Skip to comments.Obama and the YouTube drugs/gay sex video
Posted on 02/17/2008 6:00:30 PM PST by Admin ModeratorEdited on 02/17/2008 6:17:12 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
OK folks, where should we go from here? Do we continue to post the YouTube video, and the articles about the YouTube video, here on Free Republic?
We've had to pull some articles about this, all sourced to the YouTube video. Some were pulled because they were from porn sites. One site was blocked tonight because of other disgusting content.
Is Free Republic above this or do we want it to be true so badly that we'll post anything about this from any source?
If we're going to discuss this topic we should at least ask for more proof.
Yeah, and how'd that work out for him? He's not able to post on FR, he's not able to vote in November, he's not able to.... well, Nevermind!
A lawsuit has been filed which will probably be dismissed in record time.
Remember that if not for the dress the Lewinsky story would have just disappeared.
If OBAMA is really this insane, more allegations and stories will probably be coming out soon from other people,just like with Bubba.
If not, then I would be hard pressed to believe it.
I don’t see any reason to help the Clintons. It may or may not be true. Until someone legitimate verifies it, we’re just helping Hillary win.
Just say no.
Not to mention Larry Craig who got and still gets a lot of attention here, and deserves most of it.
Nix on the post.
Let Carville do his own dirty work.
whether to dwell on allegations without evidence.
NBA Great Charles Barkley Calls Conservatives Fake Christians
Then we better pull that post asap
If you have a problem with any of those threads or in which topics or sidebars they are posted, please send an abuse report for each.
Thanks and good luck.
I just realized that I need a link to the video.
If that's not a conundrum...
It certainly is a catchy title for a thread.
I think the accuser is trying to make money for a set of teeth.
No problem with them at all, the fact is all of those things are/were in the news-whether they are/were true or not. I was just listing them to give context for my opinion.
This Obama thing is in the news, true or not, and the acceptance of the $100,000 lie detector challenge is news IMHO. I agree with others that more links that are simply to the YouTube posting are not needed. Pretending this story does not exist however would be a bad idea, especially since it could be the clinton machine behind it.
If this guy takes and passes the lie detector test, then it is newsworthy. If that doesn’t happen, then there is no point repeating an unsubstantiated rumor.
Oh I hope not! :)
I prefer to not confuse news with home videos. Actual news stories about scandals/rumors are okay. But youtube movies? Not interested. I don’t visit that website and don’t want it to visit me.
Dan Rather, please pick up the courtesy phone.
I agree with many others here. We can’t just go on hearsay from one potentially crazy person.
We are better than the DUmmies and the KOmmies.
The $100,000 was offered by whitehouse.com. Are you familiar with the site? It’s blocked at Free Republic. Check it out if you want to know why.
Until something more than a random YouTube video is available, I say pull the threads that link to it.
Discussion threads about the topic are fine.
But we should NOT PROMOTE the video by linking to it, directly or otherwise.
> ...I say pull the threads that link to it.
Or at least pull the comments that include a link to the video.
“We are better than the DUmmies and the KOmmies.”
Yes, the ratio of nays to yeas shows how different Free Republic is from DU. If this was about a Republican you know what would be happening.
In my five years here I’ve come to depend on FR to get to the truth and to get there way ahead of the MSM. I’m for backing away from all this unless or until there is concrete evidence to present. But if that happens, all bets should be off.
It has Mafia written all over it, Jim.
This woman’s calendar was filled up with usual suspect MSM program appearances, and her gossip was through-the-grapevine stuff. This Sinclair guy is making first hand unproved accusations so I don’t see how Lauer and the rest of the usual suspects can fail to publicize his story.
I'm not familiar with the site but I checked it out and found this:
"We are rebranding and relaunching as a Political/News/ Entertainment site in January 2008."
I found no porn and no offensive content. It looks like the site was totally redone and it now has normal news stories like McCains son returning from Iraq, etc. Might want to rethink the block policy if the changeover to normal political news blog is for real. They link to numerous liberal and conservative blogs.
That guy first came out on rense.com which is a banned siteher IRRC. We don’t want that crap here.
This “story” does not pass the smell test.
Pull them until this shakes out a bit more.
Yeah, check the limo for DNA. Why is it that conservatives always ask for more proof but all it takes is one liberal to make an accusation of a conservative and it has to be defended?
The fact that Larry Sinclair made this video and posted it to YouTube is political news and is worthy of one thread with a link to the video.
The fact that whitehouse.com offered Sinclair a substantial contract to take a polygraph and that Sinclair accepted is also news and is therefore also worthy of a thread.
If and when whitehouse.com posts the results of the polygraph, positive or negative, that's news as well, etc.
I hope that FReepers will be somewhat reasonable in discussing these events but they are definitely news and I see no reason to ignore them.
As we speak some one is presenting some evidence to Dan Rather. I heard that they look real. Real or not I’m sure that they are accurate. LOL
However, if this guy produces Barak’s blue dress with both guys DNA on it, it’s a whole other ballgame. So to speak.
I hope I did nothing to offend you or break any rules at FR as my account came up suspended for “3 days to cool off” but then was reinstated moments later. Then someone put all the stories that I had mentioned (as other things posted that also could not be proved) into breaking news I guess to make a point.
My last post was simply to do what you said to do. Check out that site. I did, and it appears they have changed into a political blog. I do not want to break any rules so please let me know if did anything wrong and if posting these comments here is wrong please delete.
(got me a little scared to be honest)
Even if the accusations are true, I see it as only helping in the view of homosexual Liberal Democrat voters...
Let’s wait for B J Clinton or Hillary to publicly raise the issue, then we attack them and Obama.
We sure don’t want to be useful idiots running with fake planted stories so that when real dirt shows up, we won’t have any credibility.
World Net Daily ran the story today. They are considered a reputable source by most.
If memory serves me 8 years ago the media hung onto the "Bush did cocaine" story like rabid pit bulls, even though it was only a rumor ; one in which NOT ONE person came forward to corroborate it.
To those who say no to this story, all I can think is that turnabout is fair play. But no matter, I don't expect the media will be consistent.
The left screamed it was all gossip, lying and a right-wing conspiracy, that is until Monica Lewinsky stained blue dress turned up, remember?
Let the accusations on obama remain. His closet supporters here can bug off.
I forgot. Pull the you tube videos. Not need here. Verbal discussion on the topic will suffice.
he does look like his grandfather.....whatever happened to that little girl that she took up with one muslim and then went on to be with another......
how many dead priests have had their names dragged through the sex scandal on the word only of someone remembering something back in the 60’s?...yet, that was okay ...
I think that the argument that “we have posted......in the past, so...” should be given little weight. The reality is that FR and we, the posters on FR have become more mature over the years.
There are apparently millions of people (not on FR) who are planning to vote for either Obama or Hillary with no objective, determinable reason. One reason for that situation is that it is easy. Voting without thinking means that one does not need to think about the CONSEQUENCES of their vote. This is the way of children, not of responsible adults.
Assuming that this current election season continues as it has, Freepers will be faced with no “good,” or “easy,” or “pleasant,” choice in November. If we are to choose as responsible adults, this kind of story will have no value. OTOH, we should know ABOUT it, and whether it is determined to be a Clinton campaign trick, to help us realize the consequences of whether, and/or for whom, we vote in November.
Unless we want to look like Dan Rather and Viveca Novak, we probably should wait. I would like to hold all the ammunition against Obama until has dispateched The Beast.
IMHO, let’s not go there...
I watched the YouTube and read his letter. It is incredibly disgusting. I don’t know but would suspect that a surrogate of Hillary is behind this so that she doesn’t get her hands dirty.
“If we’re going to discuss this topic we should at least ask for more proof.”
In my opinion it is reasonable to delete any pornographic postings, but not to ban discussion of a controversial allegation against a leading Presidential candidate.
The credibility of the witness and the nature of any corroboration is the subject of discussion. It is unreasonable to require “proof” before allowing discussion, because it is only through discussion and argument that any proposed “proof” can be evaluated. That is the basis of our entire legal system.
In my opinion to ban discussion of this subject would be to bestow a gratuitous gift on the Democratic Party and the Obama campaign.