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Inside the Vietnam War (National Geographic Channel Special)
National Geographic Channel ^ | 2-18-08 | Program Announcement

Posted on 02/18/2008 3:17:02 PM PST by smoothsailing

Inside the Vietnam War [TV-14 LSV Ratings N/A]

Monday, February 18, 2008, at 08P

Inside the Vietnam War takes you inside covert operations, gives you a seat at the military strategy table and lets you witness the emotional toll of war through the eyes of the soldiers and the pilots who undertook dozens of death-defying missions. Woven together with testimonials from more than 50 Vietnam veterans, archival audio and video footage, and never-before-seen photos, the special features the harrowing firsthand accounts of the brave men and women who lived through the war.

5 minute preview video...Battle at Ia Drang


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KEYWORDS: documentary; medalofhonor; milhist; moh; vietnamwar
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And this from the Corner at National Review... Vietnam in Balance [John J. Miller]

Occasional NROnik Mark Moyar recommends a new program on the Vietnam War, airing tonight:

The documentary "Inside the Vietnam War" airs Monday, February 18, at 8 pm EST on the National Geographic Channel. Having served as the documentary's principal consultant, I believe that it provides a much more balanced treatment of Vietnam veterans than previous documentaries.

The Corner

1 posted on 02/18/2008 3:17:05 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Ping.


2 posted on 02/18/2008 3:17:53 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Kathy in Alaska; ALOHA RONNIE; smoothsailing

*snif* - wish Tonk were here to give his always sage and unique comments on this. - *snif*


3 posted on 02/18/2008 3:19:46 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: smoothsailing

“The documentary “Inside the Vietnam War” airs Monday”

I will rate this based on the 5 minute trailer:

Political Correctness: 7
Historical Accuracy: 8
News Footage that correlates with the story: 2
Left leaning whinnying: 9
General lack of what this special is about: 1


4 posted on 02/18/2008 3:30:57 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe

Yeah - I dont expect much from National Geographic as they are all pretty far on the left.


5 posted on 02/18/2008 3:34:27 PM PST by spanalot (*)
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To: SandRat

He surely would have had something to say.


6 posted on 02/18/2008 3:40:11 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: smoothsailing; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; 359Henrie; 6323cd; 75thOVI; Adrastus; A message; abb; ACelt; ..
To all: please ping me to threads that are relevant to the MilHist list (and/or) please add the keyword "MilHist" to the appropriate thread. Thanks in advance.

Please FREEPMAIL indcons if you want on or off the "Military History (MilHist)" ping list.

7 posted on 02/18/2008 3:42:26 PM PST by indcons
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To: smoothsailing

Once again we will hear how the unjust imperialist war shattered the delicate psyches of all American fighting men, leaving an entire generation emotionally crippled.


8 posted on 02/18/2008 3:43:01 PM PST by Lexington Green (Philandeering John Seeks Reconciliation With Cuckolded Conservatives.)
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To: smoothsailing

The National Geographic Channel often surprises me. Despite crap like the recent “Six Degrees Could Change the World” it’s not near as greenie pussified as the magazine.


9 posted on 02/18/2008 3:47:42 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.)
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To: smoothsailing
Photobucket

Major Bruce P. Crandall
Medal Of Honor

Citation

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty:

Major Bruce P. Crandall distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism as a Flight Commander in the Republic of Vietnam, while serving with Company A, 229th Assault Helicopter Battalion, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile). On 14 November 1965, his flight of sixteen helicopters was lifting troops for a search and destroy mission from Plei Me, Vietnam, to Landing Zone X-Ray in the la Drang Valley. On the fourth troop lift, the airlift began to take enemy fire, and by the time the aircraft had refueled and returned for the next troop lift, the enemy had Landing Zone X-Ray targeted. As Major Crandall and the first eight helicopters landed to discharge troops on his fifth troop lift, his unarmed helicopter came under such intense enemy fire that the ground commander ordered the second flight of eight aircraft to abort their mission. As Major Crandall flew back to Plei Me, his base of operations, he determined that the ground commander of the besieged infantry batallion desperately needed more ammunition. Major Crandall then decided to adjust his base of operations to Artillery Firebase Falcon in order to shorten the flight distance to deliver ammunition and evacuate wounded soldiers. While medical evacuation was not his mission, he immediately sought volunteers and with complete disregard for his own personal safety, led the two aircraft to Landing Zone X-Ray. Despite the fact that the landing zone was still under relentless enemy fire, Major Crandall landed and proceeded to supervise the loading of seriously wounded soldiers aboard his aircraft. Major Crandall's voluntary decision to land under the most extreme fire instilled in the other pilots the will and spirit to continue to land their own aircraft, and in the ground forces the realization that they would be resupplied and that friendly wounded would be promptly evacuated. This greatly enhanced morale and the will to fight at a critical time. After his first medical evacuation, Major Crandall continued to fly into and out of the landing zone throughout the day and into the evening. That day he completed a total of 22 flights, most under intense enemy fire, retiring from the battlefield only after all possible service had been rendered to the Infantry battalion. His actions provided critical resupply of ammunition and evacuation of the wounded. Major Crandall's daring acts of bravery and courage in the face of an overwhelming and determined enemy are in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.


10 posted on 02/18/2008 3:48:19 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: smoothsailing
NGC Mon, Feb 18

11:00 PM Inside the Vietnam War

NGC Sun, Feb 24

4:00 PM Inside the Vietnam War

NGC Mon, Feb 25

4:00 PM Inside the Vietnam War

More airtimes.

11 posted on 02/18/2008 3:54:11 PM PST by andyandval
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To: jazusamo

Thank you for your post. And thanks to Major Crandall for his service.

And for his patience for his Medal of Honor 35+ years later???


12 posted on 02/18/2008 4:02:18 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: jazusamo

That sure looks like Engineer brass on his lapels. But as I recall from the late 1950s, there was no Army Aviation branch as such, and pilots might be from any of them. A few that I knew well were Signal Corps and were involved in operational testing of ground mapping radar systems. I have no idea how this works nowadays. To me back then, all Army pilots were direct heirs of the pioneer days of aviation (not Zoomies!)


13 posted on 02/18/2008 4:04:13 PM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: jazusamo
Thanks for posting, Jaz!
14 posted on 02/18/2008 4:06:23 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: SandRat
I miss Tonk alot. He was one of my first buddies at FR.
15 posted on 02/18/2008 4:08:14 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: indcons

Thanks, I didn’t know you had a ping list, but will remember in the future!


16 posted on 02/18/2008 4:10:51 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 19th LA Inf

I believe the Army took people from any MOS in the early sixties for Helo training, there was an intensive recruitment program. If a person signed a six year enlistment and could pass the flight entrance exam they’d take you, if I recall correctly.


17 posted on 02/18/2008 4:12:09 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: smoothsailing

Me Too.


18 posted on 02/18/2008 4:28:20 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Lexington Green
"...the unjust imperialist war shattered the delicate psyches of all American fighting men, leaving an entire generation emotionally crippled..."

And this is different from how they are trying to portray our military today...how?

Makes me sick, and I have zero faith that National Geographic will change their spots just for this.

19 posted on 02/18/2008 4:29:53 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: 19th LA Inf

“To me back then, all Army pilots were direct heirs of the pioneer days of aviation (not Zoomies!)”

Actually we felt and believed that we were part of the Army Air Corps. The same Air Corp group that bombed Berlin, Dresden, Frankfurt in WW II. If you were to see 300 helicopters involved in a operation you would understand. My own aviation company in Vietnam was called the Tigers and we were allowed to use the same tiger insignia that the Flying Tigers used in China.

No pilot had any special brass but many were artillery as I remember. Crew chiefs like me all wore Transportation brass because we were transportation soldiers. Actually, we were Aviation Soldiers.


20 posted on 02/18/2008 4:53:43 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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To: Lexington Green

I will withhold judgement until I am able to view the documentary. One reason is because Mike Moyar was the principle consultant on this.

Mike Moyar wrote Triumph Forsaken: The Vietnam War 1954-1965.
This book is absolutely hated by liberal academia due to challenging many of the falsehoods about the war that exist today.

So, I will give it the benefit of the doubt for now.


21 posted on 02/18/2008 4:55:11 PM PST by LilRedXpress79
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To: jazusamo

“I believe the Army took people from any MOS in the early sixties for Helo training”

I did two tours in Nam. 1966-1967 average age of a pilot-warrant officer was 30+.

Second tour 1968-1969 average age of a pilot-warrant officer was 22. As a crew chief in 1969 I was older than most of the pilots.

BTW in the Army you never, ever say Helo, it’s like Hooah it is an Army thing. We called them Choppers, Birds, Ships, and Helicopters but never Helo’s.


22 posted on 02/18/2008 5:01:28 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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To: Kathy in Alaska
Here is the sign to welcome new recruits.
23 posted on 02/18/2008 5:07:07 PM PST by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing; SandRat; txradioguy; All
FReeper txradioguy, of The Old Guard, was the announcer when Major Bruce P Crandall was inducted into The Pentagon Hall of Heroes the following day. Major Crandall signed his script.

Newest Medal of Honor Recipient Inducted Into Pentagon Hall of Heroes

24 posted on 02/18/2008 5:35:40 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Welcome to the Soc Trang Army International Aerial Port.

Thanks.

25 posted on 02/18/2008 6:01:09 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe

You’re correct and I shouldn’t have referred to it like that. The program I mentioned was in 60-61 and was a pilot-warrant officer program that I considered but didn’t want to reenlist for the six years. There weren’t many choppers around when I was in.


26 posted on 02/18/2008 6:08:24 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Kathy in Alaska; txradioguy

Great pic, Kathy and thanks for posting. What an honor for txradioguy!


27 posted on 02/18/2008 6:10:35 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: SandRat

I miss him too.


28 posted on 02/18/2008 6:18:52 PM PST by Gator113 (America just traded away the possibility of a dream, for what is certain to be a nightmare.)
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To: smoothsailing

record,thanks


29 posted on 02/18/2008 6:22:30 PM PST by larryjohnson (FReepersonaltrainer,USAF(Ret))
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To: smoothsailing

Recording this for later view, and later comment...


30 posted on 02/18/2008 8:46:44 PM PST by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: JDoutrider; larryjohnson
I don't get the National Geographic Channel, so I would like to know your thoughts about it when you get a chance to watch it.

Thanks for posting here!

FReegards

31 posted on 02/18/2008 8:52:10 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Gator113

He was the best. I always knew it was his post before I ever saw his name. He will always be remembered here with great respect.


32 posted on 02/18/2008 9:17:48 PM PST by easternsky
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To: SandRat

In memory of Tonk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1849275/posts


33 posted on 02/18/2008 9:36:18 PM PST by billmor (God Bless Out Troops and Gold Star moms and dads)
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To: billmor

Read the MOH Citation of Major Crandall..Then recelled—Ia Drang was the first big battle of the Vietnam War and was one of the bloodiest, fought for days...He truly deserved the MOH !...Guys were shot even before they got off the choppers...

Our forward HHC Tank battalion-69th Armored- was stationed on the road just above Ia Drang and it was a very spooky place..we were close to Plei Mei..that was in 66-67..


34 posted on 02/18/2008 9:48:16 PM PST by billmor (God Bless Out Troops and Gold Star moms and dads)
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To: jazusamo

When I was at Armor Officer Basic in July-Sept ‘68, we had a full Colonel give us a talk on going into helicopters.


35 posted on 02/18/2008 9:59:40 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: smoothsailing; All

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NEVER FORGET

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CLARITY =

The Lies of TET

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60610

.

NEVER FORGET

.


36 posted on 02/18/2008 10:01:19 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; jazusamo; SandRat

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NEVER FORGET

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BRUCE CRANDALL = Medal of Honor

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48215

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NEVER FORGET

.


37 posted on 02/18/2008 10:06:11 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: PzLdr

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If your Army Basic was at Ford Ord, California ..then Colonel HAL G. MOORE was Ord’s Commanding Officer:

HAL G. MOORE: The Legacy and Lessons of an American Warrior

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752

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Signed:..”ALOHA RONNIE” Guyer
Radioman/Driver/Orderly/Chaplain’s Assistant to then Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE in Vietnam-1965

(Photos)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

.


38 posted on 02/18/2008 10:15:30 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Armor Officer basic was at Ft. Knox, Ky. The Col. who spoke to us appeared to be very young for the rank.


39 posted on 02/18/2008 10:21:03 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: All; billmor; do the dhue; ExTexasRedhead; Calpernia; CBart95

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NEVER FORGET

.

Another Battle of IA DRANG-1965 Lifesaver who went to save 1,000’s of lives at the World Trade Center’s Tower II on September 11th, 2001:

The Man Who Predicted 9/11 =

9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA

(The Website)
http://www.RickRescorla.com

(The Pictures)
http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

(The Rest of the Story)
http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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NEVER FORGET

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40 posted on 02/18/2008 10:23:11 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; JDoutrider; SandRat

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NEVER FORGET

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A Personal Journey:

‘WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE...& YOUNG’...4 FREEDOM

http://www.Freerepublic.com/forum/a39626542519c.htm

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NEVER FORGET

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41 posted on 02/18/2008 10:36:22 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; smoothsailing

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Absolutely the best Battle of IA DRANG-1965 Docu Segment I’ve ever seen.

Looks like HAL G. MOORE is now one for the History Books till Eternity approaches us all.

http://www.lzxray.com

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

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Signed:..”ALOHA RONNIE” Guyer
Radioman/Driver/Orderly/Chaplain’s Assistant to Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE in Vietnam-1965

.


42 posted on 02/18/2008 10:48:58 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: jazusamo; SandRat; txradioguy; Kathy in Alaska; BeAllYouCanBe; ALOHA RONNIE
Post #42 and above. Ronnie Guyer knows the truth.
43 posted on 02/18/2008 10:56:02 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks Brother

Welcome Home

NEVER FORGET

44 posted on 02/18/2008 11:01:16 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for your posts and excellent links, Ronnie.


45 posted on 02/18/2008 11:13:36 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo; txradioguy

It has to have been such an honor. And to actually talk to Major Crandall. WOW!


46 posted on 02/18/2008 11:17:07 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: billmor; SandRat
USS Cory - Mr Tonkin, GMG3 Tonkin Gulf '68-'69


47 posted on 02/18/2008 11:30:49 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thank you for the links..Awesome !


48 posted on 02/18/2008 11:33:42 PM PST by billmor (God Bless Out Troops and Gold Star moms and dads)
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To: smoothsailing; ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks...got home too late to see it tonight. Tivo set for Sunday at 12pm here.


49 posted on 02/18/2008 11:39:00 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~)
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To: All; smoothsailing; Anita1

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NEVER FORGET

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MEL’s -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~aloharonnie/

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~anita1/

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NEVER FORGET

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50 posted on 02/19/2008 1:51:15 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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