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DUI bill dies, no doubt from embarrassment
Yakima Herald,com ^ | 2/15/08 | Yakima Herald Editorial Board (at link)

Posted on 02/18/2008 6:15:04 PM PST by elkfersupper

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Finally, some legislative body sort of sees the problem.
1 posted on 02/18/2008 6:15:05 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
It's not enough for the Soviet and Nazi courts that a defendant was found guilty. Everybody had to confess publically. A written confession just wouldn't do.

These yellow tags are sort of an equivalent.

2 posted on 02/18/2008 6:23:47 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
These yellow tags are sort of an equivalent.

And an example of the hysteria surrounding this subject.

3 posted on 02/18/2008 6:26:09 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
Other than the additional administrative costs of doing this, I don't think it's such a bad idea.

Look - there's a disgusting drunk who causes accidents and kills people!

4 posted on 02/18/2008 6:29:40 PM PST by Slump Tester (-What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Slump Tester

Drunk driving causes less deaths then people on cell phones.

John


5 posted on 02/18/2008 6:31:34 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Slump Tester

Wow. Public shaming works. Who’da thought it?


6 posted on 02/18/2008 6:31:46 PM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: Slump Tester
Look - there's a disgusting drunk who causes accidents and kills people!

And yet, the vast majority of DUIs involve neither accidents nor deaths. Many don't even involve "drunkenness," at least not how most adults understand it.

7 posted on 02/18/2008 6:33:00 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Diggity

“Drunk driving causes less deaths then people on cell phones.”

What are the statistics that back up your claim?


8 posted on 02/18/2008 6:33:56 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: elkfersupper

This was proposed in Virginia and thank goodness it’s dead.


9 posted on 02/18/2008 6:34:45 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: Xenalyte

“Wow. Public shaming works. Who’da thought it?”

Wow, time to go back to the scarlet A?


10 posted on 02/18/2008 6:35:53 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: Diggity

I’m agaiost the yellow plates, but I don’t believe this one unless you can pull up some real proof.


11 posted on 02/18/2008 6:36:43 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: elkfersupper

12 posted on 02/18/2008 6:36:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: gracesdad

I’d be in favor of that. But then, I’m someone who managed to stay non-pregnant before marriage, so I guess I’m biased.


13 posted on 02/18/2008 6:37:41 PM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: Slump Tester
Look - there's a disgusting drunk who causes accidents and kills people!

Where does it stop?

Look - there's a guy who talks on his phone while driving and kills people = blue license plate.

Look - there's a chick who puts on her makeup while driving and kills people = lavender license plate.

Look - there's a guy who yells at his kids while driving and kills people = red license plate.

And look, there's the wife of the guy who was drunk but stuck by him while he dried out because she believes in the sanctity of marriage and now has to drive a car with yellow license plates around even though she didn't do anything wrong.

14 posted on 02/18/2008 6:40:04 PM PST by mngran2
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To: elkfersupper
DUI bill dies,...

Thumbs up!
15 posted on 02/18/2008 6:42:06 PM PST by modican
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To: Xenalyte

“I’d be in favor of that. But then, I’m someone who managed to stay non-pregnant before marriage, so I guess I’m biased.”

Well, congratulations, so has everybody in my family and their spouses (although every single one I know of made love with the future spouse before marriage; well, maybe not my parents, although I can’t say for sure). What exactly does that have to do with with the scarlet A — adultery?


16 posted on 02/18/2008 6:43:58 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: gracesdad

Okay, so technically I’d put an F on fornicators, not an A. But “The Scarlet F,” you must admit, has far less cachet.


17 posted on 02/18/2008 6:45:48 PM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: narses

Drunk driving is listed way down the list for causes of accidents. Driver inattention is the number one reason. Everyone is on a cell phone these days.

You can got to the California Motor Vehicle site. I believe they have information on it their.

John


18 posted on 02/18/2008 6:48:24 PM PST by Diggity
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To: elkfersupper

Hey, a couple months ago, Fraudoire was getting all hot about starting “random” drunk driving checkpoint things.

That bright idea crashed and burned good! The legislature wouldn’t even consider it...


19 posted on 02/18/2008 6:49:12 PM PST by djf (I think McCain deserves a chance. After all, he is on R side!)
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To: mngran2
Where does it stop? How about here?
If it's good enough for a little kid, it's probably good enough for someone who drives drunk.
20 posted on 02/18/2008 6:49:17 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Diggity

PLEASE, I need that info!


21 posted on 02/18/2008 6:50:42 PM PST by sig229 (If you see a fork in the road, take it.)
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To: gracesdad

http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/05/07/20/the_6_most_common_causes_of_automobile_crashes.htm


22 posted on 02/18/2008 6:52:18 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Diggity
Drunk driving causes less deaths then people on cell phones.

Apples and oranges. That doesn't make an argument for drunk driving or against it, for lessening the punishments, or for prosecuting it any less vigorously. Cell phone related vehicular deaths should be prosecuted for their own negligence, not for their frequency compared to drunk driving. The only commonality is that both are 100% preventable.

23 posted on 02/18/2008 7:07:26 PM PST by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, it wasn't right for them - and it isn't right for US.)
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To: fortunecookie
Apples and oranges. That doesn't make an argument for drunk driving or against it, for lessening the punishments, or for prosecuting it any less vigorously.

Define "drunk".

24 posted on 02/18/2008 7:15:31 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: mngran2
Look- there's a guy thats been arrested for speeding and kills people = silver license plate

Look- there's a family on welfare...sucking the life out of everyone - Gold license plate

Look- there's a guy that’s a member of Free Republic and the vast right wing conspiracy = red-white-blue license plate......... *G*

25 posted on 02/18/2008 7:17:03 PM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: fortunecookie

Do you think that someone on a cell phone who kills someone should be punished less then someone who had been drinking?

Lost in the statistics are the people who had been drinking and hit by someone else who was not paying attention. I believe any accident with alcohol involved is listed that way whether or not that party was at fault.

Just another example of our government at work. Rather then spend time figuring out how to lower taxes and cutting out waste it chooses to grandstand to try and get support for more money spent on police which will be used for speed traps, swat teams etc.

John


26 posted on 02/18/2008 7:18:22 PM PST by Diggity
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To: elkfersupper

Bill “one for the road” Moyers had the same question lol.

People who be surprised how little you have to drink to fail that test. I believe 2 beers in one hour will cause you to flunk.

Tons of people go out with their kids to the local pizza place and have a couple of beers or a glass of wine and are legally drunk but have no idea of it.

John


27 posted on 02/18/2008 7:21:21 PM PST by Diggity
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To: M-cubed

Yeah, have one with a dunce hat on it if you voted democratic. LOL

John


28 posted on 02/18/2008 7:24:52 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Diggity; elkfersupper
From the linked article"

"3. Drunk Driving

In 2004, an estimated 16,654 people were killed in alcohol-related crashes, according to NHTSA. This is an average of one death almost every half-hour. Drunk drivers were responsible for 30 percent of all fatal crashes during the week in 2003, but this percentage rose significantly over the weekends, during which 53 percent of fatal crashes were alcohol-related."

...and you guys have the gall to defend that?

29 posted on 02/18/2008 7:29:53 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: elkfersupper

You...


30 posted on 02/18/2008 7:33:27 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Diggity

One of the benefits of being an illegal. No license, no registration, no insurance, no real ID.


31 posted on 02/18/2008 7:33:34 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagon)
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To: elkfersupper
Senate Bill 6402 would have required people convicted of a DUI infraction to put fluorescent-yellow license plates on their cars

A better idea would be to require all Libs to put fluorescent-yellow license plates on their cars and a fluorescent-yellow scarf around their friggin necks.

32 posted on 02/18/2008 7:37:04 PM PST by Babu (I pledge that no vote shall ever be cast by moi for Juan McCucaracha)
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“Okay, so technically I’d put an F on fornicators, not an A. But “The Scarlet F,” you must admit, has far less cachet.”

Guess I’m a fornicator. Doesn’t matter to me. We’ve been married for almost 29 years now.


33 posted on 02/18/2008 7:37:15 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: elkfersupper
Yes, that is the argument. The law sets a limit. We may chose to argue with it, disagree, disregard, fight to change it. Reading the accounts, or knowing the details first hand (sadly), of accidents with fatalities, the levels measured and reported at the scene exceed by no small amount the .08 level or the former .10 level. Define it? Impairment. Beyond levels measured to be acceptable for carrying out of regular activities like driving, working, talking, walking without serious impairment. Slurred speech, loss of balance, reduced inhibitions, confusion. We can argue semantics all night. But for some, they continue to drink beyond what is known to be safe regarding impairment, and subsequent drinks further impair that judgement, and then get in the car and think they can drive. Does someone texting while driving or applying makeup while driving experience similar impairment? Yes.
34 posted on 02/18/2008 7:43:27 PM PST by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, it wasn't right for them - and it isn't right for US.)
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Look - there's a disgusting drunk who causes accidents and kills people! Well it's a dumb idea for many reasons and your statement illustrates one of them. The fact is that many "drunk drivers" were not swerving on the road, causing accidents and killing people. Many of them had the misfortune to run into a roadblock after having had a couple of drinks. They weren't anymore of a menace than somebody changing the station on the radio or yakking on a cellphone but because they gave an honest answer to the cop at the roadblock, they got pulled in for a DUI.

Here is some advice for anybody having a glass of wine at dinner or a beer. If you are stopped at a roadblock and a policeman asks you if you have been drinking, say no. As soon as you admit you even had one drink, the policeman is required to pull you out of the car for a sobriety test and even if you pass it with flying colors, they are still obligated to bring you in under the lesser charge (but still serious) of OUI and have your car towed for the "public safety" out of fear that if they let you go, the department might get a lawsuit if you have an accident later on - even if it has nothing to do with the drink you had.

In today's political charged climate, only a complete teetotaler is immune from getting a DUI. Having just one drink puts you at risk of a DUI or OUI and as a result, you are lumped in with those crazy drunks who blow .20 and drive themselves into trees.

35 posted on 02/18/2008 7:59:50 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 8 days away from outliving Junkyard Dog)
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To: Diggity
Negligent vehicular homicide is homicide. I think by saying apples and oranges, I was pointing out that there should be no 'comparison'. Of course someone texting or talking and causing an accident should be prosecuted. Someone who had been drinking (and I might add not impaired) and then hit by someone not paying attention, their having had something to drink is irrelevant to the fact they were hit by someone else. I'm not sure I agree that any accident with alcohol is always listed that way. Impairment, it's measurable and definable and something each of us should take our own responsibility for. And that goes for cell phone use, and other distractions while driving. But if one can stop oneself from being impaired, shouldn't one try? Whether that means having 2 drinks after work instead of several, or muting the cell phone or pulling off to answer it, isn't that a better way?

I've heard the argument from someone who says he can drink twice as much as someone else before he 'feels' impairment. Often his speech is slurred while he is making this argument. I've witnessed a neighbor rear end a car because she was texting. All preventable.

I agree there is goverment waste and grandstanding and special interests and that is a waste.

36 posted on 02/18/2008 8:01:41 PM PST by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, it wasn't right for them - and it isn't right for US.)
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And yet, the vast majority of DUIs involve neither accidents nor deaths. Many don't even involve "drunkenness," at least not how most adults understand it.

Revenooers...

37 posted on 02/18/2008 8:04:22 PM PST by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: TXnMA
"Alcohol-related?"
38 posted on 02/18/2008 8:10:49 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: elkfersupper

There’s already a similar law in Ohio. Bright yellow plates with red lettering. I know somebody who put magnets on their original plates and stuck them over top when they were parked at work to avoid getting humiliated and possibly fired.


39 posted on 02/18/2008 8:13:29 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: TXnMA
an estimated 16,654 people were killed...... 53 percent of fatal crashes were alcohol-related

..from Texas Piney Woods -- back home in God's Country...

So you better drive careful, I know these Texas woods, late at night, no choice but to drive home after a few drinks with some Friends next town over.
And don't be too scared of statistical numbers, they don't tell always the whole story.
There are ~30000 Suicides per year in the USA. You don't want to add 16654 to that number.
40 posted on 02/18/2008 8:16:07 PM PST by modican
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To: fortunecookie

My whole point in this thread is that drunk driving is make out to be the most serious thing on the road when in actuality it is involved in only a minority of the fatal crashes.

I feel alcohol laws are politically motivated because the incidence of it in fatal crashes doesn’t call for the punishment to be so much worst then other causes.

What better type issue out there for the government to get more control? They can raise taxes to spend more on the Police and their special teams, they can fine the offenders tons. They can make money off the driving schools. Plus the politicians get to look like they care about the public and get votes from it.

John


41 posted on 02/18/2008 8:17:51 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Diggity
My whole point in this thread is that drunk driving is make out to be the most serious thing on the road when in actuality it is involved in only a minority of the fatal crashes.

A minority? I'd like to see data on that, but I think what makes it seem more serious is that it is preventable. Whether or not there are fatalities, impaired people just should never have been behind the wheel. There are some causes that are avoidable, others not. How many of the other crashes involved factors not preventable? Alcohol laws are politically motivated, like many other rules and laws. Right or wrong. I agree, for some politicians, it's win-win, they look good and have little to do with it, but pat themselves on the back and take the approvals. But where do we draw the line? Sure, the .09 level driver might be fine, or maybe not, but the repeat offender who doesn't stop till he tops .20 and has multiple offenses is quite another. And that is preventable.

42 posted on 02/18/2008 8:40:20 PM PST by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, it wasn't right for them - and it isn't right for US.)
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There’s already a similar law in Ohio. Bright yellow plates with red lettering

They are the same color that New Mexico (or maybe Arizona) plates were for a while. Visitors from that state got extra scrutiny until the cops got close enough to see they weren't Ohio drunk plates.

43 posted on 02/18/2008 8:41:27 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Rattenschadenfreude: joy at a Democrat's pain, especially Hillary's pain caused by Obama.)
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To: SamAdams76
It's REAL simple - If you drink, don't drive. Duh!

I have NO sympathy whatsoever for anyone who gets a DUI. I don't care if it's 2 or 3 beers or 2 cases, get them off the road.

44 posted on 02/18/2008 9:29:16 PM PST by Slump Tester (-What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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Sure would be interesting to see those flourescent yellow plates in the parking lot of your local pub though ... wouldn’t it.

And that was the point.


45 posted on 02/19/2008 6:50:47 AM PST by RainMan
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To: Trailerpark Badass; elkfersupper; Diggity
"getMADD.com"...

No intelligent person is going to give ANY credibility to a website created and maintained by drunks trying to excuse their own selfish, "me first", sociopathic, homicidal behavior.

Give it up. I know first-hand the dangers and terrors of drinking and driving. Both of my parents were alcoholics. You drunks will get ZERO sympathy or accommodation from me.

46 posted on 02/19/2008 6:59:20 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: fortunecookie
"A minority? I'd like to see data on that,..."

See stats in post # 29.

Less than a majority (30%) during the week -- but a clear majority (53%) on the weekend.

All of which, as you point out, are totally preventable.

47 posted on 02/19/2008 7:09:18 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: fortunecookie

30% is a minority.

John


48 posted on 02/19/2008 7:57:00 AM PST by Diggity
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...and you guys have the gall to defend that?

It still comes out to somewhere under 40% overall. Statistically speaking, then, over 60% of fatalies are caused by sober drivers, making sobriety a bigger problem. Maybe we should be fighting sobriety instead...? :-)

But really... this license plate idea was wrong. IT's NOT THE CAR that broke the law, and it's not always the drunk that drives that car. Dumb idea.

The problem is simple: We're expecting people to make good judgments, but we also know that drinking affects judgment. We're relying on people to make good choices who are sometimes ~incapable~ of doing so. Of course, no drunk ever thinks he's going to crash or get caught "this time".

It's not the driving part that is the problem, it's the drinking part. It'll continue to be a problem as long as bars have parking lots.

Why not attack it from the drinking side of the problem? After a DUI, ban that person from buying or consuming alcohol in public for some amount of time. Say, a year for a first offense, five years for a second... whatever... some amount of time. Issue them a new license that indicates (color?) that they are no longer trusted to buy alcohol. They have, by their actions, reverted to the status of a "minor".

I would guess (don't have stats on hand, but I think its a good guess) that the biggest part of the worst DUI's come from people hanging out as regulars in their local bar, having too many, and driving home. This would stop that. The local PD could even be sending out a list of names to bars and convenience stores and such, of people that are restricted. That way... bartenders know who they can't sell to anymore. Maybe they'll find a way to get somebody else to buy them booze and sneak it home and get drunk there. Well... first of all they aren't on the road like they were. It's already a smaller problem.

I think it would work better. I think a drunk would fear the loss of the drink more than the loss of a license. Furthermore... taking away somebody's car and license, even when they're sober, just makes the problem worse. They'll just drive w/o the license, and they'll eventually get busted for that. They'll lose a job and begin that downhill spiral into worse and worse behavior. Again... if they're driving sober they're not the problem. Attack the drink, not the car.

My .02

49 posted on 02/19/2008 8:30:33 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: TXnMA

I don’t even drink. I just know a government extortion scam when I see one.

John


50 posted on 02/19/2008 8:38:27 AM PST by Diggity
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