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Cannon: Immigration fix is not the states' job
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | Feb. 21, 2008 | Sheena McFarland

Posted on 02/22/2008 8:40:31 AM PST by AuntB

Congressman Chris Cannon said the states shouldn't be dealing with immigration reform. "It's a federal problem," he said Wednesday in a meeting with the editorial board of The Salt Lake Tribune. He said he realizes the federal government needs to find a solution.

Cannon, a six-term Republican, pointed to the December 2006 immigration raids at Swift meat-packing plants, including one in Hyrum, Utah, calling them "inappropriate." Some 150 Latino undocumented workers at the Hyrum plant were arrested and many were deported.

He characterized the move as political. "The Republicans planned it for October so they could say 'Vote for me, I'm tough on immigration.' But then it didn't happen until December, so they ruined people's Christmas," said Cannon.

What also angered him was the fact that before the raid Swift had been fined $200,000 for "asking too many questions of Hispanics" and instead tried to use the federal Basic Employment Verification Pilot Program to attempt to identify undocumented workers.

They were raided anyway, and it cost them $30 million, he said.

Cannon brought up this fact to Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff when Cannon visited the U.S.-Mexico border last summer.

The reply he received from Chertoff? "That program doesn't work," said Cannon, adding he was shocked at the response.

Cannon worries that raiding only certain businesses, and often putting them out of business, will lead to graft.

"Arbitrary, capricious enforcement of a law results inexorably in corruption," he said.

But Cannon also is cautious to implement a program that does work, such as fingerprint identification for any job applicants, because it could infringe on civil liberties.

"Do we want to identify them? Then we would paralyze business," he said.

He worries about "shutting out" the 14 million or so undocumented workers from the economy.

"Do we want to keep them out of Wal-Mart? From buying shoes at the mall? From buying homes?" he asked. "We shouldn't destroy the economy by removing them from the economy."

Cannon was a key supporter of President Bush's failed immigration-reform proposal, which would have established a pathway to citizenship for undocumented workers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; cannon; immigrantlist; immigration; quisling
Chris Cannon Quisling alert.
1 posted on 02/22/2008 8:40:31 AM PST by AuntB
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To: AuntB
""Do we want to keep them out of Wal-Mart? From buying shoes at the mall? From buying homes?" he asked. "

YES, YES, and HELL YES. F*#k this guy and the horse he rode in on.

2 posted on 02/22/2008 8:46:09 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: AuntB
"Do we want to identify them? Then we would paralyze business,"

4 kids in Minnesota and 1 in Michigan, all killed by 2 illegal aliens working for a food processing plant and a greenhouse. All 5 of those kids were nothing but collateral damage for the sake of avoiding paralyzing business.
3 posted on 02/22/2008 8:47:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (Just call me M.O.M. (Maverick Opposed to McCain.))
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To: AuntB

Damn Fools.
Any excuse—ANY BLEEPING EXCUSE WHATSOEVER to excuse not doing their goddamn jobs!
We are SICK AND TIRED of this BS.
This goes for Juan McNutt, too!


4 posted on 02/22/2008 8:49:13 AM PST by Flintlock
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To: AuntB
Cannon: Immigration fix is not the states' job

The states have to do something because they are effected first and the feds certainly don't compensate the states for all the costs of the illegals.

As more and more states pass illgal imigrant laws, the illegals will relocate to states with fewer laws........ and pretty soon the thing will snowball and the feds will be left in the dust.

5 posted on 02/22/2008 8:49:20 AM PST by umgud
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To: AuntB

This a “pass the buck” response from Cannon. We can’t do it, the feds should do it. Someone plase do it, just don’t ask us to do it.....


6 posted on 02/22/2008 8:50:00 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: AuntB
Chris Cannon: "We have made it a matter of federal policy to not interfer with businesses hiring illegals at below market wages and passing the social costs of those illegals on to the states. Who in the hell do these state legislatures think they are trying to fight back?"
7 posted on 02/22/2008 8:52:52 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Rattenschadenfreude: joy at a Democrat's pain, especially Hillary's pain caused by Obama.)
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To: rednesss
""Do we want to keep them out of Wal-Mart? From buying shoes at the mall? From buying homes?" he asked. "

YES, YES, and HELL YES. F*#k this guy and the horse he rode in on.

And I guess Dumbas* Cannon is a McCain supporter

8 posted on 02/22/2008 9:05:47 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Everything except national security should be the states’ job.


9 posted on 02/22/2008 9:10:15 AM PST by WVNan
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To: org.whodat

It IS the state’s responsibility. For too many years states have ridden the federal governments gravy train. Federal funds in exchange for federal dominance. I would love to see us return to the limited government constitution. If you do not agree with a state’s rules, move and they will change according to market forces. Are the strains of the Constitution becoming louder and more clear?


10 posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:37 AM PST by momincombatboots (World changing power in the blood)
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To: AuntB

This POS has been in for SIX TERMS!! He’s an embarrassment to the state of Utah, why don’t they throw the bastard out? I’ll tel you. Because not enough Mormons are bothered by the Invasion by Mexico. It’s a cultural thing. They probably want to CONVERT them, as many Mexicans in Mexico apparently have been so converted to Mormonism. In other words, Mormons don’t see them as “lawbreakers” but rather as future members of their religion...


11 posted on 02/22/2008 9:12:11 AM PST by levotb
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To: AuntB
"It's a federal problem,"

This is the only thing I agree with him on. Securing our borders is one of the few things the Federal Goverment SHOULD do. Instead, they spend their time, energy and resources on things they SHOULDN't do.

12 posted on 02/22/2008 9:13:06 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: AuntB
Actually it could be the local governments job..
Pass a few codes that make it illegal to rent to or sell real estate to illegal aliens.. Oh! yes and for a buinesses to occupy property that HIRES illegal aliens..

All legal of course because its already illegal to be illegal aliens.. They raise hell about smoke alarms why not illegal aliens.. Those illegals can kill you too..

13 posted on 02/22/2008 9:17:17 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: momincombatboots
It IS the state’s responsibility.

Which state? After all, the illegals in my state aren't coming from Canada, they're crossing the southern border and several other states to get here.
14 posted on 02/22/2008 9:18:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (Just call me M.O.M. (Maverick Opposed to McCain.))
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To: AuntB

Time to fire the Cannon again. Looks like in 2006 we tried to but the shills here (later turned out to be Rudybots) stopped it.


15 posted on 02/22/2008 9:18:55 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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To: levotb
He’s an embarrassment to the state of Utah, why don’t they throw the bastard out?

We tried to in 2006 but got drowned out. Do a search for Cannon in 2006. The threads then were very chaotic.

16 posted on 02/22/2008 9:23:08 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Thank you, Mike Huckabee, for giving us John McCain)
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To: AuntB

Mr. Cannon: The Federal Government has abandoned the position of controller of our borders and protector of our sovereignty. They have walked away from the job. The several states have no choice but to defend themselves.


17 posted on 02/22/2008 9:23:42 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: AuntB

We need to keep this article bookmarked for the next time Cannon runs. Last time he won by pretending to be strong on immigration, which was a lie. He didn’t learn a thing.


18 posted on 02/22/2008 9:25:37 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: levotb

No true. The people of this state are furious about illegal immigration. There’s a bill in the legislature now. Cannon shifted his position during the last election. He got a strong challenge from a unknown who was attacking him on immigration.


19 posted on 02/22/2008 9:26:53 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: AuntB
What also angered him was the fact that before the raid Swift had been fined $200,000 for "asking too many questions of Hispanics" and instead tried to use the federal Basic Employment Verification Pilot Program to attempt to identify undocumented workers.

This should be what really angers him, not what also angers him.

The PC feel-good crowd should not be able to sue or fine businesses because requests for documentation to show they are in the country legally makes certain ethnic groups feel uncomfortable.

It is not about feelings and comfort, dammit, it is about national security! It is not about making certain ethnic groups feel unwelcome or uncomfortable, it is about enforcing the law.

Could I refuse to respond to an IRS letter or questions because it makes me feel uncomfortable? Dealing with these SOBs makes me feel uncomfortable. Can I sue them because I think they are targeting me as a legal American citizen?

20 posted on 02/22/2008 9:28:01 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: AuntB

Mr. Cannon: The Federal Government has abandoned the position of controller of our borders and protector of our sovereignty. They have walked away from the job. The several states have no choice but to defend themselves.


21 posted on 02/22/2008 9:28:15 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: AuntB

Another fat, jowly white guy telling us how we are supposed to accept illegals invading our country.

He must be afraid of losing his maids and butlers.

22 posted on 02/22/2008 9:29:00 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: AuntB

Is this a RINO alert?


23 posted on 02/22/2008 9:31:24 AM PST by ScratInTheHat (Don't like my immigration stance? I'm dyslexic. PC keeps sounding like BS to me!)
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To: levotb
They probably want to CONVERT them, as many Mexicans in Mexico apparently have been so converted to Mormonism. In other words, Mormons don’t see them as “lawbreakers” but rather as future members of their religion...

Same as many of the catholics, they put them selves above their fellow citizens.

24 posted on 02/22/2008 9:34:34 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: levotb
As California slides into a Third World sh*thole, anyone with money and/or moxie is moving out. NV, Utah, and Oregon are the receiving states for the most part. Construction is still doing very well in Utah as the refugees pour in.

Without that 'outside' money, Utah (and southern Oregon) would be like Appalachia.

25 posted on 02/22/2008 9:36:04 AM PST by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: lady lawyer
He got a strong challenge from a unknown who was attacking him on immigration.

Well he's a real nut case then, everyone of the rinos that went to the left on this issue have lost.

26 posted on 02/22/2008 9:36:48 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: AuntB

“Six term Republican”

Anyone wonder why the Republicans lost in 2006, and will lose even bigger in 2008?

The in-your-face arrogance of Cannon and McCain on immigration is why conservatives who value the law, not the profits, are increasingly out of the Republican elitist fold.

Eventually, they will get the message.

Meanwhile, get ready for some bad times.


27 posted on 02/22/2008 9:58:33 AM PST by oldbill
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To: ScratInTheHat
No, just another member of the treason lobby.

Treason Lobby

28 posted on 02/22/2008 10:05:23 AM PST by stratboy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Time to fire the Cannon again. Looks like in 2006 we tried to but the shills here (later turned out to be Rudybots) stopped it.

And because of shills like you we have McCain : (

Good luck with Obama as President.

29 posted on 02/22/2008 10:12:31 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: AuntB

I wish I lived in his district, so I could vote against this Nimrod.


30 posted on 02/22/2008 10:15:02 AM PST by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: levotb
This POS has been in for SIX TERMS!! He’s an embarrassment to the state of Utah, why don’t they throw the bastard out? I’ll tel you. Because not enough Mormons are bothered by the Invasion by Mexico. It’s a cultural thing. They probably want to CONVERT them, as many Mexicans in Mexico apparently have been so converted to Mormonism. In other words, Mormons don’t see them as “lawbreakers” but rather as future members of their religion...

As a "Mormon" (Latter Day Saint) I suspect much of what you say is correct.

31 posted on 02/22/2008 10:17:10 AM PST by Scourge of God (Pretty Stupid, Evil Stupid, or Old Stupid -- is this the best our country can find for President?)
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To: LeGrande
Good luck with Obama as President.

If I'm going to get screwed I would rather it was someone that did not claim he was from my side, thank you!

And maybe the republicans will grow a back bone, but they damn sure want if you don't give them the incentive. Voting for a left is voting for a lefty, it doesn't matter what letter he puts in front of his name.

32 posted on 02/22/2008 10:19:27 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: AuntB

If all they immigrated to were DC, then yes this guy would be correct.


33 posted on 02/22/2008 10:23:04 AM PST by NoLibZone (If the Clinton years were so great, why is Osama doing so well?)
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To: AuntB
He worries about "shutting out" the 14 million or so undocumented workers from the economy.

What we really need to do is shut them out of the country.

"Do we want to keep them out of Wal-Mart? From buying shoes at the mall? From buying homes?" he asked. "We shouldn't destroy the economy by removing them from the economy."

This is the height of idiocy, since (as a group) illegal aliens cost America far more than they "contribute".

34 posted on 02/22/2008 10:31:21 AM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: org.whodat
And maybe the republicans will grow a back bone, but they damn sure want if you don't give them the incentive. Voting for a left is voting for a lefty, it doesn't matter what letter he puts in front of his name.

I wish you were wrong :( but you aren't.

In my experience, an enemy masquerading as my friend is much more dangerous than an open and honest enemy.

35 posted on 02/22/2008 11:21:53 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: umgud

When amnesty is passed, that won’t matter. New Americans will be able to live in whatever state they choose.


36 posted on 02/22/2008 11:31:24 AM PST by End Times Crusader (John McCain - Leadership in the face of a resurgent Russia)
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To: 3niner
This is the height of idiocy, since (as a group) illegal aliens cost America far more than they "contribute".

Proof?
37 posted on 02/22/2008 11:51:04 AM PST by End Times Crusader (John McCain - Leadership in the face of a resurgent Russia)
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To: End Times Crusader

Try Googling.

BTW, we pinged you yesterday to join us in the thread about those kids killed by an illegal alien in Minnesota. I’m shocked you lacked the guts to participate in the discussion (yes, that’s sarcasm).

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55135


38 posted on 02/22/2008 12:01:54 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu

A tragic event. I hope the perpetrator is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Now, why don’t you go dig up some story of a documented American killing several people, or do you only care about the victims when the perp is undocumented?


39 posted on 02/22/2008 12:15:44 PM PST by End Times Crusader (John McCain - Leadership in the face of a resurgent Russia)
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To: End Times Crusader
This has been explained to you many times, but you’re too dishonest to address the realities of the issue.

The most important reality is this: ILLEGAL ALIENS AREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. Therefore, any deaths they cause would have been prevented by keeping them out. Any deaths they cause are by definition ABOVE AND BEYOND any deaths that otherwise would occur.

Suppose I’m the principal of a high school. The law in my town forbids anyone from entering school property unless they are a student, staff member, or on authorized business. But as principal, I ignore that law and start allowing people off the street to hang out in the hallways, to eat for free in the cafeteria, to get free treatment from the school nurse, and other such nonsense. I justify it by arguing that they’re “needy” and that, on occasion, they help out a little around the school with repair work (they work cheaper than if I brought in an legitimate contractor).

One day, one of these unauthorized people, hanging out in the hallways illegally, kills your child. Are you saying that I, as principal, who knowingly allowed this person into the school in violation of the law, would have no responsibility for this crime? Would you say, “Golly, gee whiz, my child is dead, but really it could’ve happened anyway. There are cases where kids are killed at school by other kids. I have no reason to be upset with Principal Puroresu for allowing vagrants to hang out in the halls. I mean, after all, they needed meals and health care and some of them painted the bleachers for below minimum wage."

If you would say such a thing, you’d be a damn fool.

40 posted on 02/22/2008 12:33:32 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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41 posted on 02/22/2008 12:34:42 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: AuntB

By analogy, wasn’t all that Nazi business that so upset Europe a League of Nations problem? Cannon would no doubt have wanted the U.S. government to stay out of it. After all, he wouldn’t want to keep those poor Nazis from buying Zyklon-B at the local factory.


42 posted on 02/22/2008 1:28:32 PM PST by a_different_conservative
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To: End Times Crusader
I'm not going to play that game with someone who obviously wants to lie about the problem, but here's a tidbit.

There are at least 5 million children of illegal aliens attending public schools in the U.S. each year. American schools spend an average of somewhat more than $8,000 per year per student to "educate" children who are fluent in English, and about 20% more for children who are not fluent in English. This works out to about 40 billion dollars a year for a very conservative estimate.

That number alone exceeds all of the taxes that are estimated as being paid by illegal aliens, and is only one of several major costs associated with their illegal presence here.

If you were really interested in the truth, you could estimate these many costs and few benefits for yourself. Since you are not, no amount of "proof" will convince you.

43 posted on 02/22/2008 2:23:59 PM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: AuntB
Memo To Congressman Chris Cannon:
Typical Idiot!
Click the Pic

44 posted on 02/22/2008 2:28:22 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: AuntB

He says what John McCain thinks


45 posted on 02/22/2008 4:03:45 PM PST by dennisw (Never bet on a false prophet! <<<<<||||>>>>> Never bet on Islam!)
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To: AuntB

Jabba the Nut bloviates again.


46 posted on 02/22/2008 6:24:03 PM PST by Regulator (And What Will America Look Like Under Chief Obama? Zimbabwe)
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To: AuntB
Yeah, this Cannon is a Quisling.

But he also proves that even Pat Buchanan can be a correct Cassandra once in a while. It was Pat who said,

"Nothing will ever be done about illegal immigration.
It's cheap votes for the Democrats
and cheap labor for the Republicans."

There is simply no way around the arithmetic, Aunt B. We live in the hemisphere's newest Latin American country. Maybe we'll luck out and be more like Chile than Bolivia, but it sure doesn't look that way. Even if all illegal (and legal) immigration from the southern countries were to stop tonight, very shortly 1/3 of our population, or more, will be Hispanic.

47 posted on 02/23/2008 8:00:24 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Dream Tickets: Gore/Obama vs. Petraeus/Blackwell.)
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To: End Times Crusader
Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts by Robert E. Rector

Of adult immigrants, 31 percent have not completed high school, compared to 8 percent of natives. Since 2000, immigration increased the number of workers without a high school diploma by 14 percent, and all other workers by 3 percent.

The share of immigrants and natives who are college graduates is about the same. Immigrants were once much more likely than natives to be college graduates.

The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 33 percent, compared to 19 percent for native households.

The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 17 percent, nearly 50 percent higher than the rate for natives and their children.

34 percent of immigrants lack health insurance, compared to 13 percent of natives. Immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for 71 percent of the increase in the uninsured since 1989.

Immigrants make significant progress over time. But even those who have been here for 20 years are more likely to be in poverty, lack insurance, or use welfare than are natives.

The primary reason for the high rates of immigrant poverty, lack of health insurance, and welfare use is their low education levels, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work.

48 posted on 02/23/2008 8:06:45 AM PST by kabar
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