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Junk Science: Looming Lightbulb Liability
Fox News ^ | February 21, 2008 | Steve Milloy

Posted on 02/21/2008 6:29:25 PM PST by Larry R. Johnson

The speeding freight train carrying toxic waste liability for makers, sellers and purchasers of compact fluorescent lightbulbs, or CFLs, was only faintly audible in the distance last spring when this column first warned of it. Now we’re beginning to see that environmentalist-stoked train speed toward its victims, whom President Bush and Congress just finished tying to the tracks.

CFLs and all other fluorescent lightbulbs require special clean-up and disposal procedures because they contain small amounts of mercury, which is neurotoxic at sufficiently high exposures. For example, you’re not supposed to vacuum breakage or toss used bulbs in household trash.

Despite these clean-up and disposal hassles, environmental groups, bulb makers and retailers relentlessly have promoted CFL use as a strategy for reducing electricity consumption and the power plant emissions allegedly causing global warming.

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: agw; cfl; environment; globalwarming; green; junkscience; lawsuits; lightbulbs; mercury
You have to just love this stuff. The Greenies want us to use CFL bulbs to stop "Global Warming". They want us to pay pay pay for these bulbs and pay pay pay for the clean-up of all this toxic mercury. And the President and the congress go for both. Oh, Mr. Goldwater...where are you?
1 posted on 02/21/2008 6:29:25 PM PST by Larry R. Johnson
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To: Larry R. Johnson; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; Beowulf; FrPR; ...
Despite these clean-up and disposal hassles, environmental groups, bulb makers and retailers relentlessly have promoted CFL use as a strategy for reducing electricity consumption and the power plant emissions allegedly causing global warming."

 


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2 posted on 02/21/2008 6:32:45 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Larry R. Johnson

“........Oh, Mr. Goldwater...where are you.....?”

He died with the America I grew up in.


3 posted on 02/21/2008 6:33:32 PM PST by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

Don’t tell anyone, but I have laid in a supply of conventional light bulbs and flood light bulbs, etc. that I think, hope, will carry me along until the intelligent people realize how assinine those fluorescent bulbs are, and the whole damned foolishness fades away.......along with the whole global warming farce.


4 posted on 02/21/2008 6:57:12 PM PST by Tucker39 (Just because I'm paranoid is no sign they're not really out to get me!)
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To: Tucker39

I’m going to do the same, especially since these bulbs not only produce light but also heat, that keeps my oil bill down by heating up my room. :)


5 posted on 02/21/2008 7:02:33 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

You think that’s bad? My electric company sent me two of those toxic light bulbs just before Christmas, totally unsolicited, and planned to make me pay more than market prices for them over the course of the next year via a confusing unexplained “surcharge” on my monthly bill. All wth the blessing of the Maryland Public Utilities Commission.

Fortunately enough of us pitched a fit that the State stepped in and forced them to take that surcharge off of our bills. Now if only they would send a hazmat team out to take the darned toxic light bilbs off of my hands, then maybe I would be happy!


6 posted on 02/21/2008 7:08:17 PM PST by BMIC
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To: BMIC

this is a replay of the paper bag nonsense. They screamed for years about killing trees, forced the change to plastic, then someone realized that those bags will still be around in three trillion years lol


7 posted on 02/21/2008 7:12:54 PM PST by catbertz
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To: Larry R. Johnson

I HATE these effing things.

It SUCKS to try to read by their light. This is stupider than the Ethanol boondoggle.


8 posted on 02/21/2008 7:15:11 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

Just had to replace the lamp in the freezer. Was wondering if I installed a CFC in there yesterday and left the door open, would it have illuminated yet?


9 posted on 02/21/2008 7:16:52 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

10 posted on 02/21/2008 7:21:41 PM PST by Walmartian
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To: Former MSM Viewer
“........Oh, Mr. Goldwater...where are you.....?” He died with the America I grew up in.

They said in 1964 "If you vote for Goldwater, we'll wind up in a war."

So, I voted for Goldwater......

I do miss that America.

11 posted on 02/21/2008 7:21:48 PM PST by stboz
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To: Larry R. Johnson

I’m sooo annoyed at the moment...I went into my warehouse retailer and they had NO regular sixty watt bulbs. I have a weird low volt system from the late 1950’s...it likes to stick and then short out bulbs. No way I can afford to keep buying expensive light bulbs, until I can afford a major overhaul of my system.


12 posted on 02/21/2008 7:22:45 PM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
Here's what I said on this last May:

"There’s about 5 milligrams of mercury in a CFL bulb (given its density, maybe you could fit it on the head of a pin). Environmentalists are minimizing the importance of this mercury now — because they’re promoting CFL bulbs, and regulations to ban incandescent bulbs. Expect things to change, once everyone is using CFL bulbs & has no choice to revert to incandescents.

Environmentalists will point to the billions of bulbs discarded each year, and demand regulations to prevent the tens of thousands of kilograms of mercury from being discarded willy nilly. We’ll wind up paying to dispose of CFL bulbs at hazardous waste facilities — where the mercury will be meticulously reclaimed. Heavy fines will be imposed on anyone who just tosses a dead bulb in the garbage."


Here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835838/posts
13 posted on 02/21/2008 7:27:37 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Katya

Go to the dollar discount type places;plenty old,reliable,simple,safe,cheap bulbs there....but for how long?


14 posted on 02/21/2008 7:29:51 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: catbertz

Our garbage company takes the CFL bulbs at no charge. Oh, yeah, they also take the plastic bags as well in the recycling bins.


15 posted on 02/21/2008 7:36:32 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Evil has a name and it is Hillary!)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
Phase two is to double or triple you electric bill with the carbon tax and that will make clean-up of mercury seem a bargain by comparison, not counting all the 'new jobs' created for mercury regulators and private mercury remediation specialists. In the mean time, the trial lawyers make another bundle.

See asbestos.

And you thought those Washington lobbyists were just pretty faces going to cocktail parties. ;~))

Global Warming is the Swiss Army Knife of big government. It can accomplish most any task.

16 posted on 02/21/2008 7:38:56 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
Given the documented dangers from government sources, it is only a matter of time (especially in the more leftist jurisdictions) when some parent will be charged with “endangering the welfare of a child” for not calling out the local HazMat Emergency Team when they break one of the bulbs on the kitchen floor.
17 posted on 02/21/2008 7:59:36 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: rlmorel

Just put in two lamps where one used to be.

It’s like how you have to flush the toilet twice with the low water volume ones.

And everytime anyone complains about jobs being sourced overseas, just tell them that, “Yes, they closed down our light bulb plants here because all the new ones are only made in China.” And when they look a little shocked, say, “Well, they are so toxic to the environment no one wants to make them over here.” Bada bing.


18 posted on 02/21/2008 8:00:17 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: catbertz
In Kansas a plastic bag left outdoors degrades in just a few years. But reality proves nothing....WE’RE DOOMED!
19 posted on 02/21/2008 8:02:20 PM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
For example, you’re not supposed to vacuum breakage or toss used bulbs in household trash.

Lot of things you are not supposed to do

20 posted on 02/21/2008 8:55:28 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
Over Christmas we augmented the lighting in our house with fluorescent lights. Not those wimpy little curly-Q bulbs -- we went with the big, whomping 48-inch manly bulbs. Our kitchen used to be lit by eight 60-watt incandescent bulbs embedded in the ceiling. Even though we were burning plenty of electricity, it seemed like we were living by candlelight. Once they outlawed those 500-watt halogen lamps, we might as well have been living in a cave. Fortunately, there was some space on top of the kitchen cabinets, so I installed four banks of four 32-watt fluorescent tubes.

Let there be light!

Now with about the same energy expenditure, we have what seems like 10 times as much light. I can once again read nutrition labels (even when some idiot package designer puts small black print on a red background).

Our house looks a little different from the outside, too. Instead of the warm, incandescent glow that comes from every other house on the block, our house looks like something out of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", but by gosh we have light.

21 posted on 02/21/2008 9:06:27 PM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: AZLiberty
By the way, my wife loves it. She use to hate fluorescent lights. The old ones, with magnetic ballast, would pulsate at 60 Hz, giving her terrible headaches. The new ones, with electronic ballast, don't have that effect, and with the "daylight" high-temperature bulbs, they cast a light of similar quality to those expensive Ott reading lamps.

She used to complain all the time how dark it was in the house. No more.

I also replaced the lights in the laundry room. Where we once had two 60 watt bulbs lighting a 10x12 room, we now have a bank of four 32-watt, four-foot fluorescent bulbs. You practically need sunglasses.

22 posted on 02/21/2008 9:52:04 PM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
Why aren't LED bulbs available that would fit standard light sockets? AFAIK, the CCrane company is the only place that carries them.

They're pretty expensive, but I would think there would be enough demand that companies would be jumping on this market - thus lowering the price. It seems a better way to go than those stupid curly-Q bulbs.

23 posted on 02/21/2008 10:23:31 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Oztrich Boy

How did you get that heavy old mattress up on your scanner?


24 posted on 02/22/2008 1:55:56 AM PST by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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To: Larry R. Johnson
Have you ever seen a 'rough duty' light bulb, intended for droplights and such? The bulb is coated with a thin layer of plastic that will contain the glass should the bulb get broken.

Why don't they just put a clear plastic shrink wrap over the bulb spiral, and all breakage (and the minute amount of mercury) would be contained in case of a breakage.

25 posted on 02/22/2008 7:28:05 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Larry R. Johnson; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; ...


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26 posted on 02/22/2008 7:33:24 AM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: stboz

It looks like “they” were right..........


27 posted on 02/22/2008 7:37:15 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Tucker39; huldah1776

Me, too. I’m buying enough to last until I shuffle off this mortal coil!


28 posted on 02/22/2008 7:39:41 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: All

Just encourage people to use lower wattage incandescents! Sheesh!


29 posted on 02/22/2008 7:49:25 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Ken H

LEDs are coming. They’re going to create pretty fast obsolescence for CFLs.


30 posted on 02/22/2008 7:56:54 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: AZLiberty
we now have a bank of four 32-watt, four-foot fluorescent bulbs. You practically need sunglasses.

You wouldn't happen to be Tim "The Toolman" Taylor, would you?

"What we need here is more POWER!"

31 posted on 02/22/2008 8:15:12 AM PST by liege
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To: Tucker39
LED's are going to be our light source of the future.

I'm not going to stock up on the old stuff, and I'm not going to buy CFL's. By the time Edison bulbs are banned, 2012, LED's will be out in force. Same lux, lower heat, lower power consumption and longer life ~50,000+ hours. Might cost a little more initially, but will pay for itself in reduced energy and replacement costs.

32 posted on 02/22/2008 8:26:20 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: rlmorel

The originals were pretty bad, I agree. But except for decorative lamps we use them all through the house. And like the savings.
Remember, these contain only a few (1? 2?) percent of what the old fever thermometers held.


33 posted on 02/22/2008 8:45:04 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

THank you!!
Thank you for the applause!

I called this one EXACTLY CORRECT the day they banned the Incandescent lightbulb.

It’s going to be a liability attorney’s worst nightmare...


34 posted on 02/22/2008 8:51:25 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

“........Oh, Mr. Goldwater...where are you.....?”

He died with the America I grew up in.

BTT - Amen!


35 posted on 02/22/2008 9:16:22 AM PST by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: liege

No, I’m not “The Toolman”, and I don’t even have a need for POWER. But as the middle-aged eyes of this couple continue to lose their flexibility, good lighting becomes more important. I COULD have replaced all those incandescents with comparable (HAH!) low-wattage CFLs, but you only live once. As long as you’re going to contaminate the planet with mercury, you might as well do it right.


36 posted on 02/22/2008 9:39:01 AM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: AZLiberty
As long as you’re going to contaminate the planet with mercury, you might as well do it right.

I like the way you think.

37 posted on 02/22/2008 11:43:09 AM PST by liege
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To: Larry R. Johnson

Spent fluorescent bulbs will be the MTBE of the 2000s. More folly from the left!

Notice how the Philips commercials urging us to switch bulbs have gone away?


38 posted on 02/22/2008 3:41:38 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: Larry R. Johnson

Does this mean the end of the Easy Bake Oven?


39 posted on 02/22/2008 3:43:59 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

If these new CFL bulbs are so friggin safe, how bout we dispose of them by smashing them in the ventialtion units at one of Al Gore’s many mansions?

I don’t own one, and I hope that I never will, and my “doomsday” bunker of real light bulbs is growing.

Just like when I had my bathrooms redone, I absolutely refused to replace my toilets. I rebuilt them completely. Aahhh, full flush. And ONE flush.


40 posted on 02/26/2008 2:08:05 PM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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