Posted on 02/18/2008 9:57:49 AM PST by 50mm
the failure to protect the innocent, and the advocacy of it, surely must be the first mark of a despot, or a would-be despot.
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Hitlery would certainly continue the baby-killing industry - Planned Abortion (If it's really Planned Parenthood, why don't any of their "patients" go there because they are trying to be parents?)
And Liberals call out troops baby killers!
I pray that the Lord will bless and protect these that were murdered. I also pray that he bring his full vengeance and wraith down upon on their killer's heads.
What a bunch of bullcrap. Millions of people, including myself, think such statements misleading and deceptive. There just isn't enough development of the brain of a fetus to make a person. There may be a heart beat, there may be nerves firing, etc. But that isn't enough a make a person.
I'm a conservative, but not a bleeding-heart conservative. People that talk about "murdered babies" are hoping that they can tug on my heart strings and manipulate me.
My head rules my heart on this. To me that's what being a conservative is about.
Well, speaking as a former fetus whose heart was beating and whose nerves were firing, I thank God that my mother thought I was a person and allowed me to be born.
And by the way, I was not a chicken fetus, or a cat fetus, or a dog fetus, but a HUMAN fetus. As were you, sir.
And that’s enough to make you a human being, AND a person.
People that talk about "murdered babies" are hoping that they can tug on my heart strings and manipulate me.
Looks like it's working. If you were certain of your position, maybe you wouldn't seem so angry.
Public policy must be based on facts, not on unverifiable metaphysical theories.
Your assertion that, in order to be a “person,” a human being’s brain must reach a certain stage of development, is a totally gratuitous, unverifiable claim.
The biological FACT, on the other hand, is that from conception, an individual homo sapiens exists, which is genetically distinct from the mother and the father, is alive and growing, and is, at every moment, progressing toward full development as an adult human being.
You are free to cling to your personal, metaphysical, religious notions about who is a “person” and who isn’t. But you are wrong to try to impose your religious views on others, as you are attempting to do when you say: “My personal religious view is that you are not a ‘person,’ therefore you die.”
You do the same thing by suggesting that, because a fetus is "genetically distinct from the mother and the father, is alive and growing, and is, at every moment, progressing toward full development as an adult human being", that the fetus is a person. You just don't have a courage to say it, though you imply it.
You bash me for using "unverifiable metaphysical theories", then have the nerve to sneak in your own theory.
At least have some balls and be honest about your position instead of being a hypocrite.
Dealing with shallow thinkers in makes me angry. I guess I expect too much of people, though.
That's enough? Really?
I think your standards are too low.
If there is a question of doubt as to when a person becomes a person, should we not err on the side of sparing the life of the person?
Since doctors can save the lives of children born prematurely at earlier and earlier ages, when then does the child become a "person", and how do we pinpoint that date? And if a child is "close" to that date, should we not err on the side of sparing a person?
Great post.
Freegards
A human fetus IS a person. It is a person at the stage of its life in which it is growing into a baby. Even YOU were a tiny fetus once, in the stage of growing. However, I'm not sure you grew into much of a person.
If you look up person in the dictionary, you'll see that it is defined as human.
If you look up human in the dictionary, you'll see that it is defined as pertaining to people.
If you look up fetus in the dictionary, you'll see that it is defined as the young after its own kind, and in the recognizable structure of its own kind.
A fetus is further defined as the unborn in the stage of life from the 8th week after conception to the moment of birth.
At no stage of its development is a human fetus not a person. It is a person because it is human.
Liberals “define” away their conscience - the unborn are not “fully human”, just like blacks were not back in the 1700’s.
If you ever get into an argument about whether a “fetus” is human, there is a handy set of arguing points out there called “SLED”.
http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7522
“There just isn’t enough development of the brain of a fetus to make a person.”
ah... so those with less brain development should be at the mercy of those with more brain development?
http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7522
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Is a person’s value defined by his abilities, by what he can or can’t do? Do we forfeit our rights as human persons because we don’t have the capabilities others have? Do stronger, more capable, more intelligent people have more rights than others? Do human beings become disposable simply because at their level of development they are helpless, defenseless, and dependent? Human value transcends abilities or the lack of abilities.
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I didn’t try to sneak in anything. I cited the PHYSICAL characteristics of the embryo/fetus/baby that make it clear that it is a living homo sapiens.
And it is homicide to kill ANY living homo sapiens.
I said nothing, and implied nothing, regarding whether ANY living homo sapiens is a “person.”
You, on the other hand, dismiss the PHYSICAL facts, and argue that the absence of “personhood”—a completely invisible, unverifiable “something,” whose absence or presence is invisible and unverifiable—is grounds for denying some homo sapiens the protection of the homicide laws.
I say simply that the totally gratuitous assertion that “personhood” is absent from some living homo sapiens is insufficient grounds to deny them the equal protection of the homicide laws.
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