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Metal detecting pensioner finds Wales' oldest coin
Evening Leader ^ | 20 February 2008 8:49 AM

Posted on 02/20/2008 3:46:01 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

A METAL detecting enthusiast has unearthed a Roman coin thought to be one of the oldest ever found in Wales. Retired butcher Roy Page, 69, of Coedpoeth, found the detailed 2,000-year-old coin on a farm near St Asaph when he went on a search there with the Mold-based Historical Search Society.

Roy handed the tiny silver coin to the Portable Antiquities Scheme, who identified it as dating from the second century BC.

It is believed to have been brought over some time after the Roman invasion of Britain in 43 AD, or during earlier visits in the first century BC.

Roy, who has been metal detecting for five years, said: "The person who held the coin was probably a Roman.

"When he told me I nearly fainted, I was over the moon. I was told by an expert in our group that it could be the oldest coin found in Wales.

"It shows how far the Romans came into this country.

"It is living history. I suppose the way I feel is how you would feel if you won the pools.

"When you look at a map of where old coins have been found in Wales there have not been many found around St Asaph."

The coin depicts two horses being driven by a man on a chariot.

Roy routinely puts in 10 hours of metal detecting a week using his computerised Minelab X Terra metal detector, which can differentiate between metals.

Roy was making his way to his car for a drink when the familiar high pitched bleep started up, signifying a coin.

Roy said: "I flipped the soil back and it was there, only six inches down.

"I was thirsty and so I popped it in my pocket with my other finds." Roy says he is not interested in the value of the coin, taking pleasure from simply having found it.

He said: "That is the first thing people ask me, how much it is worth.

"I haven't even bothered to find out."



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; romanempire

1 posted on 02/20/2008 3:46:02 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Does he get to keep it or does he have to turn it over to some government agency?
2 posted on 02/20/2008 3:48:38 PM PST by elizabetty (Mike Huckabee for President of the Confederate States of America -- Bad for the UNION)
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To: elizabetty

I was wondering the same thing.......


3 posted on 02/20/2008 3:51:05 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
69, of Coed

Uh hm.

Mold-based Historical Search Society

Their membership might be elderly but really.

"The person who held the coin was probably a Roman.

Or not.

4 posted on 02/20/2008 3:52:30 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Cool. Either the coin was fairly old when it came to Britain, or it came to Britain from Rome through several hands. It could have gotten there not long after it was minted if it passed up through Gaul and into Britain in a series of exchanges.

Silver is silver, and an unfamiliar coin would have been weighed to decide what it was worth.


5 posted on 02/20/2008 4:05:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: elizabetty
Does he get to keep it....

I recall a show about a farmer over there finding a mess of old Roman coins in a field he was tilling....all had to be turned over to the gov.

They did say that the 'finder's' are always fairly compensated, though.

6 posted on 02/20/2008 4:07:29 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Silver?? When Rome had real money, before they made all them worthless coated slugs of bronz.


7 posted on 02/20/2008 4:09:39 PM PST by jacob allen
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To: elizabetty

“The Treasure Act of 1996 is an Act of Parliament designed to deal with finds of treasure in the United Kingdom. It legally obliges finders of objects which constitute a legally defined term of treasure to report their find to their local coroner within fourteen days. An inquest led by the coroner then determines whether the find constitutes treasure or not. If it is declared to be treasure then the owner must offer the item for sale to a museum at a price set by an independent board of antiquities experts. Only if a museum expresses no interest in the item, or is unable to purchase it, the owner can retain it.

‘Treasure’ is defined as being:

* All coins from the same hoard. A hoard is defined as two or more coins, as long as they are at least 300 years old when found. If they contain less than 10% gold or silver there must be at least 10 in the hoard for it to qualify.
* Two or more prehistoric base metal objects in association with one another
* Any individual (non-coin) find that is at least 300 years old and contains at least 10% gold or silver.
* Associated finds: any object of any material found in the same place as (or which had previously been together with) another object which is deemed treasure.
* Objects substantially made from gold or silver but are less than 300 years old, that have been deliberately hidden with the intention of recovery and whose owners or heirs are unknown.

“Under English law a landowner has sole title to any archaeological artifacts found on his or her property. Legitimate metal detectorists come to an agreement with the owners of the land they detect on to share any proceeds from treasure sales.

“Successful cases involving the Treasure Act include that of the Ringlemere gold cup. Non treasure finds are the remit of the Portable Antiquities Scheme.

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So since this is only one coin, it would not be a ‘treasure’ within the definition of the act. So it might belong to the landowner if the treasure hunter had not reached a binding agreement with him before beginning the hunt.


8 posted on 02/20/2008 4:10:38 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The wear and tear on the coin leaves the image up to one’s own interpretation. (like looking up at puffy clouds and making out shapes for whimsy sake.)

Is it just me, or does anybody else make out the form of a Dog- headed human in a full sprint on a treadmill?

It has the makings of a Rorschach test.


9 posted on 02/20/2008 4:23:06 PM PST by So Circumstanced
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To: DeaconBenjamin; SunkenCiv

Roy Page with the ancient coin he found metal detecting

Metal detecting pensioner finds Wales' oldest coin

10 posted on 02/20/2008 4:55:18 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: elizabetty
Portable Antiquities and the Treasure Act
11 posted on 02/20/2008 4:56:56 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

That’s what I want to do when I get old, decrepit and useless - hunt for treasure. And conceal my finds from the thieving, fascist government.

John Adams - founding father and smuggler - an American hero.

One day, at the appropriate post, I’ll tell my story about the federal fascist bureaucrats who steal our national treasures.


12 posted on 02/20/2008 5:33:17 PM PST by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: proxy_user

So, I wonder how long old Roy is going to wait before he reports the next coin in the hoard to the coroner. I’d wait at least two or three months and make sure I “found” it in another county.


13 posted on 02/20/2008 6:02:25 PM PST by seowulf
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14 posted on 02/20/2008 10:44:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: blam

Oh, duh, it was in the article, wasn’t it? [blush]

some silver coins of the Roman Republic (see #1 for match?):

http://www.ancient-times.com/articles/tresviri/republic.html

1 http://www.ancient-times.com/articles/tresviri/pic_pompeia_1.jpg

2 http://www.ancient-times.com/articles/tresviri/pic_sestertius.jpg

3 http://www.ancient-times.com/articles/tresviri/pic_roma.jpg

4 http://www.ancient-times.com/articles/tresviri/pic_farsuleia_1.jpg


15 posted on 02/20/2008 11:07:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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Thanks for the ping... That’s a really cool looking coin.


16 posted on 02/21/2008 5:15:26 PM PST by LibertyRocks ("Islam - The Religion of Pieces" -- quote from LR's "Infidel & Proud" Daughter)
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To: elizabetty

Since this is Great Britain, he will most likely be handing it over to a thug with a gun, knife, or box cutter at some time in the near future.


17 posted on 02/21/2008 5:22:15 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: LibertyRocks; The Spirit Of Allegiance

:’) Here at GGG we thought it would be good to lend the story some currency. ;’)


18 posted on 02/21/2008 6:38:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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Roman coin thought to be one of the oldest ever found in Wales

This is mere chump change, yet far easier to swallow than Jonah, whose well-known tour of Whales was only three days long. The Minnow, on the other hand featured a three hour cruise. Though sum dim and some dim sum, I hope this makes cents two sum.




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19 posted on 02/21/2008 7:04:19 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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20 posted on 02/21/2008 7:07:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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":’) Here at GGG we thought it would be good to lend the story some currency. ;’)"

True but, it ought to make cents too.

21 posted on 02/21/2008 7:24:01 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

And here I thought getting a bicentennial quarter with my change back from a cup of coffee the other day was special...


22 posted on 02/21/2008 7:37:38 PM PST by Santa Fe_Conservative (The RINOs think that they have won but we shall see who has the last laugh in '08...)
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To: blam

Hey, we should treasure all of these topics, even those which are centsless.


23 posted on 02/21/2008 8:26:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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The other side’s got Helen Thomas’ picture on it.


24 posted on 02/21/2008 8:32:37 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks for the ping!


25 posted on 02/21/2008 10:47:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

I got back a 1911 wheat cent in my change sometime in january. I wouldn’t have noticed except I dropped it on the floor and then looked at it more carefully. I guess it is worth a couple bucks. Not much, but it was kind of cool to get a coin nearly a century old.


26 posted on 02/21/2008 11:28:50 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: blam; The Spirit Of Allegiance

I agree, it ought to make cents, but I can’t make heads or tails out of it.


27 posted on 02/22/2008 5:56:06 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

;)


28 posted on 02/22/2008 7:07:46 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (The fence is "absolutely not the answer" - Gov. Rick Perry (R, TX))
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29 posted on 07/21/2012 10:47:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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