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Can this be true? And if so, will it make some atheists heads explode?
1 posted on 02/17/2008 5:05:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TV show about this a few years ago.


2 posted on 02/17/2008 5:06:47 PM PST by television is just wrong (Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought this has been materially proven some years back. I saw a TV segment which had photos, etc.


3 posted on 02/17/2008 5:07:12 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Your choice if you take offense.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

AJNTSA


4 posted on 02/17/2008 5:07:27 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (My tag line is broken)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...again?


5 posted on 02/17/2008 5:08:19 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suppose it *can* be true, although I hesitate to say it is. It’s amazing that, in the 21st Century, a place could be so remote that it’s resistant to archaeological study.

On the other hand, that thrill-seeking pilot Mr. Fossett was just declared dead after being lost (presumably) in a small plane crash in the United States. Just shows it’s a big planet where it can be hard to find stuff.


6 posted on 02/17/2008 5:09:11 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: All

Wow, another one...who would have guessed Noah commanded a fleet????


7 posted on 02/17/2008 5:11:53 PM PST by Alright_on_the_LeftCoast
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We knew this a long time ago... oh, and the Bible said so.


8 posted on 02/17/2008 5:13:10 PM PST by AliVeritas ( (To err is human, but to really screw up it takes the Berkeley City Council))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
February-August 2007 exploration

Yet, no photos...
9 posted on 02/17/2008 5:15:03 PM PST by MarkeyD (Just another country bumpkin looking forward to Fred!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s going to take some dinosaur bones to begin to impress science. Finding a piece of petrified wood on Mount Ararat is hardly proof of the existence of the supernatural.


10 posted on 02/17/2008 5:15:29 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

14Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

-Genesis 6

Well, I wonder if they can analyize the petrified wood sample and tell whether or not it is gopher wood?


11 posted on 02/17/2008 5:15:40 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tax-chick
I suppose it *can* be true, although I hesitate to say it is. It’s amazing that, in the 21st Century, a place could be so remote that it’s resistant to archaeological study.

On the other hand, that thrill-seeking pilot Mr. Fossett was just declared dead after being lost (presumably) in a small plane crash in the United States. Just shows it’s a big planet where it can be hard to find stuff.

Fossett was lost somewhere near my hometown, and I can understand why. Very remote and sparley populated here. There are many parts of the world that, though mapped by geographers and satellite have never been explored.

12 posted on 02/17/2008 5:17:07 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Can this be true? And if so, will it make some atheists heads explode?”

Nope, the Eastern Barbarians have made sure no atheist heads will explode. They have RULES!

“However, he said, those who are involved in the project must ensure the findings are not used politically, religiously, or for any vested interest.”


13 posted on 02/17/2008 5:17:29 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
one-metre-long peice of petrified wood

Ah, how many millions of years does it take to petrify wood?

14 posted on 02/17/2008 5:17:46 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let me be the first to call bullsh*t.


15 posted on 02/17/2008 5:18:21 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: wagglebee; ExTexasRedhead; JulieRNR21; Salvation

If this proves to be the real thing, it’s one amazing development. Could the real ark have lasted this long without decomposing?


16 posted on 02/17/2008 5:18:30 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Yes, I saw your posts on the Fossett thread. I think that it’s good, in a way, that things happen that show us that we have very limited knowledge of the earth, and even more limited knowledge of the rest of Everything.


17 posted on 02/17/2008 5:19:09 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mt. ARARAT—in exile


18 posted on 02/17/2008 5:22:37 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can this be true? And if so, will it make some atheists heads explode?

Don't know but it might make them...


with worry at what's coming next.

19 posted on 02/17/2008 5:23:28 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood...

How many cubits is that?

20 posted on 02/17/2008 5:24:10 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: MrPiper

LOL no scientific questions allowed!


21 posted on 02/17/2008 5:29:29 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Clintonfatigued
Could the real ark have lasted this long without decomposing?

It would be very difficult for me to believe that it could.

22 posted on 02/17/2008 5:30:28 PM PST by squidly
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So how do we exactly do a gopher wood test?


23 posted on 02/17/2008 5:30:35 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: Non-Sequitur

about 2


24 posted on 02/17/2008 5:31:53 PM PST by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
How many cubits is that?

Around 2.2 cubits. One cubit is about 18 inches. A meter is 39.37 inches.

25 posted on 02/17/2008 5:32:09 PM PST by pnh102
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To: MrPiper
Ah, how many millions of years does it take to petrify wood?

Depends how frequently Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton, or Helen Thomas had been in proximity.

26 posted on 02/17/2008 5:33:11 PM PST by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Surely any and every ancient piece of wood must be the Ark.. nevermind that a wooden boat of the size of the Ark has never been documented anywhere besides the Bible, much less been found.


27 posted on 02/17/2008 5:34:02 PM PST by Sols
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible,

Someone smack me!

They didn't just list the Koran first!

28 posted on 02/17/2008 5:35:33 PM PST by ScratInTheHat (Don't like my immigration stance? I'm dyslexic. PC keeps sounding like BS to me!)
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To: Cicero

I am pretty sure they don’t know what gopher wood was.
susie


29 posted on 02/17/2008 5:35:45 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat"

This is news? I mean everybody knows that.

30 posted on 02/17/2008 5:35:56 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: MrPiper

Was it covered with lead based paint?


31 posted on 02/17/2008 5:35:59 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks, I agree. The area where Fossett disapeared is as remote as the N.C. frontier was in the 1750s when my ancestors lived there.


32 posted on 02/17/2008 5:36:02 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would think people having searching for more than 70 years.


33 posted on 02/17/2008 5:36:25 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A little late. I believe the ark has already been found.
Pictures and story of the excavation at:

anchorstone.com


34 posted on 02/17/2008 5:36:57 PM PST by Salvavida (Restoring the U.S.A. starts with filling the empty pew at a local Bible-believing church.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

A cubit is about 43 to 56 centimeters.

susie


35 posted on 02/17/2008 5:37:59 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Tax-chick

Actually it’s not the enviroment that’s preventing an archelogical study, but the Turkish goevernment.


36 posted on 02/17/2008 5:39:24 PM PST by Tempest (I'm a Christian. Before I am a conservative.)
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To: ScratInTheHat
"Someone smack me!

They didn't just list the Koran first!"

They're Muslims, so what would you expect?

37 posted on 02/17/2008 5:42:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I recall reading something similar about 20 - 30 years ago in an archaeological review (scientific - not religious) journal.

There were several problems. The govt of Turkey would NOT permit at that time any one to go poking around up there .. no international teams, no scientific research. Period. Glad to see they did do a joint venture

and The pix I can recall were fairly interesting.. aerials with an image in ice. various views. The problem was that this area really never thawed & so all was encased in ice year round ..........just in “summer” less ice..

The warm season MIGHT permit opportunities to investigate if the proper permits could be secured (less Ice but apparently still encased). At that time I found it fascinating & frankly did not follow it anymore & just had my memory jarred when I saw this article.

If I am recalling correctly at the time there was a LOT of tension as air space was violated to get the pix. Now with satellite it would not be a problem


38 posted on 02/17/2008 5:43:14 PM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: Tax-chick

Would Steve Fossett fly off in a small airplane and disappear on purpose? Might he be holed up someplace watching all this on TV and laughing his butt off for some twisted reason?

The truth is often stranger than fiction, they say.


39 posted on 02/17/2008 5:44:27 PM PST by Tucker39 (Just because I'm paranoid is no sign they're not really out to get me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was a series on tv “In Search of” hosted by Leonard Nimoy that publicized the possible location of the ark. The episode aired in 1979 called “Noah’s Flood”.


40 posted on 02/17/2008 5:44:57 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Cicero
Well, I wonder if they can analyize the petrified wood sample and tell whether or not it is gopher wood?

And what exactly is 'gopher wood'?
How could you tell the difference between it, and lets say, 'beaver wood'?

41 posted on 02/17/2008 5:45:21 PM PST by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: brytlea

Actually, “Gopher Wood” is a misnomer due to translation.

The word is signified by the consonants KPR, which which would just as easily identify a kind of bituminous cement or pitch.


42 posted on 02/17/2008 5:46:19 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Cicero

“Well, I wonder if they can analyize the petrified wood sample and tell whether or not it is gopher wood?”

And can they find any evidence that it once was covered with pitch?


43 posted on 02/17/2008 5:46:33 PM PST by Tucker39 (Just because I'm paranoid is no sign they're not really out to get me!)
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To: Rurudyne

That’s interesting, I didn’t know that. I wish I could read Hebrew.
susie


44 posted on 02/17/2008 5:47:21 PM PST by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Salvavida

According to that site they also found the Ark of The Covenant containing the Ten Commandments which happened to be right under where Jesus was crucified and they found that His blood had seeped into the ground and landed on the Ark. Im sure thats all true too... /s

Look, I’m pretty religious, but we hear these “they found Noahs’ ark!” things about twice a year now.


45 posted on 02/17/2008 5:48:03 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Non-Sequitur
How many cubits is that?

"God? What's a 'cubit'?"
-- bill cosby

46 posted on 02/17/2008 5:50:44 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Any Monday you can walk away from is a good one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>came out with “material evidence”, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkey’s highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia<<

I wonder how they would prove its “the ark?”

Even if there is a boat there thats the right size, it would take a good bit more to show it was the original and not a copy and that it was used to transport all those different animal.

I would think they should find the DNA of hundreds of species of animals who live no where near the are on “the Ark.”

Now, I don’t doubt there was a local flood that was referenced in the Bible but even the base of what is called Mt Ararat today is 5000 feet above sea level and to be even a few thousand feet above that as part of a world wide flood would have left observable evidence.


47 posted on 02/17/2008 5:51:24 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oooh a one meter long piece of petrified wood.
This story is posted here anually. Yawn...stretch...
wake me up when you really find something.


48 posted on 02/17/2008 5:52:29 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: icwhatudo

Uh, hello!!! The Nazis found the ark more than half a century ago. Thankfully, an American archeologist was able to rescue it. It’s currently been studied by “Top Men” at a facility in Washington with the usually title “Warehouse 23”.


49 posted on 02/17/2008 5:52:52 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Any Monday you can walk away from is a good one.)
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To: Salvavida
From Anchorstone:

"Or, how about this?-

"Another time, Marsh's men, knowing that Cope was spying on them, deliberately mixed the skull of one creature with teeth from another and left them for Cope to find and describe as a new species."

It should be quite obvious by now that our "knowledge" of dinosaurs isn't based on the most solid evidence. Most bones are found in jumbled piles, with many, many different animals being represented. As we said earlier, nearly complete specimens are extremely rare, which leaves us at the complete mercy of the person "reconstructing" the skeleton.

For example, when Gideon Mantell drew his reconstruction of the skeleton of the Iguanodon, he placed the "spike-like" object on the nose, similar to the rhinoceros horn. Later, this was proved to be wrong, but the misconception persisted for many years. They have since placed this "spike" as the thumb, but who knows- this could one day change, too.

How many times has the Bible been "reconstructed" by translation, omission of books, inclusion of others, etc.?
50 posted on 02/17/2008 5:53:12 PM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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