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Reno wows crowd ("My mother told me: 'Truth Is A Very Elusive target'")
The Daily Utah Chronicle ^ | 2/13/08 | Dustin Gardiner

Posted on 02/18/2008 6:41:57 PM PST by presidio9

Former Attorney General Janet Reno said the U.S. government must be careful to avoid selectively using facts when prosecuting suspected terrorists.

Reno, who served as attorney general under President Bill Clinton, said prosecutors often allow prejudices to skew their use of facts.

"But what I've discovered (from being a prosecutor and attorney general) is that we get tunnel vision," Reno said. "We want the facts to be something and we wish them into being."

Reno made her comments while speaking to an audience of mostly students and professors at the S.J. Quinney College of Law on Tuesday. Her speech focused on the role technology plays in helping prosecute terrorists and the attention prosecutors should give to facts.

Reno did not specifically name members of the Bush administration or the Department of Justice, but criticized their practices in general.

"We have obscured that truth with other overlays that don't lead to the truth, but lead to murky prosecutions and to intelligence efforts that should be headed in another direction," she said.

Reno specifically spoke out against waterboarding, an interrogation technique where water is poured over the face of a detainee to evoke a drowning sensation. Lawmakers and others have criticized the George W. Bush administration for waterboarding several suspected terrorists.

Before denouncing the practice, Reno reiterated that decisions must be made by applying the law to the facts.

"With that understood, I am opposed to torture, I am opposed to waterboarding, and if I were reviewing the facts I would make sure that I understood what people were talking about when they said waterboarding," she said. "Because here is an example of where people can get into trouble by misstating the facts, confusing the facts."

Martin Stolz, a first-year law student, said he thinks the Bush administration has abused the facts.

"I think that our current administration has fallen prey precisely to the danger Janet Reno spoke of," he said.

The real danger is that these murky prosecutions undermine the confidence we have in the rule of law and the trust other nations have in the United States, Stolz said.

To avoid misusing the facts, Reno said prosecutors must engage in "good, hard self-searching" and pay particular attention to nuances in language, which she said can change meaning drastically.

"Facts can produce so many answers if we search hard enough for them, but too often we don't, and too often, even having searched, we do not apply the law to the facts as we should," she said. "These are small items, but they make a tremendous difference when you're sitting there having to make the decision of arrest or not arrest, of file charges or not file charges."

Reno said the key to fighting terrorism on an international level is collaboration. She repeatedly praised the law school's collaborative efforts.

"Unless we start adding collaboration like I've seen here today, were not going to be successful in fighting terrorism," she said. "Collaboration is the name of the game."

Reno said the United States must work with other nations to fight terrorism because there are too many variables of terrorism that the U.S. government has not dealt with directly.

Reno concluded her speech by talking about the challenge of finding truth, a lesson she learned from her father who worked as a crime reporter for the Miami Herald.

"My mother once told me truth is elusive," she said. "And it is a very elusive target."


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: babykiller; butcher; butcherofwaco; clintonistas; doj; janetreno; janetrenodanceparty; janetsterno; thatsamanbaby; waco
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1 posted on 02/18/2008 6:42:00 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Truth is indeed a very elusive target, but with enough persistence and determination, it can nevertheless be exterminated utterly.


2 posted on 02/18/2008 6:43:41 PM PST by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: presidio9
WACO
3 posted on 02/18/2008 6:44:39 PM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! ALLLLLWAYS!)
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To: presidio9
We want the facts to be something and we wish them into being.

Only a liberal could say that.

4 posted on 02/18/2008 6:45:45 PM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: presidio9

Wasn’t she Bill Clintons private attorney while he was int he White House. Hahaha.


5 posted on 02/18/2008 6:46:07 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: presidio9
My mother told me...

Ah, yes, Janet Reno's mother. A very influential figure in her life. Someone once told me that she smoked cigars and wrestled alligators.

6 posted on 02/18/2008 6:47:04 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: presidio9
Janet Reno's America:

7 posted on 02/18/2008 6:47:04 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: presidio9

I could have gone through the rest of my life without ever hearing or seeing that name again....

GAG to the max. Wonder how Elian Gonzalez is doing now...

Wonder if the families of the WACO victims have tried to sue that witch.


8 posted on 02/18/2008 6:47:12 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Locomotive Breath

as the youth say, “If you aren’t angry, then you aren’t paying attention.”


9 posted on 02/18/2008 6:47:44 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: presidio9

Oh, ain’t she special?


10 posted on 02/18/2008 6:47:46 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: presidio9
Reno specifically spoke out against waterboarding

What were her thoughts on burning people to death?

11 posted on 02/18/2008 6:48:09 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: presidio9

Truth was she should have brought ESPIONAGE charges against several people in the Clinton Administration but she lacked the intellectual honesty to do it. She should hide her face from public view forever.


12 posted on 02/18/2008 6:48:36 PM PST by Rapscallion (I would rather eat rotten meat than ingratiate myself with liberals.)
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To: presidio9
Boy that Bubba and SHRILLARY! sure nominated some freakin beasts to top cabinet positions.

Between this bigfoot, dyke drunk, Mad Halfbright and Donna Shalala I sometimes wondered if some aliens had landed and gotten loose with an ugly stick.

13 posted on 02/18/2008 6:49:41 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: presidio9

I wish Elian Gonzales was a little more elusive as Reno’s “truth”. He’d be free today.

As time passes, it becomes more apparent how utterly despicable the people in the CLinton administration were.

And still are.


14 posted on 02/18/2008 6:50:15 PM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I could have gone through the rest of my life without ever hearing or seeing that name again....

no freaking kidding. What, is hillary calling in all her favors? whose idea was it to surface this animal again?

15 posted on 02/18/2008 6:51:08 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: presidio9

Another Reno victim:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terror/

In “The Child Terror,” FRONTLINE correspondent Peter J. Boyer travels to Dade County, Florida to explore the impassioned roots and controversial consequences of the nation’s 15-year legal battle against child sexual abuse. During the 1980s, Miami became ground zero in the crusade to prosecute child molesters. Many high-profile cases were prosecuted by the office of then-chief prosecutor Janet Reno who pioneered a national effort to bring child molesters to justice. Now, however, some of these cases are unraveling. In this report, FRONTLINE deconstructs two of the them, probing what went wrong.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/terror/cases/fijnje.html

Miami prosecutors charged the 14 year-old boy with sexually molesting a group of children he baby-sat at church. He was held in the Miami Juvenile Detention Center for two years, refused the State’s offer of a plea bargain, and finally went to trial. The jury acquitted him on all charges in May 1991.

In this letter, the jurors explain to Janet Reno why her office failed to make a convincing case.


16 posted on 02/18/2008 6:51:50 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: presidio9
Waterboarding is bad, but this is OK:


17 posted on 02/18/2008 6:51:59 PM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: presidio9
"but criticized their practices in general."

Just another member of the Zoo they called the Clinton Cabinet.

Not to defend all of W's appointments but, at least, Waco didn't happen again.

18 posted on 02/18/2008 6:52:13 PM PST by TCats (The Clintons Are Not Just Wrong - They Are Certifiable AND Dangerous! See my Page)
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To: presidio9
'Truth Is A Very Elusive target'

Yeah Janet, you evil drunken lesbian political hack, but the many children you murdered here in the USA were not elusive enough.


19 posted on 02/18/2008 6:53:44 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Ah, yes, Janet Reno's mother. A very influential figure in her life. Someone once told me that she smoked cigars and wrestled alligators.

So Janet really is a more feminine version of her female role model. Well!

20 posted on 02/18/2008 6:55:05 PM PST by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, it wasn't right for them - and it isn't right for US.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Gorelick, Gorelick, Gorelick
Frau Blucher, Frau Blucher, Frau Blucher

Should provoke approximately the same response.

It’s thought that Gorelick might be Hillary’s AG.
But all y’all McCain haters sit home on election day.
(I don’t like him either but he damn sure won’t appoint Gorelick AG.)


21 posted on 02/18/2008 6:55:13 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: presidio9
"But what I've discovered (from being a prosecutor and attorney general) is that we get tunnel vision," Reno said. "We want the facts to be something and we wish them into being."

Or wish them out of being. In 8 years of being AG, how many times did she say "I can't comment on an ongoing investigation"?

22 posted on 02/18/2008 6:55:18 PM PST by OCC
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To: FormerACLUmember

“evil drunken lesbian political hack”

Bump that!


23 posted on 02/18/2008 6:56:36 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: presidio9

I am sure we have had many corrupt Attorney Generals but I would bet she was the most corrupt ever.


24 posted on 02/18/2008 6:57:09 PM PST by yarddog (`)
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To: FormerACLUmember; All
the clintons are parading their ghosts. I expect them all to be as successful as bill himself has been: in other words, the world will no longer be able to deny, now that time has cleared the fog, how sick and miserable that despicable, arrogant, power-drunk band of white trash neo-nazis really was.

C'mon, Janet! Go to Steubenville!

25 posted on 02/18/2008 6:58:31 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: presidio9

Janet Reno’s Dance Party (SNL skit)

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1883614042


26 posted on 02/18/2008 6:58:47 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: presidio9

27 posted on 02/18/2008 7:01:47 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: presidio9

She was a iron-fisted commie yes-man for all of the dirty work the Clinton Family needed carried out.
This B*%$@! will rot in hell.
I had better stop before I tell you how I really feel.


28 posted on 02/18/2008 7:01:57 PM PST by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: dynachrome
“evil drunken lesbian political hack”

My brother worked at the restaurant closest to the overgrown jungle RenoThing calls home. She was drunk and belligerent on many a night. It was tough, because she was also the crooked local District Attorney (Dade County, Florida).

29 posted on 02/18/2008 7:02:10 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: presidio9

Is there a FR Reno rule like the Helen Thomas rule?


30 posted on 02/18/2008 7:03:32 PM PST by 50mm (Sleep is sooooo overrated. Yawn. ZZZZZZZZ. Snort. Snort. ZZZZZZZZ.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

I hadn’t thought about anything quite that horrible, but that seems all too likely, should Hillary make her way in.

I’ve never considered sitting out this Fall, FYI.


31 posted on 02/18/2008 7:06:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I never click on video links, but I made an exception. The only way to deal w/Reno without getting really mad is through satire.


32 posted on 02/18/2008 7:06:55 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: bannie

Gas the little children then walk away. This woman will burn in hell like those kids burned.


33 posted on 02/18/2008 7:08:29 PM PST by Loud Mime ("Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not")
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To: presidio9
Janet Reno's Child Abuse.
34 posted on 02/18/2008 7:08:43 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
She was drunk and belligerent on many a night. It was tough, because she was also the crooked local District Attorney (Dade County, Florida).

florida is but misty reflection of reno's soul.

even looking a bill clintons demented mug hasn't brought me back to the dismal air of that time like the name "Reno" and all it conjures up.

35 posted on 02/18/2008 7:09:24 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: presidio9

“With that understood, I am opposed to torture, I am opposed to waterboarding,” said Reno. “Now, burning little kids alive in their own home just so my gun boys can have a little fun — that, I have no problem with.”


36 posted on 02/18/2008 7:10:49 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: FormerACLUmember; Malone LaVeigh

can you two do us all a favor and source your pictures?


37 posted on 02/18/2008 7:11:20 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
the juvenile justice system in Florida is corrupt and wicked systemically (a friend's site). Now i know why.

One has to wonder what motivated the religious zeal with which Reno's tortured psyche created and convicted "child molesters."

38 posted on 02/18/2008 7:14:40 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: presidio9

The clintons knew that they needed a dirty cop. She was perfect for the job.


39 posted on 02/18/2008 7:16:01 PM PST by bannie (clintons CHEAT! ALLLLLWAYS!)
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To: presidio9

“Former Attorney General Janet Reno said the U.S. government must be careful to avoid selectively using facts when prosecuting suspected terrorists.”

If only she could be shown pictures of the children of the terrorists, then she’d be in favor of fire-bombing them.


40 posted on 02/18/2008 7:18:08 PM PST by Grunthor (McCain voters believe that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Still shot from the documentary: “Waco: A New Revelation”

http://www.getwaco.com


41 posted on 02/18/2008 7:21:16 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Ah, yes, Janet Reno's mother. A very influential figure in her life. Someone once told me that she smoked cigars and wrestled alligators.

Nooo, she wrestled cigars and smoked alligators.

Yeah, that's it.
42 posted on 02/18/2008 7:22:39 PM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: presidio9

Reno:” Bill Clinton demanded that I follow HIS facts and HIS law, and I was happy to oblige, because I was a doddering fool and a blithering idiot.”


43 posted on 02/18/2008 7:23:40 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Locomotive Breath
(I don’t like him either but he damn sure won’t appoint Gorelick AG.)

What makes you so sure?

44 posted on 02/18/2008 7:24:36 PM PST by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

The interview with the young man is very compelling. There is a special place in hell for Janet Reno...


45 posted on 02/18/2008 7:25:27 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Still shot from the documentary: “Waco: A New Revelation” http://www.getwaco.com

those are good reviews. they need to tune up their site a bit. I couldn't get to the "picture gallery."

***

This whole thing is very disturbing all over again. It's like the 90's were a very bad dream.

46 posted on 02/18/2008 7:27:06 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: presidio9

back into your hole, Janet Reno.


47 posted on 02/18/2008 7:29:32 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: bannie

She should have already been executed for the deaths of the 74 human beings; 53 men and women, and 21 children under the age of 16, who were murdered by the government forces operating under her authority in the inferno at Waco on April 19, 1993.

Her very existence is a disgusting travesty of justice.


48 posted on 02/18/2008 7:33:33 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: RoadKingSE

John McCain has a problem with authority figures. He apparently likes to piss them off just on general principle. For the last eight years that’s been Bush.

If he gets to be President, and the Dems still control Congress, he sure as hell isn’t going to appoint an AG that the Dems like. Just to piss them off.


49 posted on 02/18/2008 7:34:26 PM PST by Locomotive Breath
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To: presidio9
"Former Attorney General Janet Reno said the U.S. government must be careful to avoid selectively using facts when prosecuting suspected terrorists."

I quite agree. Attract them to Iraq and shoot them there.

50 posted on 02/18/2008 7:36:40 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (I'm a Maverick Republican: I'll oppose the Party Nominee if I want to, and you have to like it!)
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