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NIU shooter took steps to thwart probe, police say
The Baltimore Sun ^ | February 20, 2008 | Steve Schmadeke and Alexa Aguilar

Posted on 02/21/2008 8:47:38 AM PST by Deo volente

CHICAGO - Police think the graduate student who shot and killed five students last week at Northern Illinois University took steps to thwart investigators trying to figure out why he did it.

In addition to removing the hard drive from his laptop computer, Steven Kazmierczak also removed the SIM card - a key computer chip - from his cell phone, a police source said.

Police also said his former girlfriend gave a different account to police than she did in an interview with CNN about Kazmierczak's final weeks.

The result is police still do not have a theory as to why Kazmierczak opened fire on the crowded lecture hall.

"That's the one thing I want to know more than anything is motive," Northern Illinois University Police Chief Donald Grady said yesterday. "We don't have anything to know or even begin to assume a motive yet."

Among the other unanswered questions are why Kazmierczak targeted that particular building and class, and why he carried out the massacre on Valentine's Day, Grady said. There were no clues in the note or package he sent his former girlfriend shortly before the attack.

"He didn't tell people what he was going to do," he said. "And he took steps to thwart any investigation."

Kazmierczak's computer has been turned over to the FBI, said Joe Cullen, DeKalb County first assistant state's attorney. Authorities also plan to get a search warrant for Kazmierczak's cell phone, Cullen said.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kazmierczak; niu; niushooter; sjs; spontaneuosjihad; syndrome

1 posted on 02/21/2008 8:47:42 AM PST by Deo volente
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To: Deo volente

Any connection between this event and the classic movie “The St. Valentines Massacre”?


2 posted on 02/21/2008 8:50:21 AM PST by BipolarBob (I've been stung by honey bees and bumblebees. I don't want no huckle bee.)
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To: Deo volente

Maybe the investigators’ time would be better spent building cases against live defendants? This perp is dead. Who could ever understand why he did what he did? It’s not as if there could be any plausible reason for it.


3 posted on 02/21/2008 8:50:33 AM PST by squidly
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To: Deo volente

All they are going to find on those things is that this slime was a frustrated, un-desirable, that will have a lot of pornography in there somewhere...

Next...


4 posted on 02/21/2008 8:51:29 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: stevie_d_64

i.e.: “former girlfriend”...


5 posted on 02/21/2008 8:52:10 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Deo volente

Prozac is the only thing here not mentioned as a probable reason for the mood of the killer. I think prozac should be better regulated to protect citizens from walking nutjobs.


6 posted on 02/21/2008 8:52:10 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: squidly

Exactly. The less emphasis on the shooter(s), the better.


7 posted on 02/21/2008 8:52:46 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Deo volente

Are still still calling him the chief suspect in this attack?

Always bugs me when the media says “and the suspect killed himself at the scene”. In the absence of a trial he’ll forever be a “suspect” but with all of the witnesses who know who the perp was.


8 posted on 02/21/2008 8:55:08 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Deo volente

He was a social justice major, we should start legislation to end the cycle of violence that is bred in the academic halls of social justice departments.


9 posted on 02/21/2008 8:57:31 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: o_zarkman44

I believe the Prozac issue here was that he had stopped taking it a few days before the shooting. Arguably this wouldn’t have happened had he stayed on his meds?


10 posted on 02/21/2008 8:57:39 AM PST by squidly
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To: o_zarkman44

I think people who are prescribed psychoactive drug after criminal prosecution (and some of these cases have been such people) are CRININALLY INSANE. They should not be permitted to roam freely about. Get a family member to be their appoitned guardian if they are to remain “free” and keep them confined under house “arrest” (leg bracelet monitored).

They are not functional in society.

The pills don’t always do the trick, especially when they stop taking them for awhile.


11 posted on 02/21/2008 9:00:12 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: squidly

Sounds like a guardian should’ve been making him take his meds in front of him/her every day.

Barring that, institutionalize him to keep him on his little pill cup.


12 posted on 02/21/2008 9:01:10 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: squidly

If mind controlling drugs are required to keep a walking time bomb from exploding, then I would believe it critical that the patients doses be physically monorored rather than being put on the honor system.
Just because someone is getting treatment or therapy does not automatically make them safe on the streets. The Prescribing doctor has a responsibility in this as well.


13 posted on 02/21/2008 9:06:35 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: Walkingfeather
"He was a social justice major,"

That would explain the reports of him familiarizing himself with Palestinian terr groups and learning Arabic.

14 posted on 02/21/2008 9:09:36 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Deo volente
“Police also said his former girlfriend gave a different account to police than she did in an interview with CNN about Kazmierczak’s final weeks. “

Waterboard her.....

15 posted on 02/21/2008 9:10:33 AM PST by monday
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To: Deo volente
investigators trying to figure out why he did it.

Madness does not have a reason, or motive, though it may have a goal.

16 posted on 02/21/2008 9:14:12 AM PST by holymoly (Molon labe.)
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To: BenLurkin
It seems he had some other interests, unfortunately:


17 posted on 02/21/2008 9:16:58 AM PST by Deo volente
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To: o_zarkman44

This happened when he STOPPED taking his Prozac, because his idiot girlfriend persuaded him to. He had spent time in a psych hospital in the past and probably should have been kept there, but Prozac isn’t the problem other than the fact that excessive faith is placed in it as an alternative to lock-up.


18 posted on 02/21/2008 9:17:23 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: monday

The girlfriend was taking a class on serial killers, if you can believe that!

He sent her a couple of textbooks on the subject along with a copy of Nietzsche’s “The Antichrist”.

Nice young man...NOT!


19 posted on 02/21/2008 9:21:31 AM PST by Deo volente
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To: Deo volente

They should instead investigate why grown adult students are prevented by university “authorities” from carrying the most effective tools for defending themselves while those authorities know that they can not guarantee the students’ safety, and instead provide an environment that has been proven to attract violent crime.


20 posted on 02/21/2008 9:27:12 AM PST by Hazwaste (Vote! Vote for the conservative local, state, and national candidates of your choice, but VOTE!)
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To: Deo volente
From his reading material, I would take a gander that he was involved in Satanism although a more non theistic branch such as Left Hand path as prescribed by the Church of Satan. Satanism in and of itself, however, does not explain this...

I would be curious as to what was contained on the Hard drive though.

21 posted on 02/21/2008 9:29:00 AM PST by Xenophon450 (I guess I'll never know, some things under the sun can never be understood...)
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To: o_zarkman44; squidly
Prozac is the only thing here not mentioned as a probable reason for the mood of the killer. I think prozac should be better regulated to protect citizens from walking nutjobs.

Squidly has it right in that there is no plausible reason nor logical causation for such acts. It is human nature to grasp for explanation of these human tragedies.

The usual suspects are always firearms, SSRI's (Prozac, Zoloft) or video games or violence on TV. All this is predictable every time some bastard walks in and starts killing innocent people. They do "walk" in so let's blame it on legs. It makes as much sense as blaming firearms or SSRI's. Who is going to walk in and start shooting innocent people. Well, people with legs, with a firearm who are far from mentally well.

Guns, legs or SSRI's do not drive this insanity they merely follow it. I think in this particular case he had stopped taking his meds. I think it is more that those who would be taking an anti-depressant, would be more likely to be in a mental state to commit such an act and far less likely that the AD is causing them to commit that act.

Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Oswald, Ghengis Khan and a great many others never knew what an SSRI was, nor did those know who were murdered in places like schools, colleges, restaurants, churches and malls. There just simply aren't any concrete answers and the only thing close to a solution is to have citizens armed so they can meet these madmen on equal terms and preserve innocent life.

22 posted on 02/21/2008 9:29:08 AM PST by WildcatClan (Try new Zen-Xanax McCain! Now with 80% fewer tantrums.)
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To: weegee

Recall CNN, for a good 2 weeks following 9/11, insisting on referring to the attackers as the “alleged hijackers”. Made about as much sense as Mohammed Atta’s will that he left behind as he headed off to fly a a fully fueled jet into a skyscraper; among its insane directives was that when his body was being prepared for burial, it must not be handled by women — like he seriously thought that 1) there would be a body left, and 2) people in charge of the attack site would give a d*mn what his instructions were.


23 posted on 02/21/2008 9:51:35 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: WildcatClan

“Guns, legs or SSRI’s do not drive this insanity they merely follow it. “

Apparently SSRI’s don’t just follow it, they amplify it. I believe that every single mass shooting since Columbine has been by people who were taking some sort of SSRI.

That’s the problem. Some of the reports say that the SSRI’s actually compound the insanity by taking away what normal restraints are still left in those people. And once the restraints are gone, they are much more likely to act out in a violent way.

SSRI’s probably should not be used in the general population, if they should be used at all. They are very powerful drugs and affect some people more than others. Perhaps there is a way they can screen for susceptible individuals before prescribing them.


24 posted on 02/21/2008 9:55:42 AM PST by webstersII
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To: webstersII

Cho took an antidepressant for one year but had not been on meds for about 7 years before he killed 32 people. Meds had nothing to do with that one.


25 posted on 02/21/2008 10:06:45 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: WildcatClan

I make no excuses for the killer I just think we place too much responsibility on psych drugs to do the babysitting that institutions used to do. I know we can’t identify all the crazies out there. But when one is identified, they should never be allowed to leave the loop. In fact, there is no excuse for giving them the leeway to cause harm.


26 posted on 02/21/2008 10:24:46 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: o_zarkman44

I think we agree there to some extent. All I am saying is I see SSRI’s as just being there to be blamed in most cases. Most SSRI’s are prescribed for things like anxiety, panic attacks, GAD, and Clinical Depression.

You are speaking of far more powerful drugs than SSRI’s and I agree with you there to a point. There are lots of drugs and other things that up serotonin levels even chocolate and sunlight. I do agree that there are far too many “magic pill” treatments of individuals taking place in this country as well as the world. I think a freeper (can’t recall the name) was close when they said, “We teach kids they came from pond scum and that life in the womb is merely a blob of tissue and are surprised when they then exhibit no respect for life.”


27 posted on 02/21/2008 10:37:22 AM PST by WildcatClan (Try new Zen-Xanax McCain! Now with 80% fewer tantrums.)
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To: o_zarkman44

Or when prescribed the doc to notify atf so, when he applies for a firearm, the flags go up.


28 posted on 02/21/2008 11:00:43 AM PST by devistate one four (nam '68)
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To: Deo volente

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/kazmierczak.jpg

NIU Killer Steven Kazmierczak:
Was Arabic-Speaking, HAMAS-fan a Muslim Convert?


29 posted on 02/21/2008 3:35:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: gracesdad

I thought he had been on meds much more recently than that but I could be mistaken.


30 posted on 02/21/2008 8:35:32 PM PST by webstersII
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To: webstersII

“I thought he had been on meds much more recently than that but I could be mistaken.”

Some very early reports mentioned something about police finding meds in his dorm room but that was quickly discounted. That’s probably what you were thinking of. The exhaustive state report says the last time he had antidepressants was in 9th grade.


31 posted on 02/22/2008 6:43:59 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Deo volente
Was Kazmierczak influenced by NIU Prof. Marc Falkoff?

Marc Falkoff teaches courses in criminal law, criminal procedure, the federal courts, and lawyering skills

NIU Law Professor to Participate in Nationwide Teach-In [Thursday, October 5] on Guantanamo Bay Professor Marc D. Falkoff, counsel for 17 Yemeni men at Guantánamo Bay, to read poetry written by Guantánamo Bay detainees

As one of the first American citizens to travel to the camp and meet directly with the detainees, Falkoff has heard firsthand their stories of torture, abuse, disrespect, and other “disturbing” incidents.

Falkoff said, "Our job as educators and students is to cut through the military and administration’s misrepresentations and their ‘Orwellian’ language to learn the truth of what is really going on at these detention camps.”

If I understand correctly, Falkoff went back to NIU at 4:00 PM to give a talk which PRE-EMPTED the simulcast of the teach-in. My questions: what was the viewpoint of the speakers whom Falkoff pre-empted? Did Falkoff pre-empt someone who disagreed with him?

32 posted on 02/22/2008 7:44:47 AM PST by syriacus (Mrs. Obama's Little Book of Etiquette says it's NOW acceptable to be REALLY proud of being American.)
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To: gracesdad

“The exhaustive state report says the last time he had antidepressants was in 9th grade.”

Thanks for the update.


33 posted on 02/22/2008 4:25:57 PM PST by webstersII
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