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Mom: Police Told Daughter To Stop Calling Before Murder-Suicide
Local6 ^ | 2/18/08

Posted on 02/18/2008 4:53:01 PM PST by LibWhacker

'The Day She Died, She Knew She Couldn't Talk To Police,' Mom Says

DELAND, Fla. -- A Central Florida woman whose 17-year-old daughter was killed in a murder-suicide apparently committed by her ex-boyfriend said the teen was told by police to stop calling for help or she'd be arrested.

Police said Clay Coffner shot his estranged girlfriend, Natasha Hall, in the head outside her DeLand home Friday before turning the gun on himself.

Hall's mother, Sherry, said her daughter was concerned about Coffner and informed police.

In fact, Hall said her daughter called police so much that on Jan. 15 they threatened her.

"The police officer said if you call us one more time on him, I'm going to arrest you both," Sherry Hall said. "So, the day she died, she knew she couldn't talk to police. So, she handled it herself."

Michele Karpowicz said everyone noticed the warning signs before the homicide -- except police.

"I was going crazy," Hall's best friend said. "He was psycho, jealous and abusive."

Local 6 is trying to obtain a police call log to determine how many times the teen called police.

DeLand police officials have not responded to the allegations.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; beserkcop; boyfriend; calling; daughter; donutwatch; murdersuicide; police; rkba; stop
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1 posted on 02/18/2008 4:53:05 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

The police were obviously too busy busting into wrong houses and killing dogs in their never ending quest for weed.


2 posted on 02/18/2008 4:56:45 PM PST by bshomoic (Waiting for the Second Coming of Reagan will instead give us the Second Coming of Billary)
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To: LibWhacker

Nobody should have a gun or try to defend themselves. The best thing to do is to call the police and wait. sarcasm off


3 posted on 02/18/2008 4:57:42 PM PST by antonia (Build the Wall Now! "Drill right now, Drill today, Drill all night, Drill all the way!")
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To: LibWhacker

Fire and jail them all, including the 911 operators.


4 posted on 02/18/2008 4:58:46 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: LibWhacker

I will not rely on the police to protect me or my family.


5 posted on 02/18/2008 5:01:12 PM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: LibWhacker

The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect you. “You” being used in the generic form.


6 posted on 02/18/2008 5:02:47 PM PST by sport
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To: LibWhacker

Care to guess when the jackboot lickers will make an appearance?


7 posted on 02/18/2008 5:03:51 PM PST by sport
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To: LibWhacker
OMG>

She should have KEPT calling, so the cops would've come to arrest her. At least, she might have had a chance to stay alive.

8 posted on 02/18/2008 5:04:28 PM PST by mommadooo3 (Old concept in justice. If the law won't take care of it, it's just us.)
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To: LibWhacker
The police can't protect you and are not legally obligated to do so. They come and draw the chalk outline and put the remains in a rubber bag.

You are responsible for your own safety. Too bad this girl and her family didn't realize that before.

9 posted on 02/18/2008 5:05:20 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: LibWhacker

Call 9-1-1 and die.

Or get arrested.


10 posted on 02/18/2008 5:06:28 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: bshomoic

The police were obviously too busy busting into wrong houses and killing dogs in their never ending quest for weed

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Yeah, but just look at how many lives were saved by getting that pot off the street! /s


11 posted on 02/18/2008 5:09:35 PM PST by Southerngl
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To: LibWhacker

Police cannot prevent crime. They just clean up after.

Why didn’t the mom do something.


12 posted on 02/18/2008 5:11:37 PM PST by donna (Before they gave us McCain, they tried to give us Rudy.)
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To: LibWhacker
Isn't there a book available called Call 911 --- and Die?

Maybe it needs an update.

13 posted on 02/18/2008 5:12:08 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: LibWhacker
She looks like a sweet girl. May God rest her soul.
14 posted on 02/18/2008 5:14:31 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Eagles6
They come and draw the chalk outline and put the remains in a rubber bag.

Often in their $3000 cute swat outfits, armed to the teeth and looking really cool...

15 posted on 02/18/2008 5:14:31 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Delta 21

<”I will not rely on the police to protect me or my family.”>

You’re absolutely right NOT to trust them.

They know they have no legal requirement to protect anybody, and can’t be sued for their inactions (only their actions).


16 posted on 02/18/2008 5:14:45 PM PST by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: wastedyears
"Fire and jail them all, including the 911 operators."

Can't. They have a very strong union.

Police today are nothing more them revenue agents.

I'd never call a cop.

The guys that break into my house, they are going to have to call the cops.

17 posted on 02/18/2008 5:16:09 PM PST by NoLibZone (If the Clinton years were so great, why is Osama doing so well?)
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To: Eagles6

We had a situation in our family years ago when my aunt’s ex became a stalker and made her life— and my grandparents’ lives— hell, with his threats and harassment. After a couple of weeks, my two uncles came to town and took the stalker for a ride out on a lonely road. They showed him exactly where his body was going to be dumped if he did not leave their sister alone. The harassment stopped immediately.


18 posted on 02/18/2008 5:16:38 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: LibWhacker

When seconds count, police are only minutes away.


19 posted on 02/18/2008 5:17:17 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: LibWhacker

For heaven’s sake, don’t tell me that the Deland PD runs around with that “To Protect & Serve” bumper sticker on their cruisers...


20 posted on 02/18/2008 5:17:21 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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To: LibWhacker

The Second Amendment is the ultimate (authentic) feminist issue. This beautiful young girl should have been armed. And trained to use her weapon properly.


21 posted on 02/18/2008 5:18:15 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: donna
Why didn’t the mom do something.

It's a shame, but at 17, you'd think there was a relative to send her off to for awhile.

I guess, even when people are afraid, they still think maybe bad stuff won't really happen? Poor girl.

22 posted on 02/18/2008 5:19:07 PM PST by Dianna
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To: LibWhacker

Too many dognuts.


23 posted on 02/18/2008 5:19:30 PM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: NoLibZone
I'd never call a cop. The guys that break into my house, they are going to have to call the cops.

GREAT line!

24 posted on 02/18/2008 5:19:41 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Southerngl

If she had called and reported her neighbor smoking pot, the SWAT team would have busted into her house by mistake and saved her.


25 posted on 02/18/2008 5:19:46 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: Larry Lucido; Publius6961
Someone needs to write Call 45 cal and LIVE!

Real shame.

26 posted on 02/18/2008 5:20:25 PM PST by LibWhacker ("I don't like prison. They have the wrong types of bars in there." Charles Bukowski)
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To: LibWhacker

I’ve seen cases before where the girl keeps calling the police to protect her against an ex that keeps threatening her, the police tell her to come in and press charges or file a restraining order, but the girl refuses to do so. Next, at the girl’s invitation “since he now promises to be good” the girl and her ex are back together again and when she gets threatened some more, she calls the police again, thinking they’re her personal security team.

If she keeps refusing to file charges the police will eventually grow tired of her. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case here.


27 posted on 02/18/2008 5:21:35 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: purpleraine

LOL

Sad but realistic


28 posted on 02/18/2008 5:23:36 PM PST by Syncro
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To: San Jacinto

Ahhh - family justice - probably has a much better (lower) rate of recidivism than just about any other system. My mom tells a story of one her older sisters who was being routinely beaten by her worthless husband. Until, of course, the six brothers found out, all of whom served in various branches of the military circa WWII. They took him out to the barn and had a “friendly chat”, after which this scumbag decided he wasn’t so interested in beatings anymore...


29 posted on 02/18/2008 5:24:20 PM PST by Hegemony Cricket (IX-XI -- numquam didici)
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To: FormerACLUmember

“There is no situation so bad it cannot be made worse by the presence of a policeman”.

This girls mistake was thinking the police actually help anyone.....and it cost her life.

If she had tried to protect herself....then the police would have arrived....to arrest her.

Makes you wonder who the real criminals are.....


30 posted on 02/18/2008 5:25:46 PM PST by glasseye
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To: ScottfromNJ

I suspect there’s a lot more to this story than has been presented at this point. It could turn out to be as bad as it sounds right now, but it’s going to take time to gather up all the pieces and assemble the puzzle.

Sadly, I have little faith in those who will be gathering the pieces. I have no concrete, absolute reason for my lack of faith, just a nagging feeling that’s been years in the making that police tend to protect their own. It’s human nature. Doctors do it, plumbers do it, we all do it.


31 posted on 02/18/2008 5:26:56 PM PST by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: San Jacinto

Are they for hire?


32 posted on 02/18/2008 5:27:09 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: LibWhacker

Why didn’t the girl or her family get a restraining order?


33 posted on 02/18/2008 5:36:31 PM PST by LdSentinal
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This is horribly tragic, but much information is missing. We don't know if the police responded to how many prior calls. It sounds like she didn't take serious measures to protect herself by getting him out of her life. So many women just won't, there's some word for the syndrome, can't think of it now. Then some become stalkers. Again, we don't know.

That doesn't excuse the police not responding, they should have come, but beyond that, they can't force him to stay away from her or vice versa absenct attempted murder, assault (could have jailed him for that), except by restraining order.

She should have gotten a restraining order for starters. They are worthless, especially when the person getting it keeps letting the person back in their lives, or the other person keeps forcing their way back in their life. The State of Illinois arrests any party who breaks the restraining order.

After having gotten one, yes, she should have done something to protect herself, get away from him. She was young, may not have understood the seriousness of how these things can escalate. It isn't clear if she was still living in her family home or what here. Being 17, and a minor, one might think her parents could have done something, too.

34 posted on 02/18/2008 5:40:21 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Delta 21
I will not rely on the police to protect me or my family.

Having watched the New World Order take away Kosovo and give it to the Islamo-fascists and watching Jorge Bush's flagrant disregard to secure our borders from illegal alien criminals, I must conclude that only a fool continues to rely on government to protect himself, his family and the people he loves. A mature person knows he now must look to himself for his own survival.

36 posted on 02/18/2008 5:46:53 PM PST by E. Cartman (Huckaboob will never be Vice President.)
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To: L98Fiero

Can you tell me why they didn’t take her calls seriously, regardless of how many times she called? Two people are dead because of their failure to act.


37 posted on 02/18/2008 5:48:10 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: donna

I also wonder why the mother didn’t do anything. The first option would always be to send the girl to live with friends or relatives, but if she didn’t have that resource, I’m sure a battered women’s shelter would have taken the girl.

This kind of thing should always be taken seriously by friends and relatives.


38 posted on 02/18/2008 5:49:11 PM PST by speekinout
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To: ricks_place
When seconds count, police are only minutes away.

45 minutes to be exact.

39 posted on 02/18/2008 5:52:55 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Publius6961

Link to the JPFO Bookstore

40 posted on 02/18/2008 5:55:28 PM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: LibWhacker
Here's the ex-boyfriend/killer's myspace page:

Clay Kufner's Myspace

He updated it the day he killed her and himself. In reading the details, he clearly was a threat and very obsessed.

41 posted on 02/18/2008 5:56:05 PM PST by inflorida
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To: LibWhacker

The sad fact is, police would often rather handle drug busts because they are time consuming and safe.


42 posted on 02/18/2008 5:59:54 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: L98Fiero
That was so good it deserves posting again:

You berate the police regardless of what they do or don’t do. You cry about how they are “jack-boots”, then fully expect them to arrest anyone who gets a complaint via 911. If they had arrested this guy before he had committed a crime, you a$$-wipes would be bitching about that too. The police aren’t personal bodyguards.

God, you freaking barker-lounger bad-asses make me sick.

43 posted on 02/18/2008 6:00:14 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: sport

What cite is that?


44 posted on 02/18/2008 6:00:18 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: L98Fiero
She needed to, first: buy a gun and learn to use it.

Then she needed to press charges and/or get a restraining order. If the boyfriend hasn't broken any law, there is nothing the cops can OR SHOULD do.

45 posted on 02/18/2008 6:04:48 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
"...circa WWII."

Heroes like that don't exist anymore. Sad.

46 posted on 02/18/2008 6:05:12 PM PST by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: LibWhacker
Protect and Serve


47 posted on 02/18/2008 6:05:27 PM PST by montag813
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To: LdSentinal
Why didn?t the girl or her family get a restraining order?

Maybe for the same reasonHomocidal maniacs ignore Gun Free Zones signs.

Both are just worthless pieces of paper and neither will stop the criminalss.
48 posted on 02/18/2008 6:19:48 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: glasseye
Here is a young Constitutional scholar studying her Second Amendment protections. Her weapon is nicknamed "Restraining Order" and the bullets are nicknamed "911 Calls."


49 posted on 02/18/2008 6:25:13 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: RedMonqey

Don’t get me started...


50 posted on 02/18/2008 6:30:50 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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