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Obama and the YouTube drugs/gay sex video
FR | 2.17.08 | Admin Moderator

Posted on 02/17/2008 6:00:30 PM PST by Admin Moderator

Edited on 02/17/2008 6:17:12 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

OK folks, where should we go from here? Do we continue to post the YouTube video, and the articles about the YouTube video, here on Free Republic?

We've had to pull some articles about this, all sourced to the YouTube video. Some were pulled because they were from porn sites. One site was blocked tonight because of other disgusting content.

Is Free Republic above this or do we want it to be true so badly that we'll post anything about this from any source?

If we're going to discuss this topic we should at least ask for more proof.

Thanks.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adminlectureseries; larrysinclair; obama
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To: txflake
Like Kurt Cobain said, everyone is gay.

Yeah, and how'd that work out for him? He's not able to post on FR, he's not able to vote in November, he's not able to.... well, Nevermind!

101 posted on 02/17/2008 6:49:08 PM PST by jdm (The traffic lights turn blue tomorrow.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Agree that until some corroborating witnesses are provided or this creep passes a couple of lie detector tests there really isn't much more to say about this issue.

A lawsuit has been filed which will probably be dismissed in record time.

Remember that if not for the dress the Lewinsky story would have just disappeared.

If OBAMA is really this insane, more allegations and stories will probably be coming out soon from other people,just like with Bubba.

If not, then I would be hard pressed to believe it.

102 posted on 02/17/2008 6:50:43 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Admin Moderator

I don’t see any reason to help the Clintons. It may or may not be true. Until someone legitimate verifies it, we’re just helping Hillary win.

Just say no.


103 posted on 02/17/2008 6:51:10 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Capitalism without failure is like religion without sin.)
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To: Graybeard58

Not to mention Larry Craig who got and still gets a lot of attention here, and deserves most of it.


104 posted on 02/17/2008 6:54:19 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: sofaman

Nix on the post.

Let Carville do his own dirty work.


105 posted on 02/17/2008 6:54:32 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: gondramB

whether to dwell on allegations without evidence.

NBA Great Charles Barkley Calls Conservatives ‘Fake Christians’


Then we better pull that post asap


106 posted on 02/17/2008 6:54:56 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: icwhatudo

If you have a problem with any of those threads or in which topics or sidebars they are posted, please send an abuse report for each.
Thanks and good luck.


107 posted on 02/17/2008 6:55:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: hole_n_one
For full disclosure, I must admit I have not yet seen the video in question........perhaps I should just keep my pie hole shut until I do.

I just realized that I need a link to the video.

If that's not a conundrum...

108 posted on 02/17/2008 6:56:13 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Admin Moderator
The guy with the video is either deranged, or a Clinton tool- or both. In the spirit of Bones McCoy:
It's dead Jim."
109 posted on 02/17/2008 7:00:17 PM PST by zadox
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To: Admin Moderator
Obama and the YouTube drugs/gay sex video

It certainly is a catchy title for a thread.

110 posted on 02/17/2008 7:02:55 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Admin Moderator

I think the accuser is trying to make money for a set of teeth.


111 posted on 02/17/2008 7:07:06 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Admin Moderator

No problem with them at all, the fact is all of those things are/were in the news-whether they are/were true or not. I was just listing them to give context for my opinion.

This Obama thing is in the news, true or not, and the acceptance of the $100,000 lie detector challenge is news IMHO. I agree with others that more links that are simply to the YouTube posting are not needed. Pretending this story does not exist however would be a bad idea, especially since it could be the clinton machine behind it.


112 posted on 02/17/2008 7:10:34 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Pikachu_Dad

agreed


113 posted on 02/17/2008 7:12:51 PM PST by sofaman ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.")
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To: airborne
Looks like more of the “Vast Clintonian Conspiracy”.
114 posted on 02/17/2008 7:14:13 PM PST by thunder01
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To: Admin Moderator

If this guy takes and passes the lie detector test, then it is newsworthy. If that doesn’t happen, then there is no point repeating an unsubstantiated rumor.


115 posted on 02/17/2008 7:14:34 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: icwhatudo

Oh I hope not! :)


116 posted on 02/17/2008 7:17:30 PM PST by Sudetenland (Mike Huckabee=Bill Clinton. Can we afford another Clinton in the White House...from either party?)
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To: Admin Moderator; All
"The question was should we be promoting this video on Free Republic."

3 for1 against

117 posted on 02/17/2008 7:18:41 PM PST by musicman
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To: Admin Moderator

I prefer to not confuse news with home videos. Actual news stories about scandals/rumors are okay. But youtube movies? Not interested. I don’t visit that website and don’t want it to visit me.


118 posted on 02/17/2008 7:19:42 PM PST by G.Love ( Romney '12)
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To: Always Right

Dan Rather, please pick up the courtesy phone.


119 posted on 02/17/2008 7:20:10 PM PST by auboy
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To: Admin Moderator
No more of the video, please. Leave it to the National Enquirer et al to dig up more on this. It’s pretty sordid as is until or if it is ever substantiated. If they don’t touch it, FR has taken the high road. If they do, and something turns up, we’ll take it from there. Maybe some Freepers out there can start the truth engine on this one and beat all the rest to it. If true, it is beyond newsworthy, it will be the demise of his candidacy.
120 posted on 02/17/2008 7:20:48 PM PST by Melinda
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To: Admin Moderator
I hope Larry Sinclair reads this.

Cheers!

121 posted on 02/17/2008 7:21:21 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Don’t post the video without more evidence.

I agree with many others here. We can’t just go on hearsay from one potentially crazy person.

We are better than the DUmmies and the KOmmies.

122 posted on 02/17/2008 7:21:32 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: icwhatudo

The $100,000 was offered by whitehouse.com. Are you familiar with the site? It’s blocked at Free Republic. Check it out if you want to know why.


123 posted on 02/17/2008 7:25:48 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
If corroborating evidence (not just polygraph tests, which can lie) appears, then it's worthy of FR for its political impact.

Until something more than a random YouTube video is available, I say pull the threads that link to it.

Discussion threads about the topic are fine.

But we should NOT PROMOTE the video by linking to it, directly or otherwise.

124 posted on 02/17/2008 7:31:11 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored; Admin Moderator
Re: my previous post #124:

> ...I say pull the threads that link to it.

Or at least pull the comments that include a link to the video.

125 posted on 02/17/2008 7:34:56 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: ConservativeMind

“We are better than the DUmmies and the KOmmies.”

Yes, the ratio of nays to yeas shows how different Free Republic is from DU. If this was about a Republican you know what would be happening.

In my five years here I’ve come to depend on FR to get to the truth and to get there way ahead of the MSM. I’m for backing away from all this unless or until there is concrete evidence to present. But if that happens, all bets should be off.


126 posted on 02/17/2008 7:35:10 PM PST by beelzepug ("Suffering from electile dysfunction.....can't get aroused by any of the candidates.")
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To: Admin Moderator

It has Mafia written all over it, Jim.


127 posted on 02/17/2008 7:36:13 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Admin Moderator
I will say that I remember some woman named Kitty Kelly who was on the Today Show a few years back with lurid tales about George W. Bush’s involvement with homosexuals and cocaine use.

This woman’s calendar was filled up with usual suspect MSM program appearances, and her gossip was through-the-grapevine stuff. This Sinclair guy is making first hand unproved accusations so I don’t see how Lauer and the rest of the usual suspects can fail to publicize his story.

128 posted on 02/17/2008 7:37:08 PM PST by Perchant
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To: Admin Moderator
The $100,000 was offered by whitehouse.com. Are you familiar with the site? It’s blocked at Free Republic. Check it out if you want to know why.

I'm not familiar with the site but I checked it out and found this:

"We are rebranding and relaunching as a Political/News/ Entertainment site in January 2008."

I found no porn and no offensive content. It looks like the site was totally redone and it now has normal news stories like McCains son returning from Iraq, etc. Might want to rethink the block policy if the changeover to normal political news blog is for real. They link to numerous liberal and conservative blogs.

129 posted on 02/17/2008 7:38:26 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Admin Moderator

That guy first came out on rense.com which is a banned siteher IRRC. We don’t want that crap here.


130 posted on 02/17/2008 7:40:16 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Admin Moderator

This “story” does not pass the smell test.

Pull them until this shakes out a bit more.


131 posted on 02/17/2008 7:41:00 PM PST by dfwddr
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To: Admin Moderator
If we're going to discuss this topic we should at least ask for more proof.

Yeah, check the limo for DNA. Why is it that conservatives always ask for more proof but all it takes is one liberal to make an accusation of a conservative and it has to be defended?

132 posted on 02/17/2008 8:03:38 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Admin Moderator
My take:

The fact that Larry Sinclair made this video and posted it to YouTube is political news and is worthy of one thread with a link to the video.

The fact that whitehouse.com offered Sinclair a substantial contract to take a polygraph and that Sinclair accepted is also news and is therefore also worthy of a thread.

If and when whitehouse.com posts the results of the polygraph, positive or negative, that's news as well, etc.

I hope that FReepers will be somewhat reasonable in discussing these events but they are definitely news and I see no reason to ignore them.

133 posted on 02/17/2008 8:06:29 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: airborne

As we speak some one is presenting some evidence to Dan Rather. I heard that they look real. Real or not I’m sure that they are accurate. LOL


134 posted on 02/17/2008 8:10:58 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Admin Moderator

However, if this guy produces Barak’s blue dress with both guys DNA on it, it’s a whole other ballgame. So to speak.


135 posted on 02/17/2008 8:15:07 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Admin Moderator

I hope I did nothing to offend you or break any rules at FR as my account came up suspended for “3 days to cool off” but then was reinstated moments later. Then someone put all the stories that I had mentioned (as other things posted that also could not be proved) into breaking news I guess to make a point.

My last post was simply to do what you said to do. Check out that site. I did, and it appears they have changed into a political blog. I do not want to break any rules so please let me know if did anything wrong and if posting these comments here is wrong please delete.

(got me a little scared to be honest)


136 posted on 02/17/2008 8:22:18 PM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Admin Moderator

Even if the accusations are true, I see it as only helping in the view of homosexual Liberal Democrat voters...


137 posted on 02/17/2008 8:28:43 PM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Let’s wait for B J Clinton or Hillary to publicly raise the issue, then we attack them and Obama.


138 posted on 02/17/2008 8:30:40 PM PST by vox_freedom
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To: Admin Moderator

We sure don’t want to be useful idiots running with fake planted stories so that when real dirt shows up, we won’t have any credibility.


139 posted on 02/17/2008 8:32:06 PM PST by fso301
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To: Admin Moderator

World Net Daily ran the story today. They are considered a reputable source by most.


140 posted on 02/17/2008 8:33:23 PM PST by no dems (Global Warming advocates have the IQ of a can of Spam.)
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To: Admin Moderator
How quickly we forget

If memory serves me 8 years ago the media hung onto the "Bush did cocaine" story like rabid pit bulls, even though it was only a rumor ; one in which NOT ONE person came forward to corroborate it.

To those who say no to this story, all I can think is that turnabout is fair play. But no matter, I don't expect the media will be consistent.

141 posted on 02/17/2008 8:47:10 PM PST by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to crap)
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To: Admin Moderator
FR has been infiltrated as of late. Some on here actually defend obama. Choose wisely on this topic, you could be playing into their hands.

The left screamed it was all gossip, lying and a right-wing conspiracy, that is until Monica Lewinsky stained blue dress turned up, remember?

Let the accusations on obama remain. His closet supporters here can bug off.

142 posted on 02/17/2008 9:15:14 PM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Admin Moderator

I forgot. Pull the you tube videos. Not need here. Verbal discussion on the topic will suffice.


143 posted on 02/17/2008 9:22:53 PM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Clemenza

he does look like his grandfather.....whatever happened to that little girl that she took up with one muslim and then went on to be with another......


144 posted on 02/17/2008 9:26:38 PM PST by cherry
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To: icwhatudo

how many dead priests have had their names dragged through the sex scandal on the word only of someone remembering something back in the 60’s?...yet, that was okay ...


145 posted on 02/17/2008 9:28:17 PM PST by cherry
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To: Admin Moderator
Is Free Republic above this or do we want it to be true so badly that we'll post anything about this from any source?


I think that the argument that “we have posted......in the past, so...” should be given little weight. The reality is that FR and we, the posters on FR have become more mature over the years.


There are apparently millions of people (not on FR) who are planning to vote for either Obama or Hillary with no objective, determinable reason. One reason for that situation is that it is easy. Voting without thinking means that one does not need to think about the CONSEQUENCES of their vote. This is the way of children, not of responsible adults.


Assuming that this current election season continues as it has, Freepers will be faced with no “good,” or “easy,” or “pleasant,” choice in November. If we are to choose as responsible adults, this kind of story will have no value. OTOH, we should know ABOUT it, and whether it is determined to be a Clinton campaign trick, to help us realize the consequences of whether, and/or for whom, we vote in November.


DG

146 posted on 02/17/2008 9:31:35 PM PST by DoorGunner ( ...and so, all Israel will be saved.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Unless we want to look like Dan Rather and Viveca Novak, we probably should wait. I would like to hold all the ammunition against Obama until has dispateched The Beast.


147 posted on 02/17/2008 9:44:53 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Admin Moderator

IMHO, let’s not go there...


148 posted on 02/17/2008 10:00:25 PM PST by LayoutGuru2 (Know the difference between honoring diversity and honoring perversity? No? You must be a liberal!)
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To: Admin Moderator

I watched the YouTube and read his letter. It is incredibly disgusting. I don’t know but would suspect that a surrogate of Hillary is behind this so that she doesn’t get her hands dirty.


149 posted on 02/17/2008 10:01:45 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Admin Moderator

“If we’re going to discuss this topic we should at least ask for more proof.”

In my opinion it is reasonable to delete any pornographic postings, but not to ban discussion of a controversial allegation against a leading Presidential candidate.

The credibility of the witness and the nature of any corroboration is the subject of discussion. It is unreasonable to require “proof” before allowing discussion, because it is only through discussion and argument that any proposed “proof” can be evaluated. That is the basis of our entire legal system.

In my opinion to ban discussion of this subject would be to bestow a gratuitous gift on the Democratic Party and the Obama campaign.


150 posted on 02/17/2008 10:25:24 PM PST by devere
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