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The End of Conservatism(Fareed Zakaria)
newsweek ^ | Feb 16, 2008 | Fareed Zakaria

Posted on 02/18/2008 6:21:35 AM PST by kellynla

Conservatives are a gloomy bunch at the moment. Many believe that their party—the Republican Party—has lost its way and that it has done so by abandoning its principles. Aside from his foreign policy and Supreme Court appointments, conservatives find little to love about George W. Bush. His signature domestic policies include a vast expansion of government-financed health care (prescription-drug benefits), and increased funding for education while halfheartedly promoting vouchers and school choice. Bush also signed into law campaign-finance reform and supported a proposed immigration bill that would have allowed illegal aliens a path to citizenship. The Republican Congress is even worse, having indulged in an orgy of irresponsible spending. And now the party is set to nominate John McCain as its presidential nominee, a man who on several key issues has broken with Republican orthodoxy and voted with Democrats. For conservatives, a return to principles is the only way to be returned to power.

David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, begs to differ. "On the contrary," Frum writes in his smart new book, "Comeback," "the evidence suggests that a more consistent, more principled, more conservative administration would have been even more soundly rejected by the public than the unpopular Bush administration ever was." As Frum documents, every Bush policy that conservatives decry is in fact wildly popular. Public support for prescription-drug benefits ranges from 80 to 90 percent. And every Bush policy conservatives favor is regarded by the public with great suspicion. A majority of Americans regard the Bush tax cuts as "not worth it," and would prefer increased spending or balancing the budget to cutting taxes. In the one area where Bush remains unfailingly popular with conservatives—foreign policy—public support has also collapsed.

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1 posted on 02/18/2008 6:21:37 AM PST by kellynla
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To: kellynla

RE “Public support for prescription-drug benefits ranges from 80 to 90 percent. And every Bush policy conservatives favor is regarded by the public with great suspicion. “

There is some truth to this. That’s why a great communicator is important. I also think the way the Iraq war turned out had a big negative effect. The bottom line, I will support SOME compromises if it results in an overall conservative congress and white house. But Bush caved and is hated anyway and lost congress in 06 and probably the white house in 08. He has made the job more difficult, much more.


2 posted on 02/18/2008 6:30:04 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: kellynla

The liberal wing of the party and the Democrats only WISH this was true. McCain may actually win this election without the Conservatives being excited, but only because he will face a Socialist in November. It gives conservatives 4 years to regroup and strengthen, with a true cause. We have been led down the path to slaughter by the RINO element and the MSM this year, but not again.


3 posted on 02/18/2008 6:30:05 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: kellynla

COnservatism is about as dead as it was when Goldwater lost...seems the left is starting to count some unhatched chickens.


4 posted on 02/18/2008 6:30:30 AM PST by Tulane
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To: kellynla
The truth is Conservatives are optimists, we believe in the future and the superiority of our governmental system. It is the Liberals who are always pessimistic with their mantra of doom and gloom.

This is just wishful thinking from a Liberal tool. Zacharia is a faux journalist operative of the Democrat Party.

I am anything but pessimistic.
5 posted on 02/18/2008 6:38:09 AM PST by Sudetenland (McQueeg or Obama? McQueeg or Obama? Emotionally Unstable or Socialist? Decisions decisions!)
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To: sickoflibs
I also think the way the Iraq war turned out had a big negative effect

This is what happens when Conservatives let Newsweak and the rest of the junk media do their thinking for them. Iraq was not one of the Democrats "6 for 06" strategy. In fact, because they were deliberately vague on Iraq the whole time they were on the stump in 06, no one was actually sure what the Democrats plan for Iraq was. What they DID do was run against "A DC Culture of Corruption" that Republican Congress leadership did nothing about.

It was only after the election the Leftist media, able aided by Conservatives who were to busy screaming at their own side to fight the Democrats on anything, manufactured this mythology about 06 being a referendum on Iraq.

The proof that Iraq is not the major issue for people outside US "News rooms" it is claimed to be is the current approval ratings. Bush has been rock solid on Iraq, his approval rating has been rock solid. Congress, who has done nothing for the last year but fight with Bush over Iraq, has seen it's approval rating drop from 50% to a record breaking 11% in the same period.

6 posted on 02/18/2008 6:39:48 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: kellynla

“every Bush policy that conservatives decry is in fact wildly popular.”

Irrelevent. Every one of those policies are also unhealthy and unconstitutional for our nation. THAT is what really matters and a REAL leader would have used the bully pulpit to explain that to the American people and urged them to alter their views. Bush, either due to laziness, cowardice or his idiotic view of “compassion,” did not and thus the fault is his.


7 posted on 02/18/2008 6:39:48 AM PST by KantianBurke ("If you like President George W. Bush, you'll love Mike Huckabee,")
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To: TommyDale
We have been led down the path to slaughter by the RINO element

We have been out worked by the RINO element for the last 8 years. GET UP ON YOUR FEET AND WALK!

8 posted on 02/18/2008 6:43:14 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: sickoflibs

Iraq turned negative because the hippie illiterates like Couric, Rather, CNN, MSNBC, and even FNC only reported negative. They ARE literally working against the usa. Abraham Lincholn would have locked them up, and FDR would have stored them in canada.


9 posted on 02/18/2008 6:45:01 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: kellynla
Fareed Zakaria, globalist, fer sure. Check him out.
10 posted on 02/18/2008 6:48:25 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Uh, I have worked my tail off for this past 10 years.


11 posted on 02/18/2008 6:54:59 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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After the GOP gained the congressional majority in 1994;
it proved that it was not prepared to LEAD!

“the evidence suggests that a more consistent, more principled, more conservative administration would have been even more soundly rejected by the public than the unpopular Bush administration ever was.”

WRONG, Frum!

After 9/11, Bush enjoyed a 90% approval rating and at that time he should have deployed the National Guard to BOTH borders and the Corps of Engineers to build a fence on BOTH borders. He should have started deporting ALL foreign muzzies and illegal aliens. Either we are at war or we aren't!
Instead, he has squandered away his approval rating and it is not a matter of “if” but “when” we will be attacked again.

“after three decades of tax cutting, most Americans no longer pay very much income tax.”

Which is why the federal income tax should be replaced with a national sales tax. Half of Americans don’t pay ANY federal income taxes while more than half of Americans receive some kind of government assistance...and that doesn’t even include the millions of illegal aliens who receiver food stamps, free education, medical benefits & housing assistance while not paying any income taxes.

“The danger of Islamic militancy remains real and lasting, but few Americans believe they understand the phenomenon or know how best to combat it.”

Sooner or later, we are going to have to give the muzzies the jihad they so desperately want. And one more attack in America and every muzzie swinging dick will have to pack up his koran & family and go back to whatever hellhole they originated from. Our ancestors didn’t risk life & limb to emigrate to this country just so a bunch of camel jockeys could come here, terrorize our women & children and make hamburger out of our families.

And until conservatives start electing true blue conservatives to governorships so that we have a field to choose from for POTUS; we are going to continue to be in the predicament we are in today and for the past 20 years.

In the meantime, the Gelding Old Party needs to get a testicles & spine implant and in a brokered convention, nominate the best qualified person for POTUS, Dick Cheney.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

12 posted on 02/18/2008 6:58:05 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: MNJohnnie

RE :”manufactured this mythology about 06 being a referendum on Iraq.”

Iraq was a part of it, not all(I dont want to make a list here.) . Bush went from high popularity in 2002 to hated in 2006. Up to 06 elections I was in the “liberal media refuses to tell us the good news camp” but after the big 06 loss and firing of Rumsfeld, and the new surge strategy after years of being told the current strategy was working, reality did it for me. Even FNC was reporting negative in 2006. It was Bush’s job as commander and chief and head of Republican party to keep the public’s moral up. If the answer is “it’s impossible to do that with a liberal media” which some will say, well then it’s impossible to win certain wars, and that leads to a conclusion not popular here.

Democrats(Rats) could not promise an alternative , because they have none, and did not need to. Compare with them on gas prices, “Elect us if you are mad about gas prices”. Their solution, raise taxes on oil production, even just take past profits, as winfall taxes. Everything they propose drives the price up, then they blame geedy companies again. Same with Iraq, they have no solution except force Bush to surrender so HE gets the blame.


13 posted on 02/18/2008 7:06:13 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: longtermmemmory

I thought the same thing up to 2006.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1972220/posts?page=9#13


14 posted on 02/18/2008 7:08:20 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: kellynla
The left does not realize that Blue Dog Democrats and many of Ron Paul's supporters make up a lot of the base that is in hiding till the regular election. Many just will not vote till the regular election. Many will not poll properly till the regular election.

Many Conservatives who did not want McCain, Huckabee, or Romney, protest voted, or stayed home.

Some still are skewering the polls, they will vote to keep Hillary out, some will vote to keep Obama out.

Conservative values are shared by Citizens of the U.S. than are counted, but they will not show up in all of the polls since the MSM controls the way polls are conducted.

They control the poll results they want the public to hear.

The MSM is a Marxist few in control of the propaganda Machine, Conservatives have been turning to other means of news reporting, since the day Our Constitution was thwarted,
by the assasination, of Abe Lincoln!

Conservative’s may not agree on all issues, but I know one point is for sure, none of us will be voting for Hillary or Obama, who calls themselves Conservatives or shares a majority of thier challenges, red or blue states, come November.

Have a BLessed Day!

15 posted on 02/18/2008 7:15:10 AM PST by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: TommyDale

The liberal wing of the party and the Democrats only WISH this was true. McCain may actually win this election without the Conservatives being excited, but only because he will face a Socialist in November. It gives conservatives 4 years to regroup and strengthen, with a true cause. We have been led down the path to slaughter by the RINO element and the MSM this year, but not again.

That’s what I’m say’in.


16 posted on 02/18/2008 7:15:18 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: sickoflibs
“Public support for prescription-drug benefits ranges from 80 to 90 percent."

If anyone wants to find out how successful government control of medical care is, all they have to do is cross our northern border. The American government can’t even deliver the mail profitably & on time. I sure don’t want to pay for socialized medicine just because others refuse to pay for their own health care. And for Pete sakes, lets eliminate the free medical care to ILLEGAL ALIENS! If they want free medical care, they need to go back to their home country and get it. I don't have a "money tree" in my back yard! I'm tired of paying for these leeches!
17 posted on 02/18/2008 7:17:16 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: TommyDale
Active in the Party or just posting on FR and listening to Rush? If you have been actively working in the Party, my hat is off to you, and I apologize in advance for my remarks. I’m just a bit ticked off at so many that are acting like Duncan Hunter’s name should have magically appeared on November’s election ballot. I don’t even get to vote in my primary until May. For the next 4 years, I will be pushing hard for our primary to be pushed ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire’s even if we loose all of our delegates. I wish more states would have the balls Michigan had this last time around.
18 posted on 02/18/2008 7:18:44 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Thank you for your optimism. I hear too many sore losers around here while I am saying that its time to dust ourselves off and get up.


19 posted on 02/18/2008 7:18:55 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: TLI

Zakaria hates Republicans through and through.


20 posted on 02/18/2008 7:19:22 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: TommyDale

” It gives conservatives 4 years to regroup and strengthen, with a true cause.”

Unless and until we start electing true blue conservatives to governorships so that we have a better field to choose from for POTUS; we are going to continue to be in the predicament we have been in for the past 20 years.


21 posted on 02/18/2008 7:19:43 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
They are only hoping that this is a crisis in conservativsm.

Interesting that these people seem to be held in high regard, even though they are clearly pursuing an alternative agenda.

If anyone wants to know the definition of a Neo-Con, here it is:

From Wikipedia; "At age 14 he was a campaign volunteer for a socialist candidate.."

Also multiple hits on Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderbergers.

No wonder he is all for the collapse of conservativism.

Thanks for the post, Kellynla, and Semper Fi, sir.

22 posted on 02/18/2008 7:21:13 AM PST by Designer
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To: Sudetenland
The truth is Conservatives are optimists, we believe in the future and the superiority of our governmental system. It is the Liberals who are always pessimistic with their mantra of doom and gloom.

I only partially agree. I'm a pretty gloomy conservative--but not about whether conservatism is a better way to run a society. Rather, I think the prospects of slowing America's steady movement since 1932 toward nanny-fascism have become surpassingly close to zero.

We had a brief interlude from 1980-1998 in which the gallop was slowed to a walk. That appears to be decisively over. The next election will be a vicious argument about whether Democrats or Republicans get to control the stream of goodies during the fall. Conservatives don't even have a place at the table.

23 posted on 02/18/2008 7:21:24 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: kellynla
“every Bush policy that conservatives decry is in fact wildly popular.”

Ok, fine, let the kids eat ice cream for dinner every night.

24 posted on 02/18/2008 7:22:34 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Dixie Yooper

I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh. I have been actively working in the GOP locally since 1998. I was not a Duncan Hunter supporter, he had no name recognition and had zero chance. My primary election isn’t until May either, and I will NOT be supporting John McCain, even if he is the only name on the ballot. It ticks me off that so many people were so quick to cave in to McCain.

I think a lawsuit claiming that our civil rights were violated might actually be in order. (And I hate lawyers and lawsuits!) We were denied our votes in the nomination process. A national or regional primary is the only solution to this nonsense.


25 posted on 02/18/2008 7:24:46 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: kellynla

Conservatism is an ideology. Its core principles cannot die. Through-out American history, it has been embraced in varying degrees.

A single candidate cannot destroy conservatism. They can only suppress or revitalize it in the contemporary political scene and governmental institutions.


26 posted on 02/18/2008 7:26:48 AM PST by IssuesOriented
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To: Sudetenland
[ I am anything but pessimistic. ]

You're also probably oblivious..
McLaim CANNOT and will not win.. period..
Mclaim is George Soros man.. and smells like Soros..
Republicans want a dirty man that smells GOOD..

27 posted on 02/18/2008 7:28:11 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Thanks! I hope people do more real hard work the next 4 years for the Conservative cause than what I have seen for the last 8. I am going to try to get North Carolina to push our primary ahead of Iowa and New Hampshire. I hope more states do the same. A hand full of delegates should not bankrupt a candidate before the rest of our states get a chance to say what we want about them.


28 posted on 02/18/2008 7:28:13 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: IssuesOriented

“Its core principles cannot die?”

With half of America receiving government assistance and more than half not paying income taxes; it is only a matter of time...

Who says Communism is dead? LOL

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.”
P.J.O’Rourke


29 posted on 02/18/2008 7:32:56 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: OPS4

“Have a BLessed Day!”

Thanks. Lord knows I need one. LOL

And the same to you!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


30 posted on 02/18/2008 7:34:14 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

RE “, lets eliminate the free medical care to ILLEGAL ALIENS!”

Does the Republican party looks like it’s heading towards cutting off illegals by choosing McCain? At least Republicans will oppose NEW benefits IF a democrat wins.


31 posted on 02/18/2008 7:34:34 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: kellynla

Yep, the Republicans lost the Congress and next the Presidency because they were too conservative.


32 posted on 02/18/2008 7:34:34 AM PST by e-male
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To: TommyDale
I’m not happy about a bunch of states switching over to winner take all. It’s not right unless we are all doing it. I really wasn’t all that happy with any of the candidates this time. Duncan and Tancredo had zero name recognition, and Fred Thomson was just tired and lackluster. The two governors were too tainted from the liberal states they are from. The only candidate who’s people worked as hard as McCain’s were Ron Paul’s. No Thanks! I’m sorry to say that I’m stuck with McCain, but I using my vote for him to vote against Hillary of Obama. I refuse to give up my vote. I love this country too much not to keep fighting against them!
33 posted on 02/18/2008 7:37:50 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: kellynla

David Frum’s new book “Comeback”...

a.k.a. - “Payback”

The question some may ask me...

“Are you, Steve, a disgruntled conservative Republican?”

“No, I’m just committed to get the party back to where it should be, and do it by any means necessary.”

The moderates and appeasers to them and liberals is what got us in this mess, and they know it, and hopefully there will be enough of us around to make this message loud and clear at ouor state and national convention(s) this year...

We have lost the White House this time...And it was lead by a conserted and combined effort on both sides of the aisle...If the country-clubbers want a party, you guys need to go team up with the liberal to moderate democrats and build your own sandbox...True conservative do not need to retreat and do our own thing...

Gen. Patton said it best...

“Let the Hun do that!”


34 posted on 02/18/2008 7:42:09 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Dixie Yooper

We differ on the compromise candidate McCain.


35 posted on 02/18/2008 7:49:36 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: kellynla
With half of America receiving government assistance and more than half not paying income taxes

Exactly, there are more "conservatives" every year who are pro-life, pro-gun, pro-God, pro-military but who toss those issues the in dumpster the instant that their monthly government check is threatened.

37 posted on 02/18/2008 7:50:13 AM PST by Notary Sojac
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Just because America may have chosen to abandon Conservatism, doesn't mean the rest of the world has.

Asia is and will always be its flag bearer.

Or put another way, there is little multiculturalism in Asia.

38 posted on 02/18/2008 7:56:50 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: TommyDale
I’m sorry that some of us feel more strongly for our Country than for the conservative movement. I know that doesn’t sound very FRiendly, but it’s how I feel.
39 posted on 02/18/2008 8:05:25 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: kellynla

btt


40 posted on 02/18/2008 8:05:52 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Dixie Yooper

I think principles are the most important. When we uphold those, all the other things fall into place.


41 posted on 02/18/2008 8:14:10 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: kellynla
The end of Conservatism?? Conservatism is a way of life, not just a political idea or movement. We’re Conservative because of how we live, not just how we vote. Liberals just don’t get this.

As for gloomy; many of us aren’t thrilled with McCain, but gloomy might be an overly deflated assessment. In the current FR opinion poll, McCain is getting 57% support. That’s probably a bit more upbeat then gloomy.

42 posted on 02/18/2008 8:33:51 AM PST by skully (Conservatives...carrying the GOP since 1980)
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To: kellynla
The end of Republicans as a political party? Perhaps.
The end of conservatism? NEVER.
43 posted on 02/18/2008 10:30:16 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: kellynla
As Frum documents, every Bush policy that conservatives decry is in fact wildly popular. Public support for prescription-drug benefits ranges from 80 to 90 percent.

Well, that's good news for McCain and the Rinos, they'll have no problem winning without the conservatives.

44 posted on 02/18/2008 10:34:52 AM PST by RJL
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To: skully
Conservatism is indeed a way of life, like you said. It isn’t represented in the current election, but it will be back.
46 posted on 02/18/2008 10:36:11 AM PST by Luke21
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To: hosepipe
Your probably a real jerk, but I would attack you personally.

I don't want Mac to win because I don't believe him to be emotionally stable enough to be president. If you believe that McCain is any more liberal than Ike, Nixon, Ford, GWB, or GHWB, your fooling yourself. Reagan was an aberation. The one time Conservatives managed to control the party. It will take a strong Conservative with great oratory skills to get us back in control.

I don't care who is president, I am far more concerned with the down-ballot candidates and that's where I will concentrate my efforts.

Go suck your thumb and worry if you want to, crybaby, but I will remain optimistic.
47 posted on 02/18/2008 11:40:26 AM PST by Sudetenland (McQueeg or Obama? McQueeg or Obama? Emotionally Unstable or Socialist? Decisions decisions!)
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To: blackelkspeaks
blackelkspeaks wrote:

How on earth can you make the claim that 57% support for McCain on FR is “upbeat”?

I was claiming that 57% is upbeat compared to the “gloomy” assessment the author of this article was attributing to us. I don’t believe the author’s and the MSM’s premise that Conservatives are as downcast as they are spinning. I know my happiness is not determined by who the POTUS is.

I’m not making any argument for or against McCain; but I was actually surprised at his numbers here on the FR poll. I thought they’d be lower.

48 posted on 02/18/2008 12:21:49 PM PST by skully (Conservatives...carrying the GOP since 1980)
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To: kellynla

QUESTIONS FOR FREEPERS:

Whay too much whining about where we’ve been, backbiting, and not enough forward-looking agenda-setting.

Why are we conservatives? What do we care about?

What are the top 3-5 things we conservatives should hope to see change in USA in the next 12 years?

What should our 2020 goals be?

I invite you all to answer those questions. In answering those questions, you answer the skepticism of the author.

Conservatism will only have a future if we look to the future.


49 posted on 02/18/2008 1:21:03 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: WOSG
“What are the top 3-5 things we conservatives should hope to see change in USA in the next 12 years?”

Until conservatives start electing true blue conservatives to governorships so that we have a field to choose from for POTUS; we are going to continue to be in the predicament we are in today and for the past 20 years.

In the meantime, the Gelding Old Party needs to get a testicles & spine implant and in a brokered convention, nominate the best qualified person for POTUS, Dick Cheney.

Finally, conservatives need to encourage others to run for political office in their cites, counties, districts & states.

The ONLY way we can take back the GOP is by in an injection of conservatives in membership and leadership thus helping lead America forward.
Point, Game, Set, Match!

50 posted on 02/18/2008 2:54:30 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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