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Apparent clue to JFK death likely a fake, DA's office says
Associated Press ^ | 02/18/2008

Posted on 02/18/2008 11:35:37 AM PST by presidio9

A transcript that reads like a conspiracy theorist's dream -- Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby plotting to kill President John F. Kennedy -- is part of a batch of long-hidden items and documents revealed on Monday.

Experts say the transcript is almost certainly a fake.

Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins presented the items at a news conference on Monday. He said they were locked in a safe for nearly two decades and that investigators had made him aware of them after he took office in 2006.

Curator Gary Mack of the Sixth Floor Museum near where the president was shot hasn't seen the transcript but doubts it is real. Watkins' top assistant said the document is likely material for a proposed movie.

The items also include Ruby's brown leather gun holster, brass knuckles found on Ruby when he was arrested, and a movie contract former Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade signed.

Other items found in an old safe on the 10th floor of the county courthouse include letters to and from Wade, the now-dead prosecutor in the Ruby trial, The Dallas Morning News reported in Sunday's editions. Ruby shot and killed Kennedy assassin Oswald two days after the president's death.

There are also letters to Ruby, records from his trial, and clothing that probably belonged to Ruby and Oswald, Watkins said Sunday.

Much of the attention is bound to focus on the transcript, supposedly from a meeting between Ruby and Oswald at Ruby's nightclub on October 4, 1963, less than two months before the November 22 assassination. In it, they talk of killing the president because the Mafia wants to "get rid of" his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

Says Oswald in the transcript, "I can still do it, all I

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: conspiracytheory; fakebutaccurate; jackruby; jfkassassination

1 posted on 02/18/2008 11:35:38 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Experts say the transcript is almost certainly a fake.

Implying that it's also inaccurate.

2 posted on 02/18/2008 11:36:53 AM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: presidio9

Don’t EVER depend on anything the Dallas DA says. He is one of the biggest losers to ever hold office.


3 posted on 02/18/2008 11:36:54 AM PST by devane617 (I WILL VOTE AGAINST JOHN MCCAIN !!!!!)
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To: presidio9
Much of the attention is bound to focus on the transcript, supposedly from a meeting between Ruby and Oswald at Ruby's nightclub on October 4, 1963, less than two months before the November 22 assassination.

Why and how on earth could there be a transcript of such a discussion??? It makes zero sense.

4 posted on 02/18/2008 11:39:46 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: presidio9
Fake, but inaccurate. Hey, wasn’t Dan Rather in Texas back in ‘63?
5 posted on 02/18/2008 11:41:05 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Always Right

You don’t have all your conversations transcribed? Not even the ones where you are discussing killing the President?


6 posted on 02/18/2008 11:43:34 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: devane617

It was an embarrassing presser. Fox cut away shortly after he mentioned a movie contract.


7 posted on 02/18/2008 11:44:13 AM PST by PghBaldy (I have had a feeling of deja vu for decades (I also have had hundreds of seizures))
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To: presidio9

Sure... criminals always make transcripts of their plots.


8 posted on 02/18/2008 11:44:26 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: FoxInSocks

This just in from Dan Rather: “Fake but accurate. Courage!”


9 posted on 02/18/2008 11:44:27 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: presidio9

What gave it away?

The fax stamp from a Texas Kinkos?


10 posted on 02/18/2008 11:45:35 AM PST by Mr. Brightside ( Ronald Reagan Would Back McCain - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970504/posts)
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To: BallyBill

Fake, but inaccurate. Hey, wasn’t Dan Rather in Texas back in ‘63?


Great call.


11 posted on 02/18/2008 11:48:06 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Always Right
Why and how on earth could there be a transcript of such a discussion??? It makes zero sense.

Exactly. Two guys are discussing killing the President and there's a transcript. That means it was being recorded with the knowledge of the two conspirators, which would make the conspirators really, really stupid, or law-enforcement was recording it without their knowledge, and then law-enforcement did nothing about it!

Not likely. More likely, it's a hoax.
12 posted on 02/18/2008 11:48:22 AM PST by Signalman
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To: Always Right
>Why and how on earth could there be a transcript of such a discussion???

The beauty of stupidity

13 posted on 02/18/2008 11:49:01 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: PghBaldy

Yep, much more than meets the eye.


14 posted on 02/18/2008 11:50:55 AM PST by devane617 (I WILL VOTE AGAINST JOHN MCCAIN !!!!!)
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To: SlapHappyPappy

Don’t be so quick to judge. I hear that in the transcript Ruby also gave Oswald a web site address that he used to buy the rifle! There’s even a FedEx receipt for the delivery.


15 posted on 02/18/2008 11:52:46 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: PghBaldy
Embarrassing is not strong enough for that performance by the DA. He is the DA right?
16 posted on 02/18/2008 11:53:10 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: presidio9

... who ‘FAKED’ it? How is it ‘FAKED’? Was it faked 40 years ago? or yesterday?

Are all the other items in the safe fakes?

..


17 posted on 02/18/2008 12:01:56 PM PST by Lexington Green (Philandeering John Seeks Reconciliation With Cuckolded Conservatives.)
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To: Always Right

Why, surely you jest! Lee had HIS Secretary transcribe the discussion for the record. Jack Ruby’s secretary was tired from the lap-dances she gave the night before.

Fiction.


18 posted on 02/18/2008 12:07:32 PM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: Brilliant

If you knew you would not be around for history to ask you I am guessing you might.


19 posted on 02/18/2008 12:16:26 PM PST by edcoil (Go Great in 08 ... Slide into 09)
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To: presidio9

The Kenndys picked on safe targets, the teamsters union, the Cincinati/Ky. mob, etc. They kept away from the big boys, the mafia, the syndicate, the CIO, The UAW etc. All the while focusing the publics attention on Bobbies heroics.


20 posted on 02/18/2008 12:17:43 PM PST by Waco
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To: presidio9

“Apparent clue to JFK death likely a fake, DA’s office says”

Ya think, maybe? All you gotta do is read the thing. It’s ridiculous on its face.


21 posted on 02/18/2008 12:21:18 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: PghBaldy

I was watching it on FOX a while ago. They cut away to E.D. Hill, who had a disbelieving smile on her face, and then they cut to a commercial when the guy was mid-sentence. LOL!


22 posted on 02/18/2008 12:25:52 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Get yours now. By election time, clothespins will be in short supply.)
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To: presidio9

23 posted on 02/18/2008 12:26:53 PM PST by robomatik (Wine plug: RenascentVineyards.com (Riesling, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot))
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To: Mr. Brightside
The fax stamp from a Texas Kinkos?

Nope. It was when Ruby and Oswald exchange MySpace id's so they can stay in touch.

24 posted on 02/18/2008 12:51:20 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: BallyBill

I know you’re kidding, but Rather was actually in Dallas in 1963, and was the first to report that Kennedy was dead.


25 posted on 02/18/2008 12:56:42 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Waco

I think it’s understood now that Hoover more or less allowed the mobs to “police themselves.” Murders were under cover, not out in broad daylight, and stayed within the families, for the most part. If they got too obvious, Hoover would clamp down a little, but if the press stayed quiet, Hoover left them alone. Kennedy did go after the Teamsters, which weren’t exactly the boy scouts. Whenever government intervenes in organized crime, though, they end up being just another gang, taking out one mob and thus freeing up territory for another.


26 posted on 02/18/2008 1:03:41 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Always Right

“Watkins’ top assistant said the document is likely material for a proposed movie.”

Also included in the safe was a movie contract with Wade. IOW, this ‘transcript’ was most likely part of the script for the proposed movie. Now, that makes sense.


27 posted on 02/18/2008 1:13:50 PM PST by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to prevent a democrat in the White House.)
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To: presidio9

From Wikipedia on Dallas Chief of Police Jesse Curry

Chief of Police Jesse Curry was involved in the discussions with Kenneth O’Donnell (special assistant to Kennedy) and Winston G. Lawson (Secret Service) about the route of that President John F. Kennedy was to take on 22nd November, 1963. However, Curry always insisted that it was Lawson who made all the major decisions.

Curry drove the presidential motorcade’s lead car and took control of the situation after the killing of Kennedy. The next day Curry told reporters that he could tell by the sound of the shots that they had come from the Texas School Book Depository.

Curry was also responsible for protecting Lee Harvey Oswald. However, he later claimed that just before Jack Ruby shot Oswald he was “called to take a phone call from Dallas Mayor Earle Cabell”.

Dorothy Kilgallen later managed to obtain the Dallas Police Department radio logs for the day of the assassination. This revealed that as soon as the shots were fired in the Dealey Plaza, Curry issued an order to search the Grassy Knoll area. This contradicted what Curry had told reporters and the Warren Commission.

After viewing the Zapruder Film Curry came to the conclusion that Governor John Connally and John F. Kennedy had been hit by separate bullets. He told interviewer Tom Johnson that he was not convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy: “We don’t have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle, and never did. Nobody’s yet been able to put him in the building (Texas School Book Depository) with a gun in his hand.”

Jesse Curry, who published the book, The JFK Assassination File (1969), died of a heart attack in June, 1980.


28 posted on 02/18/2008 1:29:57 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: presidio9
Back in the late 1950's my next door neighbor was a man named Steve Guthery (Guthrey?). He claimed to be the ex-sheriff of Dallas County, Texas. He told me that he left Dallas to protect his family because his restaurant and home were firebombed by the "mob" in Dallas. He specifically named Jack Ruby, who he claimed was awarded the Dallas territory by the Chicago mob as a reward for his loyal service as Jimmy Hoffa's Teamster Union secretary.

At the time, I had never heard of JFK and of course, he was only beginning his run for the presidency. I have no way to verify the conversation, but I'll bet that someone from Dallas would be able to find out if, in fact Steve Guthrey (sp?) was the sheriff of Dallas in the 1950's and if the story he told me was credible.

29 posted on 02/18/2008 1:36:20 PM PST by oneolcop (Take off the gloves!)
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To: Always Right
Much of the attention is bound to focus on the transcript, supposedly from a meeting between Ruby and Oswald at Ruby's nightclub on October 4, 1963, less than two months before the November 22 assassination.

I clearly remember, that right after the assassination, one of the strippers in Ruby's club claimed that Ruby and Oswald had a meeting there and that she recognized Oswald from the newspaper photos.
30 posted on 02/18/2008 1:41:17 PM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: presidio9
The whole secrete transcript!

Oswald: "I can still do it, all I need is my rifle and a tall building; but it will take time, maybe six months to find the right place; but I'll have to have some money to live on while I do the planning."

Ruby: Hey no problem, I'm real deep in the mob, only they don't know that yet

Oswald: Freakin sweet! Now you know that your supposed to kill me before they transport me out of jail, right?

Ruby: Yeah, yeah! I have friends that will let me in the basement at the last moment and I'll kill you there!

Oswald: Cool! Hey make sure its on live TV.

Ruby: No problem! Oswald: Hey, BTW who is going to kill you since you know so much?

Ruby: Hmmm. Well I'm sure the CIA will inject me with cancer cells or something. Slow agonizing death is what I want!

Oswald: Yeah not looking forward to that gunshot! That will probably sting really really bad!

Ruby: I was going to blow you up, but thats too Italian. I'm Jewish and you know we are big in the Italian mafia!

Oswald: This is going to be so cool. I'm glad we are plotting to kill the president in an open place for witnesses to overhear us. Usually its done in secret cuz I think its against the law to shoot a President!

Ruby: Well now your just getting paranoid Lee Harvey Oswald!

Oswald: You're right Jack Ruby!

31 posted on 02/18/2008 2:16:12 PM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: devane617

I received an invitation to hear this clown speak in a few weeks.

His speech? “Seeking Justice for Everyone”

Laughable.

I think I’ll pass.


32 posted on 02/18/2008 2:35:02 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: oneolcop
George Butler was born in Texas in 1907. He joined the Dallas Police Force and in October, 1946, Paul Rowland Jones, an underworld crime boss, contacted Butler and offered him money to help him establish his gambling operation in Dallas. Butler arranged a meeting between Jones and Sheriff Steve Guthrie. Jones offered Guthrie an annual sum of $150,000. This conversation was recorded and Jones was eventually convicted of attempted bribery. Jones appealed his three-year sentence on grounds that he had been entrapped by a well-established corrupt law-enforcement system in Dallas. "

...per JFK article concerning George E. Butler.

HF

33 posted on 02/18/2008 2:42:30 PM PST by holden
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To: Bommer

LOL! That’s just as believable as the original!


34 posted on 02/18/2008 2:49:04 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Git er done)
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To: safeasthebanks
It wouldn’t surprise me.
35 posted on 02/18/2008 4:20:42 PM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: holden

interesting


36 posted on 02/18/2008 5:22:51 PM PST by oneolcop (Take off the gloves!)
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To: Bommer
Oswald: Freakin sweet! Now you know that your supposed to kill me before they transport me out of jail, right?

Hoax. Nobody said "freakin" anything in 1963.

37 posted on 02/18/2008 5:53:01 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Bommer

You forgot on the transcript where Ruby and Oswald “high fived” each other and flashed gang signs. And the part when Jack Ruby was photographed getting into his black Cadillac Escalade.


38 posted on 02/18/2008 5:58:25 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Quix

JFK Assassination Documents Revealed
AP | ANABELLE GARAY
Posted on 02/18/2008 3:07:10 PM PST by kellynla
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1972468/posts


39 posted on 02/18/2008 6:48:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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40 posted on 02/18/2008 7:01:02 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks much.


41 posted on 02/18/2008 7:14:21 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: SERKIT
This just in from Dan Rather: “Fake but accurate. Courage!”


I mean, no one came forward to prove the story to be incorrect even if the evidence was forged. Must be true, right?
42 posted on 02/18/2008 7:19:21 PM PST by Honcho
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To: presidio9

I think this is horse hockey. So these documents are unfounded all these years???? And “mafia” and”mob” are mentioned. I don’t think you name the NAME. But of course, that just comes from watching the Sopranos and the Godfather movies. :)


43 posted on 02/18/2008 9:07:47 PM PST by berdie
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To: hinckley buzzard
Oswald: Freakin sweet! Now you know that your supposed to kill me before they transport me out of jail, right? Hoax. Nobody said "freakin" anything in 1963.

nobody killed a president from a tall building either. What can I say? Oswald was a trend setter!

44 posted on 02/19/2008 11:23:22 AM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: safeasthebanks

That did it: ROTFLMPO!!!

Good thing I didn’t have my mouth full of beer at the time, or I’d be cleaning my monitor right now!


45 posted on 02/19/2008 2:44:21 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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