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Kosovo and Islam`s Balkanization of the World
http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=1157 ^

Posted on 02/21/2008 1:59:14 AM PST by kronos77

Even as the world rushes to embrace the newly manufactured Kosovo as a country, the rise of a splinter Muslim country in Europe can't help but give hope to Islamic terrorists fighting to create breakaway states in Thailand, the Philippines, Israel, India and Kenya among many others.

Balkanization, or divide and conquer, has always been a key element in bringing down countries and with a global Islamic war, each country with a Muslim minority, natively converted or imported, is on the same track as Yugoslavia.

What Hitler did with the Volksdeutsche, ethnic Germans, across Eastern Europe, his former Muslim allies are doing across the world with Muslim populations. With the Volksdeutsche, before a single soldier of the Reich even set foot in a country, the Volksdeutsche would radicalize and foment unrest that would either carve up the target country or justify military intervention to "liberate" them. When the country was conquered, the Volksdeutsche would quickly become occupation forces.

With Islamists from the Muslim Brotherhood to the Ayatollahs either being direct allies of Hitler or influenced by Nazism, it's no surprise that Muslims have adopted Nazi tactics and Kosovo and its Muslim population that had formerly collaborated with the Nazis, is their greatest victory, a Muslim state carved out of the heart of Europe through ethnic cleansing, with the world's approval.

Whether in Gaza or the Paris riots, Kosovo or Kashmir, Balkanization is Islam's greatest weapon. Lacking a Nazi Germany to invade on their half behalf, Muslims practice violence and terrorism combined with manipulative publicity aimed at the world to convince them to take their side. And time and time again it has worked.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: antichristian; antiserbbigot; balkanization; dhimmitude; jihad; kosovo; palestine; serbia; silam

1 posted on 02/21/2008 1:59:15 AM PST by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/21/2008 1:59:31 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77

The government of the Philippines has already announced that it is essentially going to give an area on one of the islands (or maybe the whole island, actually) to the Muslims. Philippine law will not apply there. I don’t know how far advanced this plan is, but it’s happening faster than we think: Kosovo was just the most publicized example of something that is happening all over the world.


3 posted on 02/21/2008 2:38:35 AM PST by livius
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To: kronos77

It’s actually kind of amusing (sadly so) to see an Israeli talk about the dangers of Balkanization, and “manufactured” countries. Where was Israel before the 1940s?


4 posted on 02/21/2008 2:40:27 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Actually there is an important distinction: Israel exists by the exercise by its founders of the ancient ‘right of conquest’, something its founders exercised without apology, not having embraced the innovation of post-WW II international law of the inadmissibility of conquest. Moreover, the conquerors acted in their own self-interest. Isreal is not a ‘manufactured’ country, but one which arose a countries have all through history.

‘Kosovo’ as a country exists, on the contrary, due to the exercise of the old ‘right of conquest’ not by its founders, but by NATO, and the United States in particular, countries which have all formally signed on to the notion of the inadmissibility of conquest. In this sense it was ‘manufactured’, while Israel was not. Moreover, bizarrely, the conquerors in this instance, acted against their own self-interests.


5 posted on 02/21/2008 4:39:51 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David

You make some interesting points, but it seems to me that Israel’s founding was by conquest, while Kosovo’s founding was ultimately a result of low Serbian birth rate, high Serbian emigration, and poor Serbian governance combined with Albanian terrorism and nationalistic aspirations. I think in time the result would have been much the same with or without NATO. It just would have taken longer.


6 posted on 02/21/2008 5:49:10 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

You left out the Nazi/Ustashe/Albanian genocide against the Serbs during WW II in your list of causes.

No, the result would not have been the same. Without the Western backstabbing, absent the Communist policy of homogenizing the Yugoslav population, the Serb historical affinity for their ancient homeland with its monasteries and churches, combined with the resolve to push back against Muslim terrorists, would have re-Serbianized the population of Kosovo.


7 posted on 02/21/2008 6:21:08 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: kronos77; joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ...
If the "Volksdeutsche" had bred with the astounding fecundity of Muhammed's (May Peace Be Upon Him) followers, your post would have been in German.

And due to their unusual breeding habits, they are all cousins.

8 posted on 02/21/2008 7:14:59 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Dream Tickets: Gore/Obama vs. Petraeus/Blackwell.)
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To: The_Reader_David

You wrote:

“You left out the Nazi/Ustashe/Albanian genocide against the Serbs during WW II in your list of causes.”

I didn’t leave it out - it has nothing to do with it. The Serb population in Kosovo was dropping already a hundred years ago. In between the world wars the Muslims outnumbered Serbs by more than three to one according to Yugoslavian census reports. A few years after WWII the numbers were rather similar - according to the Yugoslavian government. The genocide you complain I didn’t cite clearly had little or nothing to do with the actual numbers of Serbs in Kosovo. Nice try. Wikipedia may not always be most reliable but this does rely on better sources: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:NskbHxkC6_0J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo+serb+population+in+kosovo&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a&safe=on

“No, the result would not have been the same. Without the Western backstabbing, absent the Communist policy of homogenizing the Yugoslav population, the Serb historical affinity for their ancient homeland with its monasteries and churches, combined with the resolve to push back against Muslim terrorists, would have re-Serbianized the population of Kosovo.”

What evidence do you have for that? Apparently none.


9 posted on 02/21/2008 7:19:51 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
I think in time the result would have been much the same with or without NATO. It just would have taken longer.

You appear to have missed the fact that the Yugoslav Army easily handled the UCK terrorist in 1999.

10 posted on 02/21/2008 7:23:17 AM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: F-117A

And the Bosnian Serb Army handled the Croatians and Muslims just as well.


11 posted on 02/21/2008 8:17:23 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython

And the Dhimmi got stuck with the Muslims.


12 posted on 02/21/2008 8:32:19 AM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: F-117A

You wrote:

“You appear to have missed the fact that the Yugoslav Army easily handled the UCK terrorist in 1999.”

I didn’t miss anything. Those same Yugoslav forces murdered enough civilians to guarantee decades more war if the Serbs did not pull out. I doubt an independent Kosovo will survive very long, but it’s here now. Just because the Serbs have a larger army than the pitiful Kosovars and a historical claim to the place doesn’t mean they’ll be able to hold Kosovo as their own. Those are just the realities of the situation.


13 posted on 02/21/2008 9:23:15 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998; The_Reader_David
I didn’t leave it out - it has nothing to do with it. The Serb population in Kosovo was dropping already a hundred years ago.

The Serb population was being eliminated hundreds of years ago. The Turkish Sultan issued a decree to his Albanian Muslim subjects to stop killing Christians as soon there would no one left to pay the taxes.

The Wikipedia entry you link to says there were 12,985 Serbian dwellings and 46 Albanian dwellings in the Kosovo area based on the 1455 Turkish census.

Despite two major migrations, in 1871 an Austro-Hungarian army study found the Serbs still had a 2 to 1 superiority over the Albanians.

So the Albanians stepped up their genocide... "It is estimated that around 400,000 Serbs were cleansed out of the Vilayet of Kosovo [an area including and extending outside the current Kosovo] between 1876 and 1912 , especially during the Greek-Ottoman War in 1897." The 1871 study showed 318,000 Serbs and 161,000 Albanians. By 1899 the Albanians had reduced the serb population to 166,700 while the Albanian population grew to 182,650.

It succeeded since by 1921 Albanians had about a 2.5 to 1 margin over the Serbs.

During WWII, massacres of some 10,000 Serbs and ethnic cleansing of about 80 to 100,000. The Serb that were cleansed were not permitted to return By Tito. But he did permit the settling of 100,000 Albanians from Albania.

With the recent deceleration, the Albanians will step up their ethnic cleansing, Albanization and genocide against non-Albanians, and the extermination of Albanians that don't toe the UCK line!

I don't point this out for you, since you already know this, but for those that are not driven by an Ustasha like hatred of Serbs!

14 posted on 02/21/2008 10:11:49 AM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: F-117A; The_Reader_David

You wrote:

“The Serb population was being eliminated hundreds of years ago. The Turkish Sultan issued a decree to his Albanian Muslim subjects to stop killing Christians as soon there would no one left to pay the taxes.”

I said a hundred years ago - not hundreds of years ago. And if you’re telling me that Serbs have been outnumbered in Kosovo for centuries then how does that help their case for the land any?

And please note, someone - The_Reader_David - made this claim: “You left out the Nazi/Ustashe/Albanian genocide against the Serbs during WW II in your list of causes.” Then I showed that clearly that was not the case since the numbers, and the ratio, were similar before and after WWII. The fact that Sers were once there in greater numbers means absolutely nothing to what is going on now. Maybe Serbs could have done something about this over the last, say, 65 years, huh?

“The Wikipedia entry you link to says there were 12,985 Serbian dwellings and 46 Albanian dwellings in the Kosovo area based on the 1455 Turkish census.”

Again, how does the fact that Serbs have been losing numbers - through whatever means - for centuries help the Serbian claim to Kosovo? It doesn’t.

And please note, AGAIN - The_Reader_David - made this claim: “You left out the Nazi/Ustashe/Albanian genocide against the Serbs during WW II in your list of causes.” Then I showed that clearly that was not the case since the numbers, and the ratio, were similar before and after WWII. The fact that Sers were once there in greater numbers means absolutely nothing to what is going on now.

“Despite two major migrations, in 1871 an Austro-Hungarian army study found the Serbs still had a 2 to 1 superiority over the Albanians.”

And is that the situation today or even since the turn of the 20th century? Again, how does saying Serbs used to be there in greater numbers help the Serb claim now? And please note, AGAIN - The_Reader_David - made this claim: “You left out the Nazi/Ustashe/Albanian genocide against the Serbs during WW II in your list of causes.” Then I showed that clearly that was not the case since the numbers, and the ratio, were similar before and after WWII. The fact that Sers were once there in greater numbers means absolutely nothing to what is going on now.

“So the Albanians stepped up their genocide... “It is estimated that around 400,000 Serbs were cleansed out of the Vilayet of Kosovo [an area including and extending outside the current Kosovo] between 1876 and 1912 , especially during the Greek-Ottoman War in 1897.” The 1871 study showed 318,000 Serbs and 161,000 Albanians. By 1899 the Albanians had reduced the serb population to 166,700 while the Albanian population grew to 182,650.”

Again, how does that matter about NOW?

And please note, AGAIN - The_Reader_David - made this claim: “You left out the Nazi/Ustashe/Albanian genocide against the Serbs during WW II in your list of causes.” Then I showed that clearly that was not the case since the numbers, and the ratio, were similar before and after WWII. The fact that Sers were once there in greater numbers means absolutely nothing to what is going on now.

“It succeeded since by 1921 Albanians had about a 2.5 to 1 margin over the Serbs.”

And what did Serbs do about that since 1921? Nothing? Anything?

“During WWII, massacres of some 10,000 Serbs and ethnic cleansing of about 80 to 100,000. The Serb that were cleansed were not permitted to return By Tito. But he did permit the settling of 100,000 Albanians from Albania.”

And what did the Serbs do about that? Anything? Nothing? How about after Tito died? Anything? Nothing at all?

“With the recent deceleration, the Albanians will step up their ethnic cleansing, Albanization and genocide against non-Albanians, and the extermination of Albanians that don’t toe the UCK line!”

Well, the Serbs, the Serbian Monarchy, and the Communists, so far - from what you yourself have said - actually seem to have rewarded such behavior. Go figure!

“I don’t point this out for you, since you already know this, but for those that are not driven by an Ustasha like hatred of Serbs!”

No one here is driven by an Ustasha like hatred of Serbs - although you make a good case for Serbs seeming to loathe themselves so much that they have allowed themselves to be cowed by communists and people who pander to Albanian Muslims. Why would Serbs kowtow to Muslims like this for the last century, hmmm?


15 posted on 02/21/2008 2:31:00 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

And here you are again, cheering on the Jihadists against the Christian Serbs.

Your pattern had been proved.

Case closed.


16 posted on 02/21/2008 4:03:41 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: F-117A; The_Reader_David

Please don’t feed the trolling bigot.


17 posted on 02/21/2008 4:05:21 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: montyspython

I believe we’ve found the new screen name of Ronly Bonly Jones? Remember that loser?


18 posted on 02/21/2008 4:16:08 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

You wrote:

“And here you are again, cheering on the Jihadists against the Christian Serbs.”

And once again, you’re lying. I’m not cheering on anybody thus far. I really can’t see anybody acting too terribly heroic in this Kosovo mess the last decade.

“Your pattern had been proved.”

Your imaginings are purely your own. I have not cheered on anybody in this.

“Case closed.”

The case closed against you long ago. Here you are, once again, making things up out of thin air. Thin air is all you’ve got.


19 posted on 02/21/2008 4:16:27 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Not interested in debating Orthodox Christian-hating and/or Serb-hating bigots.

I’ll pass on commenting on this doggerel.


20 posted on 02/21/2008 4:19:25 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

You wrote:

“Not interested in debating Orthodox Christian-hating and/or Serb-hating bigots.”

In other words, once again, you can’t prove what you claim about me. You have failed every single time I have asked. Every single time.

“I’ll pass on commenting on this doggerel.”

You’ll ignore my posts because you know you can’t prove what you claimed. Same old, same old.


21 posted on 02/21/2008 4:24:54 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: kronos77

22 posted on 02/21/2008 4:29:47 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: vladimir998

Learn how to read for comprehension and then try again!


23 posted on 02/21/2008 6:34:47 PM PST by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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To: F-117A

You wrote:

“Learn how to read for comprehension and then try again!”

You get your facts straight, and then you try again.


24 posted on 02/21/2008 6:39:52 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: F-117A
Just because someone keeps showing up on Serb and/or Orthodox Christian thread constantly, always attacking one or the other doesn't really prove anything, right?

Yeah, LOL!

25 posted on 02/21/2008 8:01:46 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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