Posted on 02/22/2008 10:57:19 AM PST by Bokababe
By Ali H. Alyami, Ph. D., Executive Director, The Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi Arabia
Why isn’t the International community up in arms about “Kosovo” becoming independent and declaring its Independence when Kurdistan has legal precedence and it seems no one gives a damn for its Independence but the Kurds?
Simple, because the House of Saud and other feudal rich Sheikhs are behind the move for the independence of Kosovo. It’s a Sunni Wahhabi enclave now.
Millions of southern Sudani Christians fought for independence from the Thugs in Khartoum for 20 years and lost. Why? Because the Saudis were against their independence as they are now in favor of butchering people in Darfur.
The Saudis forced NATO to wage a war against the Serbs to get out of Kosovo.
The Saudis are supporting the new Muslim government in Turkey, and now Turkey is reintroducing the black Hijab in schools and Parliament.
The Saudis are working with some Kurds and support the deadly Wahhabi funded Islamist terrorist Ansar Al-Islam to terrorize the mostly tolerant and democratic Kurdish Sunni Muslims.
More of the same will ensue while the international community begs for the Saudi oil and money.
All roads must pass through Riyadh. Go after the root cause of the problem if you want to solve it.
The more I see of Jorge’s recent actions, the more I believe in the escape compound in Paraguay.
He’s poking all the hornet’s nests around the world.
But you can rest assured that anything the hornets do after all that poking will not be "our fault."
Without Bush’s acquiesence, the Saudis wouldn’t be able to engage in such perfidity.
>>Why isn’t the International community up in arms about “Kosovo” becoming independent and declaring its Independence when Kurdistan has legal precedence and it seems no one gives a damn for its Independence but the Kurds?<<
I’m sure they would answer: Because Turkey hasn’t done ethinic cleansing in Kurdistan while Iraqi Kurds have full rights and safety within the new Iraq and Sadaam has been killed.
But the truth is that is that we have strong reasons to not want to see Turkey and Iraq split up - reasons that have to do with legitimate core American self interest.
>>Who’s this guy cavorting with the Saudi’s?<<
What’s the alternative?
President Carter put human rights and self determination over alliance with an Arab dictator and we are still paying for that.
That sounds like the same garbage an apologist for the 9/11 terrorists would say.
A simple observation of cause and effect in foreign policy decisions - such as we’re witnessing in the burning of the US Embassy in Belgrade in the wake of US recognition of the terrorist enclave in Kosovo - is not an apology for the 9/11 terrorists.
What, you think the Serbs just decided to attack and burn the US Embassy for no reason? On a lark?
Is that the Shah? - I don’t recognize him.
>>Go after the root cause of the problem if you want to solve it.
Why start now.
Just because the Saudis fund worldwide jihad through their “private” charities - how is a charity private in a theocratic totalitarian monarchy - doesn’t mean we should kill the golden goose.
The Saudis are simply too important to America to allow the deaths of thousands in the USA to impede the Saudi Gravy Train.
Inshallah.
"Berg and Perlman? Never heard of them."
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Wonder what Carter says now about him.
That’s the same type of question a 9/11 apologist would ask about al qaeda.
>>yes, that’s him
Wonder what Carter says now about him.<<
I’m just guessing but I would bet that he stands by his decision - that the principle of the people being allowed to overthrow a dictator is more important than the practical consequences to the U.S.
And that the principle of providing medical care to the ailing Shah was also more important than whether it pissed off the Islamofacists.
Its why I cannot hate President Carter even though he was the weakest and 3rd worst President of my lifetime (behind LBJ and Nixon).
Kosovo Serb Demonstrators that canuck conservative described as "drunken Serbian thugs" . Seems pretty damned lucid to me -- and right on the money!
I guess it’s useful to remind Russia she should be wary of the ME. She gets in bed with Iran and delivers the destabilizing nuclear tech, we give autonomy to people living next to people that are your dear old friends. Salud!
some of you really need to get a geo political clue. you think the us is doing to this to strengthen anyone other than the US’s hand? Please.
Google kosovo wahhabi and be much enlightened.
That made my day!
nope....we supported them because bj put the US on the wrong side of the war....supposedly to protect the poor down trodden muzzies...and who said...the US troops would be home by Christmas????
how come the piaps and b. hussein are so silent on kosovo???
Just keep repeating to yourself - "foreigners hate us because they hate our freedom, foreigners hate us because they hate our freedom..."
I’m not going to say what I think of Bush and the Saudi’s, honestly, it is beyond words.
You know, sometimes I do think it’s our fault that half the world hates us, we just don’t do the right thing, this damn oil issue has been going on for too long, let’s just go freakin’ take it and take it all, I’m serious.
Follow the money. Is that statement EVER wrong?
At some point, it will be cheaper just to annex the Kingdom. Whatever it cost, it will be cheaper.
Yep. Kosovo has been bought and paid for by Saudi money.
I bet it is also why we will never become oil or energy independent. And why we still let in Saudi’s to go to school in this country. We don’t have a country anymore. We’ve been bought and paid for, don’t you know?
I see a very large difference between "blame America first and for everything" verses us taking responsibility for ourselves and recognizing that America is a very powerful nation, whose policies often mean "life & death" to many people -- the motives of political leadership is not always honest, decent or fair, because those leaders are all too often motivated by greed, envy and ego. The problem is that anytime someone questions that today, their patriotism gets questioned!
“Just keep repeating to yourself - “foreigners hate us because they hate our freedom, foreigners hate us because they hate our freedom...””
This is true. Certainly not all foreigners, but in the case of the islamofascists. We are fighting an ideological struggle. The Islamofascists despise democracy (a filthy greek import into the Muslim world, as described by Zarqari). The whole concept of freedom and liberty is abhorrent to Al Qaeda and the islamofascists.
The fabulously mineral-rich Trepca mining complex (Stari Trg) in Kosovo is my best guess as to why they decided to become independent.
It’s a local economic control issue, not a global conspiracy.
When East Timor wanted to gain independence, Indonesia initially wouldn’t let them. That was because East Timor has the major gas & oil fields, in that area.
Again, not some vague, abstract global political clash, just about more localized control of resources.
FYI.
Yes, remember when one of the rationales used for not doing anything about the Saudis was that any action against them would result in high gas prices?
Well, we’re in Year 3 of $3 a gallon gasoline.
And that’s not remotely touching upon the human cost of the tragedy that is wahhab expansionism.
Wonder if Posner was on to anything when he claimed the Saudis has boobynuked the oil wells to preclude any action against them.
Holding hands no less.
Pahlavi like other Iranians was not an Arab. They are Persians.
You'd prefer $10 a gallon gasoline?
>>President Carter put human rights and self determination over alliance with an Arab dictator.
Good point.
I looked up Iran on the CIA site.
>>Ethnic groups:
Definition Field Listing
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%<<
I don’t recognize Azeri or Gilaki and Mazandarani
No, of course not.
But ignoring the essential wellspring of Sunni jihadism, while concocting some cockeyed notion of a war on an effing tactic, with no end in sight, listening to blatherings about a long, multigenerational war when we do not have the stones or intelligence to deal decisively with a threat that could be dealt with swiftly, instead saddling our descendants with current gas prices and an endless war where we spend decades killing lowlevel jihadis but ignore the fount, yes, I’d take high gas prices for a few year, if you think dealing with Magic Kingdom would have taken that long.
OTH, maybe Posner has a point. It’s not lack of stones or intelligence or simple greed that stops us, but the Saudi version of MAD.
I would guess they are some kind of archaic quasi-persian ethnicity. Kurds are one such ethnicity, IIRC.
>>I would guess they are some kind of archaic quasi-persian ethnicity. Kurds are one such ethnicity, IIRC.<<
Looking around I found 24% of the Iranian population speaks Turkish but only 2% are ethnic Turkman - it made me wonder if those are two other kinds of Turkish...
WTH is that? MAD my ass. The wahabbi game plan is death to infidels. THere’s no “mutual” about it. Fifty years from now kosovo will be a fortress populated by rich and powerful radical muslims AND a member of the EU wielding substantial clout.
Azeri > Azerbaijan-is. Really an integral part of Royal Persia till the Czars carved out a chunk for themselves.
Well, a turkish man and a turkoman(aka turkman) are not the same thing. Turkomen come from the former soviet nation turkmenistan, or something like that. I forget the actual name of the country.
But now that you mention it, I bet you are correct. “Azeri-turk” sounds real familiar. I think it is a real ethnicity.
Thank you both.
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