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DC v. Heller - Montana prepares to secede
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Posted on 02/19/2008 7:35:11 PM PST by djf

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To: Redmen4ever

If Obama is elected, we all should secede.

*****

Also Hillary is enough for the country to secede!

These characters have hijacked the constitution by subduing capitalism

you folks should listen to Mark tell how they did it!

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101 posted on 02/19/2008 11:04:14 PM PST by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts! Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name?)
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To: djf
Thanks for the post. A toast to Montana and the wise men and women who decided to negotiate with the US federal government and choose to use plain language in their State Constitution!
102 posted on 02/19/2008 11:07:31 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: djf

Nothing succeeds like secession....


103 posted on 02/19/2008 11:10:48 PM PST by tracer
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To: tracer
Quick!!

Name three cities or towns in Montana.

Not as easy as you think.

Better yet, as your child to point out Montana on a US map.

Why are we discussing Montana at all?

BTW, I would love to go there to see the mountains, streams and some fishing.

104 posted on 02/19/2008 11:19:08 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: ASOC

My hubby, the former Alaskan, says that Alaska has a secession season, like Korea (or Berkeley) has riot season. LOL!


105 posted on 02/19/2008 11:24:52 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: DBrow
Well, just my own personal guess, but Alaska might just kick in on this idea. Is Alaska big enough?
106 posted on 02/19/2008 11:26:53 PM PST by ArmyTeach ("We have given you a Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: Inyo-Mono

I love Inyo and Mono Counties. I worked in Independence on murder cases years ago when the defendants were found guilty and got the death sentence. Rose Bird (rip) reversed on appeal. Been to Death Valley many times and Scotty’s Mansion (not really his mansion, but another story there).

I only find one thing incorrect in your profile page. Mt. Whitney was not the tallest mountain in the West. Go north about ten miles and you will find White Mountain. Some bureaucratic idiots were shoveling dirt and rocks off of White Mountain to make Mt. Whitney the taller of the two. “Why?” you might ask. Who the heck knows.

Met a nice lady a little north of Independence (County Seat in Inyo). She was there for 80 or 90 years. She wouldn’t sell her water rights, along with about 20 other families, to LA in the early days of So.Cal. She still had a two-inch pipe with the most fabulous water in her home from a stream that came off a mountain. And it was all for free, except the usual maintenance of old pipes.

Do you know the story about the man who walked through Death Valley in the summer months and FROZE to death? Quite an interesting place.


107 posted on 02/19/2008 11:27:54 PM PST by Slip18
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To: Ancesthntr

IOW, make Montana into Switzerland!


108 posted on 02/19/2008 11:29:58 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: AGreatPer
Name three cities or towns in Montana.

Billings
Great Falls
Glendive...

Want more?! (Ok...I was born there.)

109 posted on 02/19/2008 11:33:06 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: All

When I first saw this a little while ago I got distraught.


110 posted on 02/19/2008 11:36:40 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Tamar1973

Just wondering, do you know anything about Wisdom, Mont.


111 posted on 02/19/2008 11:56:33 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: djf
The court must decide in Heller whether the Second Amendment secures a right for individuals to keep and bear arms or merely grants states the power to arm their militias, the National Guard.

The National Guard is not a militia in the usage of the Constitution. Although articles on the history of the National Guard say that it has been around for 370 years, it did not, as an organization, exist at the time the Constitution was written.
The term 'National Guard' was first adopted by a New York militia unit in 1825 to honor the Marquis de Lafayette, hero of the American Revolution and former commander of the Guarde Nationale de Paris during the French Revolution.
And although individual states' militias may have been transformed into more independent, self-perpetuating organizations receiving state funding that were later known as the "National Guard", it doesn't follow that that is what the Constitution is referring to as the "militia" because the Constitution was written before any such later developments.
112 posted on 02/20/2008 12:01:39 AM PST by aruanan
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To: FR Class of 1998
“I think the feds would use force if necessary to stop a secession.”

Yea, I can see the Feds now, surrounding Montana and using a bullhorn telling them to “Put down your guns and come out!”

113 posted on 02/20/2008 12:08:35 AM PST by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: GOP_Raider
I'm more of an Idaho guy myself...

And here I thought they shared a long border...
114 posted on 02/20/2008 12:31:18 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Rennes Templar
"New double-wide at 100k, 100 acres at 10K per acre, so around $1.1 million, at least where I live." What! 10K per acre? I thought it was something like $.50 to a $1 an acre out there? Damn! All I could afford would be 5 acres with a double wide!
115 posted on 02/20/2008 3:20:28 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: Bear_Slayer
Agreed, the black robe ruling wont initially do much, but the stage will be set for future [ie lifelong] battles to chip away at the laws in place.

I hope the filings are ready to go when the gavel drops. If not, the libs will certainly counter attack and regain the initiative...

LFOD...

116 posted on 02/20/2008 5:05:04 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Vote for Principle to inspire Conservatives to service...LFOD...)
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To: wastedyears
why distraught? this is a small sign that the sleeping giant might be starting to wake up...

LFOD...

117 posted on 02/20/2008 5:13:21 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Vote for Principle to inspire Conservatives to service...LFOD...)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

That won’t last long. The west is drying up. A few more years of this and the population will drop in a BIG way.


118 posted on 02/20/2008 5:40:00 AM PST by ScratInTheHat (Don't like my immigration stance? I'm dyslexic. PC keeps sounding like BS to me!)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
We live in interesting times.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

119 posted on 02/20/2008 5:40:52 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: coloradan; Joe Brower

WAY too cold for me!


120 posted on 02/20/2008 5:48:16 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: RobinOfKingston
More like a Catch .223.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

121 posted on 02/20/2008 5:50:34 AM PST by wku man (BLOAT while you can...)
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To: grey_whiskers

Yep. If North Dakota would pull with Montana, together we’d be the world’s third largest nuclear power.


122 posted on 02/20/2008 5:51:19 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: djf
I would think that people all over might get a little disturbed if they were watching CNN and saw the federal government launching RPG’s at the Montana State capitol.

They would, but CNN would never show it. They'd be off about what Lindsey Lohan, or Brittany, or one of those were up to. Important stuff, ya know...

123 posted on 02/20/2008 6:10:55 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: djf

If this happened, it would be an effortless Free State Project.


124 posted on 02/20/2008 6:14:02 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (I wish my old tagline could have defeated even more RINOs than it did.)
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To: Travis McGee

I think your contingency of pushing off shore is as good as anyone’s. However, my point in pinging you was to alert you that the ante was being raised in this case.


125 posted on 02/20/2008 6:15:41 AM PST by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: djf
Movin' to Montana soon,........

Frank Zappa was clearly ahead of his time on that one.

126 posted on 02/20/2008 6:17:52 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Tamar1973

I’ve got 20 acres near Bozeman, gotta go there


127 posted on 02/20/2008 6:19:09 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: djf

The Heller case hinges on whether a state or D.C. can prohibit firearm ownership. In short, regulate it. If a state can prohibit ownership, then it can also protect ownership. So instead of seceding, why not just pass laws protecting handgun ownership or amend your state constitution to protect it? Duh!


128 posted on 02/20/2008 6:19:35 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: DBrow
But is it big enough?

In 1860, James Petigru said that South Carolina was too small to be a country, and too large to be an insane asylum. The same can probably be said of Montana.

129 posted on 02/20/2008 6:20:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: BlueDragon

You crack me up. What the hell was that song really about anyway? Or was that old hippy Frank Zappa just hopped up on something? Weird guy to say the least


130 posted on 02/20/2008 6:20:48 AM PST by SaintDismas (.)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

Thank you!


131 posted on 02/20/2008 6:32:56 AM PST by Enterprise ((Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!))
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To: RTO
Its no different than anywhere else. Unless you want to live in one of the resort areas. No Sales Tax. A Little higher Prop Taxes and very punitive small business taxes.
132 posted on 02/20/2008 6:34:38 AM PST by Montana4Jesus
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To: djf
The Supreme Court is notoriously wishy-washy on important issues.

I am certain that the deliberation that takes place on this case will not center around whether or not the DC ban is Constitutional, but how they can make a decision that is as confined as possible, and maintains the status-quo.

133 posted on 02/20/2008 6:35:33 AM PST by Washi (Support the country you live in, or go live in the country you support.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Just keep thinking that and just stay at home.


134 posted on 02/20/2008 6:36:57 AM PST by Montana4Jesus
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To: Non-Sequitur

The natural order of government is to prohibit tools of freedom. Leaving the issue of prohibition/protection up to the legislature is to subject a natural right to the whims of those who would rather you not have it. The whole point of a “bill of rights” is to pointedly tell the government “hands off - it’s not yours to control in either direction”.


135 posted on 02/20/2008 6:38:00 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: ctdonath2
The natural order of government is to prohibit tools of freedom. Leaving the issue of prohibition/protection up to the legislature is to subject a natural right to the whims of those who would rather you not have it. The whole point of a “bill of rights” is to pointedly tell the government “hands off - it’s not yours to control in either direction”.

And seceding would solve this how?

136 posted on 02/20/2008 6:39:42 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Is the population of Montana large enough, to qualify as a state?


137 posted on 02/20/2008 6:39:46 AM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: FR Class of 1998
When Montana and the United States entered into this bilateral contract in 1889, the U.S. approved the right to bear arms in the Montana Constitution, guaranteeing the right of "any person" to bear arms, clearly an individual right.

Guessing you don't read so good.

L

138 posted on 02/20/2008 6:40:40 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lurker

Guessing you read no farther in the thread before that response.


139 posted on 02/20/2008 6:42:10 AM PST by FR Class of 1998 (the long term solution to corruption is to starve the government of money)
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To: Slip18

I’ve lived in Montana for 8 years now, and though I love the beauty of the place, there are things I miss about the desert of So Cal — except for the illeals and the liberals.


140 posted on 02/20/2008 6:52:47 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: P8riot

Gonna be a dentist or something?


141 posted on 02/20/2008 6:55:18 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: RTO

I did a real estate search there about a year or so ago. The property seemed as bit expensive.


142 posted on 02/20/2008 6:56:16 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: coloradan
I used to see a bumper sticker in South Carolina:

"If first you don't secede, try try again."


143 posted on 02/20/2008 6:56:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: P8riot
I had to look at the lyrics of that song again.

For some reason I was thinking the lyrics was about moving to montana and becoming a dentist.

144 posted on 02/20/2008 6:58:49 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Gonna be a dental floss tycoon


145 posted on 02/20/2008 7:13:50 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Tamar1973

My 3 favorites are Sidney, Bozeman & Missoula (in that order, and for various reasons) ... and I was NOT born there, nor have I lived there.


146 posted on 02/20/2008 7:14:20 AM PST by RainMan
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To: Jim Robinson

...next addition to my mp3 player.

thanks for reminding me of that song!


147 posted on 02/20/2008 7:19:34 AM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

It would be even worse. Montana as a Territory would be subject to Federal govern ship and the use of Federal troops to control the territory. It could instantly be put under martial law (not likely but not out of the legal realm)All residents of the territory could claim sovereign citizenship but the corporation of the US would “own” the land (and BTW the water under the land). It would be a real popcorn event to see that play out. However, the Supremes will not go there since it opens to many other cans of worms. There also id the “equal footing doctrine” to deal with. Texas could have similar claims.


148 posted on 02/20/2008 7:21:50 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: AGreatPer

Helena, Bozeman, Billings, Butte, Mizzoula.

I’ve been through Montana several times now (having moved to Seattle from the East and out to Iowa from Seattle, including a road trip.)

In a way, I was surprised by the towns there. A lot bigger than I would have guessed, though not huge and with the parks there are little way stations of civilization throughout much of Montana.

And absolutely beautiful scenery. Must be absolute hell in winter, though, if Iowa is any indication.


149 posted on 02/20/2008 7:23:06 AM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Redcloak
Thanks for the link - sent it out far and wide -

Carolyn

150 posted on 02/20/2008 7:30:33 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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