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The Irrelevancy Of Mrs. Obama's College Thesis (Princeton puts Michelle Obama'a Thesis on Lockdown)
Captain's Quarters ^ | Feb. 22, 2008 | by Ed Morrissey

Posted on 02/22/2008 6:34:40 AM PST by jdm

I have received a lot of e-mail regarding Princeton's apparent decision to embargo Michelle Obama's college thesis. A few purported quotes have begun floating through the ether, which seems surprising if the Obamas have conspired to keep the paper buried at Princeton. The messages all seem to believe that the thesis contains something explosive, especially in terms of racial politics.

Maybe it does, and maybe it doesn't. Why would anyone be surprised if it did? To paraphrase one of the great lines from South Park, there's a time and a place for radical thought, and it's called college. Mrs. Obama wrote the paper 20 years ago, while living in the cocoon of academia. I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind.

It's not quite as bad as going back to Barack's kindergarten essays, but it's just about as irrelevant. Most importantly, Michelle Obama isn't the candidate. Her speeches on behalf of her husband now are relevant and fair game for criticism, but Mrs. Obama didn't write her college thesis as an argument for her future husband's election. When people dissected Hillary Clinton's thesis, it at least had some limited relevancy because of her own candidacy -- and even then reflected the state of mind of a woman in her early 20s, and not the state of mind of the same woman over 30 years later.

So far, Michelle Obama has given critics plenty of source material in the present campaign. Better to focus on that than to go on a silly spelunking tour of the college papers of someone who isn't running for office.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: academia; michelleobama; mrsobama; obama; princeton; princetonu; sandyburger; thesis
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1 posted on 02/22/2008 6:34:43 AM PST by jdm
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To: jdm
I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind.

I don't. Liberals are stuck in adolescences. No doubt she still believes every racists, Marxist word. Just like Hillary.
2 posted on 02/22/2008 6:40:56 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: jdm

I’ll bet the New York Times isn’t interested in what she wrote - well unless it makes her look great. Not that they’re biased or anything...


3 posted on 02/22/2008 6:41:30 AM PST by GOPJ (When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing-they believe in anything.Chesterton)
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To: jdm
I doubt that it reflects her current state of mind

LOL!!!!! Given her "this is the 1st time I've been proud of America" line, I'm sure her paper TOTALLY reflects her current state of mind.

4 posted on 02/22/2008 6:42:43 AM PST by SengirV
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To: jdm

What is the matter with Morrissey? The Obama’s go to a church that has given Luis Farakhan an award . . . nothing has been repudiated and if she wrote some racially hateful stuff . . . we should know it.

Need a freedom of information type lawsuit to get this thing opened up.


5 posted on 02/22/2008 6:42:48 AM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: jdm

Shades of Clintonian tactics.


6 posted on 02/22/2008 6:43:36 AM PST by tennteacher (Hunter Conservative)
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To: jdm
Hmmm...I wonder is Michelle's thesis was anything like Hillary's senior thesis?
7 posted on 02/22/2008 6:45:45 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: socialismisinsidious

I think we can figure out the gist of it.


8 posted on 02/22/2008 6:46:21 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220
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To: jdm

Hillary digs up her opponents kindergarten writings, but keeps what she wrote in college under wraps. No one notices, or cares. Go figure.


9 posted on 02/22/2008 6:46:52 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

I would probably call the “self” that I was in college a “liberal” - narcissistic, hedonist, envious of the wealth of those that had already paid their dues in life.

I thought abortion was great because I wanted the “out” for responsibility for my behavioral choices.

However, as opposed to the liberals in our country, I grew up, matured, became less self centered, and became a hardcore conservative.


10 posted on 02/22/2008 6:47:48 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: jdm

This raises red flags. Where are you Sandy Berger now that we need you?


11 posted on 02/22/2008 6:48:18 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: jdm

I am going to immediately contact my alma mater to ensure that my undergrad honors thesis is locked down. My views back then on the philosophy of science, if discovered today, would be absolutely earth shaking.


12 posted on 02/22/2008 6:49:18 AM PST by dmz
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To: MrB

I wouldn’t want to be judged on the philosophy papers I wrote in college.

Atleast they were neatly typed. ;)


13 posted on 02/22/2008 6:49:53 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Well, yeah, no doubt.

Being young and foolish, and thinking you have the solutions to all the world’s problems is part of the arrogance of youth.

Liberals are still arrogant adolescents.
Conservatives aren’t.


14 posted on 02/22/2008 6:52:00 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: jdm
Mrs. Obama didn't write her college thesis as an argument for her future husband's election. When people dissected Hillary Clinton's thesis, it at least had some limited relevancy because of her own candidacy -- and even then reflected the state of mind of a woman in her early 20s, and not the state of mind of the same woman over 30 years later.

Fair enough, however both she and her husband should be allowed to either support and reject views and arguments she placed before the public all those years ago.

If she has grown beyond the narrow views of relative youth and the insular embrace of academia, then she should be allowed to demonstrate her present maturity. If not, then we deserve to know.

15 posted on 02/22/2008 6:55:41 AM PST by Jeff F
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To: jdm

I’d agree that the thesis itself doesn’t matter much — if there’s anything outlandish Michelle Obama can just disown it by saying she was a college student not yet in contact with the real world, and that’s not what she believes now.

What is a problem, though, is this attempt to suppress it. That says something about her and the Obama campaign right now. (Princeton will take the fall for it, but the Obamas could have it out in an instant if there wasn’t something in there they were scared of.)

It’s not a big issue, but it definitely stinks.


16 posted on 02/22/2008 6:56:23 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: Steely Tom
Hillary digs up her opponents kindergarten writings, but keeps what she wrote in college under wraps.

Her thesis got out. It was a stupid list of stuff about Saul Alinsky. But she wrote so poorly, it had no real point. So there's not much juicy stuff there.

17 posted on 02/22/2008 6:58:06 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: jdm; Congressman Billybob; Doctor Raoul; dirtboy
Perhaps it brings up larger issues...such as college thesis papers being irrelevant to everything...or that colleges are promoting radicalism...or that colleges are ignoring overt, hostile racism in thesis's...or that colleges are ignoring overt plagiarism (for protected students, anyway).

That Princeton wants to hide the thesis may or may not be related to the current political 2008 campaign...Their reasoning may be to hide far larger sins of their own faculty/administration.

18 posted on 02/22/2008 6:59:17 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: socialismisinsidious
She’s a loose cannon. A walking stereotyped loud-mouthed Marxist black woman. There is NO WAY to shut her up. She will destroy her husband. Just let the skank talk.
19 posted on 02/22/2008 7:01:14 AM PST by societygirl
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To: socialismisinsidious
how ‘bout the “irrelevancy" of Mrs. Hussein Obama...

she’s just another example of what American colleges & universities have been producing through their ani-American, antiwar, anti-military Commie indoctrination over the past 40 years...garbage in, garbage out!

Semper Fi,
Kelly

20 posted on 02/22/2008 7:02:31 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: jdm

What I’d like to read is Obama’s college thesis. I’ve done a search and am unable to locate one..


21 posted on 02/22/2008 7:04:29 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jdm
Just want to see the document and compare it to recent remarks.... that's fair, right?
22 posted on 02/22/2008 7:09:42 AM PST by pointsal
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To: jdm

Saul Alinsky... Hillary and Obamas mentor
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39a1bb090251.htm

Antonio Gramsci... Hillarys mentor
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a4c610569be.htm

Frank Marshall Davis... Obamas mentor
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=2008-02-20&ID=228129


23 posted on 02/22/2008 7:10:53 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kellynla
She probably wrote about how much she admired Castro, the racism, and sexism of white America, ad nasiem. In her own way, she is as dumb as Judi Giuliani, and that takes some doing. Probably DUMBER, as she should know better.
24 posted on 02/22/2008 7:11:17 AM PST by societygirl
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To: SE Mom

The guy was probably too drugged out to write one. NOTHING has changed.


25 posted on 02/22/2008 7:12:06 AM PST by societygirl
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To: societygirl

these clowns aren’t “dumb” they’re just “educated fools.”
college students have been indoctrinated in commie propaganda for decades!

“useful idiots!”


26 posted on 02/22/2008 7:13:57 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: jdm

It would appear that her husband’s intellect and world view has not matured since his Harvard days. Why would we expect his wife to have advanced her thought process past the idealistic views of a college campuses?


27 posted on 02/22/2008 7:15:22 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: jdm
Didn’t Hillary!™ do the same with her thesis?
28 posted on 02/22/2008 7:16:24 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: kellynla
Michelle Obama is just the fat, ugly, Communist black girl that white girls laughed at in high school... and STILL DO. Obama-mama. She would always respond by going ballistic, and the white girls STILL laughed at her.
29 posted on 02/22/2008 7:17:04 AM PST by societygirl
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To: ModelBreaker
Her thesis got out. It was a stupid list of stuff about Saul Alinsky. But she wrote so poorly, it had no real point. So there's not much juicy stuff there.

This is a clinton. What makes you sure what got out was really her thesis?

The real thesis could be far, far more damning.

30 posted on 02/22/2008 7:19:42 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: jdm

Come on, Hillary operatives, dig that one out by any means necessary!


31 posted on 02/22/2008 7:19:51 AM PST by gunservative
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To: null and void
Michelle Obama’s thesis might go along the line of her resenting that she is ugly, and has nappy hair.
32 posted on 02/22/2008 7:22:07 AM PST by societygirl
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To: SE Mom
What I’d like to read is Obama’s college thesis. I’ve done a search and am unable to locate one..

Please try to stay focused. We're talking about Michelle's thesis.

Pay no attention to the man in front of the curtain...

33 posted on 02/22/2008 7:24:24 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

Well, if she for example advocated a violent ressurection by minorities and doesn’t currently hold those beliefs (as I would expect) just let her say so. She’ll pay more for the secrecy..........


34 posted on 02/22/2008 7:24:41 AM PST by scannell
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To: jdm

When did Mrs. Obama declare her candidacy? Are we now running against the opposition’s entire family?


36 posted on 02/22/2008 7:27:00 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: scannell

They forget that people who advocate violence... will DIE by violence. Do these idiots ever learn? I remember black chicks in college always threatening violence, at the drop of a hat. However, when you took themup on it, they backed off. While everybody laughed at them.


37 posted on 02/22/2008 7:27:17 AM PST by societygirl
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To: gunservative
I can’t believe that there isn’t someone out there that has that thing. What about his opponents in his early elections, old Chicago Tribunes, something. This is going to be really freakin irritating if no one can read that until after the election.
38 posted on 02/22/2008 7:28:45 AM PST by Montana4Jesus
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To: jdm
"there's a time and a place for radical thought, and it's called college"

Yeah? I bet this a$$hole would not be saying that if it was a republican white man, who was a member of the KKK in college. I bet the univeristy would not lock his thesis either.

39 posted on 02/22/2008 7:29:20 AM PST by gedeon3
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To: purpleraine

She won’t shut up. She has made herself an open target.


40 posted on 02/22/2008 7:29:44 AM PST by societygirl
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To: purpleraine

She’s effectively running for First Lady, no? Do you want a foaming-at-the-mouth, America-hating racist First Lady in the White House?


41 posted on 02/22/2008 7:30:03 AM PST by jdm (The traffic lights turn blue tomorrow.)
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To: gedeon3

Didn’t hurt Byrd...oh, I forgot, He was a Democrat.


42 posted on 02/22/2008 7:30:47 AM PST by societygirl
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To: jdm
Do you want a foaming-at-the-mouth, America-hating racist First Lady in the White House?

Again?

43 posted on 02/22/2008 7:31:17 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: null and void
And, a fat, ugly loud-mouth, to boot?
44 posted on 02/22/2008 7:32:26 AM PST by societygirl
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To: SE Mom

You posted: What I’d like to read is Obama’s college thesis. I’ve done a search and am unable to locate one..
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It is likely that Obama never wrote any thesis. He went from undergrad to law school, I think. There is writing in law school, in the first year, but the topic is typically assigned. He may have written or edited law review articles, but seldom are the topics there anything that would get anyone (except the truly scholarly law students and professors— of which I was never one) excited.


45 posted on 02/22/2008 7:34:19 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: jdm

No, you don’t “run” for first lady.


46 posted on 02/22/2008 7:36:05 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: societygirl
I hate that when a candidates relative won't shut up.

What percentage of the population doi you thinks votes for the candidates spouse? However, this may be the first time we vote against a spouse, Willie.

47 posted on 02/22/2008 7:37:30 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: purpleraine

You posted: When did Mrs. Obama declare her candidacy? Are we now running against the opposition’s entire family?
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There would be no need to examine her writings if she were not actively campaigning and giving speeches on behalf of Obama, but since she has thrust herself into the campaign, I see no reason not to look at her writings. Obama’s choice of a wife may reflect his values.

On the other hand, I don’t think Mrs. McCain has given any speeches for John McCain, although she is always at his side. (Don’t take this as an endorsement of McCain by me, although I will support the GOP nominee against either Clinton or Obama.)


48 posted on 02/22/2008 7:39:12 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: jdm

I’m not ashamed of my master’s thesis. I’ve even uploaded it to my personal website so that others can download and read it.


49 posted on 02/22/2008 7:42:26 AM PST by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: NCLaw441

I see no reason. Her husband is a socialist. If her husband was a conservative, you would say it’s irrelevant. What more do you need to know. I think we should see what his aprents believe and what his kids are writing on trheir school papers.


50 posted on 02/22/2008 7:43:28 AM PST by purpleraine
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