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Kosovo Was Then, This Is Now... [Victor Davis Hanson on bluffing]
National Review Corner ^ | 02/18/2008 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/19/2008 9:15:18 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz

Kosovo Was Then, This Is Now... [Victor Davis Hanson]

Quite apart from the undeniable merits of independence, in political terms Kosovo 2008 is not quite Kosovo of 1998. Let us count the post-9/11 ways:

1. The rise of radical Islam, especially in Europe, has made Western publics edgy about Muslim-identified states, especially inside Europe.

2. Russia is no longer a basket case, but rearming, aggressive, overflowing with petro-dollars, and eager to use oil — and more — as a weapon.

3. Milosevic is long dead.

4. For six years there has been a steady anti-American drumbeat in Europe and caricatures of the use of “preemption” and “unilateralism”; Euros have so turned off Americans that there is no support for reintervention to solve a “European” problem that should of course, if it worsens, be adjudicated at the Hague and other European Utopian agencies.

5. This was a Clinton thing, and predated George W. Bush. The current tension reminds us of our forgotten American Balkan presence, that seems to have been necessary for the past decade — and without a treaty no less! And did we ever ask Congress to bomb over there, or did we go to the sacrosanct U.N.? Suddenly there are few liberal Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi talking points to be heard on Kosovo.

6. After Afghanistan and Iraq, there is no likelihood that Americans want a third war, especially for Kosovo. Can you imagine the EU begging the Texan, twangy Halliburtonite, bible-thumping George Bush to please do something now!? I imagine right now President Bush is getting a different sort of phone call from his European friends, “Yo George?”

7. Yet given NATO’s dismal performance in Afghanistan, it has little fides in the Balkans, and the American attitude might be ‘you didn’t want to fight much for Afghanistan, so why should we for Kosovo?’

8. There is some EU support, especially in Eastern Europe and among Orthodox and Greek-speaking communities, for Serbia. Perhaps unfaddish and most un-European, but support nonetheless.

Where does all this leave us? It might be a fine and noble thing for the Kosovars to have their own state like the rest of the regions of the former Yugoslavia. But let us pray that neither Serbia nor Russia calls the Western bluff about guaranteeing Kosovar autonomy, because in the present climate it really would be, well, a big fat bluff.


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But let us pray that neither Serbia nor Russia calls the Western bluff about guaranteeing Kosovar autonomy, because in the present climate it really would be, well, a big fat bluff

Victor Davis Hanson is right, the West is not picking fights wisely!

1 posted on 02/19/2008 9:15:22 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz
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To: Feldkurat_Katz

Isn’t Kosovo’s declaration a violation of a UN resolution and a few treaties? I would think that the lefties who adore the UN would condemn Kosovo’s actions.


2 posted on 02/19/2008 9:21:28 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz

bttt


3 posted on 02/19/2008 9:22:48 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz
>>>Victor Davis Hanson is right, the West is not picking fights wisely!<<<

Clinton picked that fight. He chose to fight for Muslims against Serbia, a staunch WWII ally.

Why Bush adopted the Clinton position in Kosovo, praticularlly after 9/11, has to be pure Political Correctness...attempted appeasment to the Muslim world.

VDH is too kind in saying "not picking fights wisely". Going with the treasonous State Department flow on a path to disaster is more like it.

4 posted on 02/19/2008 9:26:31 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz

Why pray for that? The result will be another jihadist state in Europe. Pray they call the bluff the EU and the nitwits in Foggy Bottom, Condi included, are attempting.


5 posted on 02/19/2008 9:28:29 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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U.S. pins Kosovo force on NATO's Afghan commitment - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates will consider shifting U.S. troops from Kosovo to Afghanistan next year if NATO allies do not fulfill their commitments, U.S. government officials said.

By pinning the U.S. commitment in Kosovo to Europe's commitment in Afghanistan, Gates wants to signal that Europe will be left alone to deal with a still unsteady situation in its own backyard if it does not help the United States in Afghanistan, said officials familiar with the discussions.

6 posted on 02/19/2008 9:30:54 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: The_Reader_David
Why pray for that?

Those are VDH's words. If this bluff were called, United States would actually benefit, though not the corrupt elites in Washington D.C.

7 posted on 02/19/2008 9:35:42 PM PST by Feldkurat_Katz (What no women's magazine ever offers to improve is women's minds - Taki)
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To: Army Air Corps
Isn’t Kosovo’s declaration a violation of a UN resolution and a few treaties?

Yes, it is. The UN declaration 1244 states that Kosovo is a part of Serbia. The mandate for the UN troops in Kosovo is UN resolution 1244 (!!!). Feeling like Alice in Wonderland yet? Here is more.

Here are some quotes from a "non-paper" issued by the Swedish foreign office which lays out the EU policy on Kosovo:

[My underlining]

With UNSCR1244 continuing to be in force, and used to authorize the continued international presence, a full recognition of an independent state of Kosovo hardly seems possible. With the status quo clearly unsustainable, we must seek to develop a European Union policy that can satisfy basic demands for independence and sovereignity while keeping a semblance of respect for international law.
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Special attention must be given to northern Kosovo. In all probability, it will declare its de facto independence from the Kosovo authorities and reinforce the present de facto integration of the area in Serbia. It is likely to seek to close the dividing line along the Ibar river.

Such a situation might well lead to armed confrontations, primarily as a result of armed Albanian groups trying to attack the area. Such attacks might in its turn cause more or less massive refugee flows both from enclaves in the rest of Kosovo and from northern Kosovo to Serbia itself.

Thus, we should as a matter of priority explore arrangements for northern Kosovo that might lessen the risk of such confrontations.

In the absence of a mutual agreement, a possibility would be to declare that full UNMIK authority under 1244 remains in northern Kosovo. Thus, the area would not be under Prishtina, although the declared aim of UN authority in the area must be to facilitate the integration of the area with the rest of Kosovo.

With what ease our statesmen (and Condi Rice) are preparing for yet another conflict.

8 posted on 02/19/2008 9:36:52 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

See my post #6. Aren’t we in for some really good times?

How ever did we (and I mean mainly the European countries, although the US has its fair share as well) get saddled with such stupid politicians?


9 posted on 02/19/2008 9:40:49 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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I will not be surprised if the Serb sectors of northern Kosovo do break-off and fuse with Serbia.


10 posted on 02/19/2008 9:41:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sorry, should be #8.


11 posted on 02/19/2008 9:41:28 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

The US State Department has long had special skills when it comes to doing something friggin’ stupid.

The whole agency needs a house cleaning from top to bottom. There are some good and bright people there, but they are in the minority and are outnumbered by butt-kissing nitwits.


12 posted on 02/19/2008 9:46:05 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

“I will not be surprised if the Serb sectors of northern Kosovo do break-off and fuse with Serbia.”

I hope they do! I also hope that the Serbs in Republika Srpska do so too. It would only be fair and no one can do anything to stop them.


13 posted on 02/19/2008 9:51:02 PM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! Kosovo is Serbia!)
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To: Army Air Corps

Bump!


14 posted on 02/19/2008 9:54:26 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Jane_N

True. Kosovo’s action opened the door for the Serb sections to break away and join Serbia. At least, that is the way it seems to me.


15 posted on 02/19/2008 9:56:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Jane_N

Republika Srpska? That is a new one to me. Gads, how many countries occupy the boundaries of the former Yugoslavia? I just performed a Google search for Republika Srpska. Honestly, I never heard of this before today.


16 posted on 02/19/2008 10:01:13 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Well Bosnia is a “federation” built on the Croat-Muslim political entity and the Serbian entity. The Serbian section does not want to be a part of the rest of Bosnia but is forced into it by the Dayton Accord. The developement in Kosovo has set the precedent that should make their seperation from Bosnia smooth sailing.

You can read up about Republika Srpska here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska


17 posted on 02/19/2008 10:11:06 PM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! Kosovo is Serbia!)
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To: Jane_N

Wouldn’t such an action result in a significant increase in the size of Serbia? I imagine that would be a good thing for Serbia. It would seem that Kosovo’s actions establish a precendent for such a division in Republika Srpska. How is “Srpska” pronounced?


18 posted on 02/19/2008 10:18:26 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Feldkurat_Katz

btt


19 posted on 02/19/2008 10:47:30 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Army Air Corps
Wouldn’t such an action result in a significant increase in the size of Serbia? I imagine that would be a good thing for Serbia.

The JNA no longer has the capacity to do what you suggest.

20 posted on 02/19/2008 11:10:25 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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