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DC v. Heller - Montana prepares to secede
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Posted on 02/19/2008 7:35:11 PM PST by djf

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To: Non-Sequitur
And seceding would solve this how?

Well, our Founding Fathers apparently thought it was a good idea.

151 posted on 02/20/2008 7:30:45 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: patton

Hey! There’s another out!


152 posted on 02/20/2008 7:36:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: BuffaloJack

If thirty-three states call for a Convention, they could scrap the federal government and start over from scratch.

Which states signed on to the pro-Heller brief?

Texas, Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Washington, and West Virginia.

I county thirty.


153 posted on 02/20/2008 7:42:20 AM PST by jdege
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To: P8riot
When I first moved to MT, my ood friend at work asked if I was gonna raise dental floss. He was a Zappa fan. I had never heard of the song until then.

Soon as I get me a grub-stake, I'm gonna get me a dennil floss ranch.

154 posted on 02/20/2008 7:42:53 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: djf
The only area I ever saw that I could say would be comparable was eastern Oregon, which is as close to paradise as a man could want.

Did you nap as you drove through Idaho? The inland NW is my old stomping grounds and a place to which I will return. Eastern Oregon, Northern Idaho, and Western Montana are probably the prettiest places in the U. S. In terms of natural beauty, however, nothing compares to British Columbia, IMO.

155 posted on 02/20/2008 7:51:40 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: FR Class of 1998

“That era began in 1865. Was Montana not paying attention?”

You’re gonna get em’ all riled up saying that. It seems that I read a book once that started with Montana seceding followed quickly by several other mountain states.


156 posted on 02/20/2008 8:33:26 AM PST by dljordan
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To: TheZMan

“I’m a southern boy by birth, but by God I would put up with the snow for this.”

If Tennessee left I’d leave Colorado in a heartbeat to defend my home.


157 posted on 02/20/2008 8:35:28 AM PST by dljordan
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To: EternalVigilance

“Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah.

That should be big enough...”

Maybe we could break off Northern Colorado too.


158 posted on 02/20/2008 8:36:12 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Momaw Nadon

Thank you Captain Buzzkill...


159 posted on 02/20/2008 8:41:38 AM PST by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: dljordan

“Maybe we could break off Northern Colorado too.”

I didn’t think that there was much of Colorado left that hadn’t been sucked dry, paved over or turned into a half-a$$ed theme park.

...just like what the tourists and their d*** lawyers are trying to do to Montana now.


160 posted on 02/20/2008 8:54:28 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (Down with the Kakistocracy)
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To: EternalVigilance
I've driven through Montana many times and I always look forward to the
fantastic veiws of those incredible rolling hills and valleys.

I always wanted to ask those judges why were students were allowed to
carry rifles to schools and colleges for class.. Were our lawmakers
just really ignorant and stupid back then? I dare them to answer..

161 posted on 02/20/2008 9:07:49 AM PST by MaxMax (I need a life after politics)
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To: BlueDragon
I'm moving to Montana soon. nevermind the dental floss...

But don't forget to bring your zircon-encrusted tweezers! Even if you don't care to be a dental floss tycoon, they might come in handy....

162 posted on 02/20/2008 9:56:39 AM PST by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: Gilbo_3

But I’m unprepared


163 posted on 02/20/2008 9:57:32 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: aruanan

But the Constitution wasn’t referring to the present-day National Guard, because the National Guard is a federal entity. The militia is still the greater part of the people at large, except for politicians.


164 posted on 02/20/2008 10:05:06 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Joe Brower

Yes, certainly some interesting times.


165 posted on 02/20/2008 10:09:20 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: jdege

***If thirty-three states call for a Convention, they could scrap the federal government and start over from scratch.***

I truly doubt the FedGov would let that happen.


166 posted on 02/20/2008 10:15:08 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: dljordan

Try to remember that book and post it for all to see.


167 posted on 02/20/2008 10:16:08 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: wequalswinner

I've run across the explanation, but for the life of me, cannot remember.

168 posted on 02/20/2008 10:27:08 AM PST by BlueDragon
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


169 posted on 02/20/2008 10:29:53 AM PST by Professional Engineer (www.pinupsforvets.com)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

“I didn’t think that there was much of Colorado left that hadn’t been sucked dry, paved over or turned into a half-a$$ed theme park.”

There are bastions of liberalism centered around the universities but once you get away from those there are still a lot of guns and individualism.


170 posted on 02/20/2008 10:30:35 AM PST by dljordan
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To: wastedyears

“Try to remember that book and post it for all to see.”

I’ll try to find it, I’m sure I didn’t give it away, it’s probably in a box somewhere with my other TEOTWAWKI books.


171 posted on 02/20/2008 10:32:06 AM PST by dljordan
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To: djf
Pretty funny... Montana gets failing grade on gun control laws

The Brady Campaign to prevent gun violence has announced its state report cards and says that Montana failed and tied for 32nd nationwide when it comes to enacting gun control laws.

Montana scored eight points out of a possible 100.

The scorecard rates five categories: curbing firearm trafficking, background checks, child safety, banning military assault weapons and guns in public places and local control.

A gun rights advocate says a low score means Montana is more in line with the second amendment right to bear arms.

"Every year Montana finds the Brady gun control campaign report on guidelines." said Montana Shooting Sports Association President Gary Marbut "We rejoice in that. We don't like gun control in Montana. Gun control is not consistent with Montana's heritage and culture. It's not consistent with our people and who we are."

The Montana Attorney General's office would not comment on the report, but Marbut says crime decreases with fewer gun control laws.

The Brady Campaign ranks California first while Kentucky and Oklahoma tied for 49th.

172 posted on 02/20/2008 10:33:54 AM PST by MarMema (kosovo will always be Serbian)
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To: djf

NOw THAT is an amicus brief.

I wish a copy was submitted to the US Supreme Court.


173 posted on 02/20/2008 10:35:34 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: betty boop
Dental floss is nylon, isn't it? Wait, maybe rayon? Both are made using petroleum products [i think]. Montana has some oil...but not as much as neighboring Wyoming.

I never noticed the zircon encrusted tweezers part. That's in that stupid song, too?

tweezers are good to have...but what i never leave home without, is duct tape! and a pocketknife, of course...

174 posted on 02/20/2008 10:35:38 AM PST by BlueDragon
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To: djf
Now they’re trying to go in the other direction, by passing unconstitutional laws in DC.

*****

"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates."

-Tacitus

175 posted on 02/20/2008 10:52:48 AM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Travis McGee
I used to see a bumper sticker in South Carolina:

"If first you don't secede, try try again."

I used to have one of those on my F-150! Bought it at that gift shop atop Stone Mountain.

176 posted on 02/20/2008 11:22:22 AM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: AGreatPer
I'll stay in Tennessee.

Tennessee Constitution:
Section 26. That the citizens of this state have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime.
177 posted on 02/20/2008 11:22:52 AM PST by Parthalan
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To: BlueDragon
I never noticed the zircon encrusted tweezers part. That's in that stupid song, too?

YEP!

If you're gonna hang out around oil fields in Montana, be sure you don't fall into that burnin' ring of fire! (OW! OW! OW!)

What a great album! Frank at his best. RIP.

178 posted on 02/20/2008 11:43:45 AM PST by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: wastedyears
But the Constitution wasn’t referring to the present-day National Guard, because the National Guard is a federal entity. The militia is still the greater part of the people at large, except for politicians.

Yep.
179 posted on 02/20/2008 11:59:39 AM PST by aruanan
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To: make no mistake
Just wondering, do you know anything about Wisdom, Mont.
180 posted on 02/20/2008 12:17:02 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: RainMan
My 3 favorites are Sidney, Bozeman & Missoula (in that order, and for various reasons) ... and I was NOT born there, nor have I lived there.

Sidney? That's not too far away from Glendive. I have a friend and a cousin who used to live up there.

181 posted on 02/20/2008 12:17:44 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: djf
Wasn't there a book written about this? Oh wait, that was Wyoming...
182 posted on 02/20/2008 1:31:34 PM PST by BorisTheBulletDodger (Molon Labe)
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To: jdege
I county thirty.

You omitted Wyoming (for 31) and see post #91.
183 posted on 02/20/2008 1:47:30 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: BlueDragon

Rayon is actually a natural fiber. Just got a bum rap early on.


184 posted on 02/20/2008 1:51:05 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: jdege
If thirty-three states call for a Convention, they could scrap the federal government and start over from scratch.

Not quite accurate. Please read the following essay I wrote that was vetted by our own "Congressman Billybob", a constitutional lawyer.

"A Convention for Proposing Amendments...as Part of This Constitution"

185 posted on 02/20/2008 3:41:11 PM PST by Publius (A = A)
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To: Publius
Please read the following essay I wrote that was vetted by our own "Congressman Billybob", a constitutional lawyer. I did read it. I just disagree. Remember, there was nothing in the Articles of Confederation that authorized the Constitutional Convention of 1787 to do what it did. Nothing in the instructions the delegates were given by the States, either. The delegates can do what they will. The states can ratify what they choose. They would be limited by the terms of the current Constitution only if they choose to be.
186 posted on 02/20/2008 4:51:15 PM PST by jdege
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To: Congressman Billybob; Enterprise

CBB: how can it be discovered if Montana pointed out this “contract” regarding individual gun rights to the USSC? Do you know if they did?


187 posted on 02/20/2008 5:20:13 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Slip18
I only find one thing incorrect in your profile page. Mt. Whitney was not the tallest mountain in the West. Go north about ten miles and you will find White Mountain. Some bureaucratic idiots were shoveling dirt and rocks off of White Mountain to make Mt. Whitney the taller of the two. “Why?” you might ask. Who the heck knows.

I really appreciate your comments, but it is just an old rumor that White Mtn. Peak, 14,242’, is actually higher than Mt. Whitney. It has been a running gag around here for years. It would take a lot of shoveling to get that much dirt and rocks off of White Mountain (pictured below) which is actually 70 miles north of Whitney in another mountain range.

14,496' Mt. Whitney in the High Sierra is not only the highest mountain in the West, but the highest in the United States outside of Alaska.

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188 posted on 02/20/2008 6:12:31 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: AGreatPer

Missoula, Billings and Helena. Next question.


189 posted on 02/20/2008 6:36:20 PM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: ArmyTeach

Alaska and Western Canada forming a new nation, perhaps, with Montana as a Southern jag.


190 posted on 02/20/2008 7:54:53 PM PST by DBrow
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To: wastedyears

The Third Revolution by Anthony F. Lewis


191 posted on 02/22/2008 7:17:15 AM PST by dljordan
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To: FR Class of 1998
That era began in 1865. Was Montana not paying attention?

Quite a bit has changed since then. Or haven't you been paying attention.


192 posted on 02/22/2008 8:18:05 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: grey_whiskers
Just curious. Does Montana have any ICBM bases?

See the links in post # 192, above.

Montana has two primary Minuteman support bases, Great Falls and Malmstrom AFBs. Their total number of Minuteman II Mmissiles is circa 350, less a few down for maintenance reefits, etc. There can be one, two or three Independent Reentry Vehicle [MIRV] warheads aboard each.

193 posted on 02/22/2008 8:21:14 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: dljordan
“Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah.

That should be big enough...”

Maybe we could break off Northern Colorado too.

Don't forget that similar rumblings have been heard in Alberta and Saskatchewan....

194 posted on 02/22/2008 8:24:49 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: AGreatPer
BTW, I would love to go there to see the mountains, streams and some fishing.

Got a passport, Yankee?

195 posted on 02/22/2008 8:25:53 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: AGreatPer
Better yet, as your child to point out Montana on a US map.

I'd just have him step out the back porch door, and point North. Though Devil's Tower sort of blocks a direct view.

196 posted on 02/22/2008 8:27:37 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Non-Sequitur
And seceding would solve this how?

It wouldn't be a secession. Should the any of the Bill of Rights be abrogated, the entire constitutional contract is negated, not just one little cherry-picked portion. Accordingly, Articles I,II,III, and IV would be just as moot as the Second Amendment, and there'd be nothing left to seceed from, just as the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.

But as to how- and more importantly, why- it would *solve* the problem:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. ... .

. ... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

197 posted on 02/22/2008 8:33:37 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Tamar1973
Want more?! (Ok...I was born there.)

We'd love to have you back as a neighbor.

198 posted on 02/22/2008 8:35:03 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: FR Class of 1998; Travis McGee
I think the feds would use force if necessary to stop a secession. They haven’t cared about law during my lifetime, that’s for sure.

I've long noted that if you're going to get into a fight with someone, it's easier to win if he's distracted by having his pants set on fire early on in the dispute.

199 posted on 02/22/2008 8:37:45 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: ScratInTheHat
That won’t last long. The west is drying up. A few more years of this and the population will drop in a BIG way.

Oh, surely we can find a few new citizens ready to emigrate from their homeland who appreciate mountain conditions.

Of course, it'll help if we can find a few folks who can pick up their language to help them settle in to their new home: Tesro bisra yudha nepalbata suruu huncha....


200 posted on 02/22/2008 8:44:28 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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