Posted on 02/22/2008 2:20:34 PM PST by Delacon
Why are Republicans in Congress trying to help Barack Obama?
Republicans allowed a bill that carries his name, among nine others, to pass the Senate Foreign Relations Committee by voice vote last week – without any hearings. That means there was no roll-call vote so no member can be held accountable. The same bill passed the House by voice vote last year.
The Obama bill passed out of committee with the cooperation of the co-sponsor, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind. A Rhodes scholar like former President Bill Clinton, Lugar has never seen a United Nations enhancement he didn't like.
Obama's costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill (S. 2433), which could come up in the Senate any day, is called the Global Poverty Act. It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts, which is at least $30 billion over and above the exorbitant and wasted sums we already give away overseas.
The bipartisan bill would require the president "to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day."
The bill's other co-sponsors include Sens. Joseph Biden, D-Del., Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., Chris Dodd, D-Conn., Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Russ Feingold, D-Wis., Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., Charles Hagel, R-Neb., and Robert Mendez, D-N.J.
We should be on guard any time politicians use the word "comprehensive," an umbrella word that always shades a lot of mischief. The notion that U.S. taxpayers should or could cut in half the number of people worldwide who live in poverty by 2015 is ridiculous.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Yeah, keep saying support the party vote for McCain... this is the kind of crap you get when you compromise your principles for party unity and you have no means to complain much less combat it.
Sodomy, Socialism and Surrender. The more things change...
What are we doing here people? Is there anyone out there? What happened to WE THE PEOPLE?
This is wealth redistribution, plain and simple. We are being screwed by our own.
Saul Alinsky... Hillary and Obamas mentor
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39a1bb090251.htm
Antonio Gramsci... Hillarys mentor
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a4c610569be.htm
Frank Marshall Davis... Obamas mentor
http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=2008-02-20&ID=228129
btt
We The People are nothing more than worker ants now,,
Lugar has always been a squish-head, and now he is senile old squish-head.
What are the House and Senate rules for demanding a recorded vote? Can the Dems just have a voice vote whenever they feel like it, or can one member raise a point of order and demand a recorded vote. If the second, then I am even more disgusted than usual at the Republicans who have Potomac Fever and don't want to make waves. Everything Congress does should have a recorded vote. I don't want a resolution naming Broccoli Appreciation Day passed on a voice vote, much less giving away nearly a trillion dollars of our nations treasure.
13.2 * .007 * (10^12) = 92 400 000 000
Looks like that would be 90 billion dollars. Anybody know where we can see how much we spend of foreign aid now?
I think its 20 billion just for Israel and Egypt. I would think that with Iraq we are already over 90 billion.
They made it clear they are embarrassed by conservatives, as during the imbroglio over Shamnesty. They were hand in glove with democrats trying to give the country away and were mad that conservatives spoke up.
You don’t see republicans working to get McCain to mend fences with conservatives, do you?
No.
They are all busy telling conservatives to drop their principles and support McCain.
“Looks like that would be 90 billion dollars.”
Some have put the tab for this bill at $845 billion.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974711/posts
It would be kind of a stretch to count your $90 billion iraq money as part of foreign aid funds destined to fight global poverty. Not impossible, but it would be a stretch...
The biggest problem with this legislation, apart from the underhanded way it’s moving through the process, is that is abrogates US sovereignty and assesses these funds in the name of the UN, to be spent according to UN directives and agreements springing out of the Monterrey conference several years ago.
For my part, get us out of the UN and get the UN out of the US.
I called Vionivich’s office this week to inquire as to the senators view on this bill. The staffer replied the bill was not ready for vote and therefore ol George did not have a view. I left my comments knowing it does not matter to these elites. I bet you when it is all said and done, Vionivich will vote yea....
We’re not gonna be able to kick them out with McCain, Obama or Clinton in office.
Have you noticed the Bush administration is quiet on this?
There are two kinds of republicans. World Government republicans and then conservatives. Unfortunately Bush and McCain fall into the former.
>>“Looks like that would be 90 billion dollars.”
Some have put the tab for this bill at $845 billion.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974711/posts<<
Well.... since I looked up the GDP on a government web site and then used the Google calculator and showed my work, I am reasonably comfortable that whomever did the calculations in the other thread is by a factor of 10.
To do a rough estimate ... suppose the GDP is an even 13 trillion. 10% would be 1.3 trillion. 1% would be 130 billion so 7/10 of 1% would be less than 100 billion.
The google calculator will also do the math in terms of percent
13 * (10^12) * (.7%) = 91 000 000 000
and even words
.7% of 13 trillion = 91 000 000 000
True...but I can dream.
.7% of 13 trillion = 91 000 000 000
Per the CIA Factbook for 2007 (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html)
US GDP = $13.86 Trillion
multiply by .007 = $97,020,000,000
multiply by 13 years = $1,261,260,000,000,000
>>multiply by 13 years<<
I missed the part about this being over 13 years.
>>multiply by 13 years = $1,261,260,000,000,000<<
Agreed.
Which makes the GOP’s numbers odd.
>>Some of the politicians on Capitol Hill regularly and sometimes secretly attach costly “earmarks” to bills to benefit special interests. Since Senator John McCain says he wants to eliminate those earmarks, he should start with the Barack Obama bill, the Global Poverty Act (S. 2344), which itself is a vastly expanded form of earmark. It commits the U.S. to spending $845 billion to eradicate poverty in the rest of the world. McCain could vote on the bill fairly soon because it could come up for a full Senate vote at any time. Where does he stand on it?<<
Maybe they are figuring an Obama administration will decrease the GDP by a third.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/ckincaid/2008/ck_0221p.shtml
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974711/posts
Hey Phyllis, is this the same plan as the Bush-McCain plan?
>>Ten cents more per year to the UN is way too much.<<
Please tell me this money doesn’t go through the U.N..... :(
BTTT
$13.86 is the ‘07 GDP. The original calculation probably uses the actual GDPs for 2002 - 2006 with an estimation of the outlying years from 2008 - 2015, so the variance may lie within the past years and possible estmation of a slower growth for future years.
Let's see. Do the Republicans control the committee?
How retarded is it to blame the Republicans for something passing out of committee that they have ZERO chance of blocking in committee?
Pretty damn retarded.
You can't filibuster something in committee.
This site is becoming disgusting in blaming Republicans for things Democrats do.
Retarded.
Just declare this forum a third party site and get it over with.
Ooops! I forgot to include a link to one of the “original” recent articles from AIM:
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/
“Republicans allowed a bill that carries his name, among nine others, to pass the Senate Foreign Relations Committee by voice vote last week – without any hearings. That means there was no roll-call vote so no member can be held accountable. The same bill passed the House by voice vote last year.
The Obama bill passed out of committee with the cooperation of the co-sponsor, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind. A Rhodes scholar like former President Bill Clinton, Lugar has never seen a United Nations enhancement he didn’t like.”
The voice vote was pubbie approved.
Do you see the same pattern here that I do?
I see your point, but shouldn’t the republicans on the committee screamed bloody murder about this and oppose it without any hesitation? Instead, it seem as though they just sighed, shrugged their shoulders, and let this crap flow on through without the sligtest challenge.
It’s the lack of a backbone that’s the core issue here....we are already acting like we are back in the 1980’s when our own Illinois House Minority Leader Bob Michael was ok with being a loser.
A billion here a billion there. A trillion and we are talking real money.
Its a bipartisan bill ya idjit.
Yes......I most certainly do.
The Obama bill passed out of committee with the cooperation of the co-sponsor, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind. A Rhodes scholar like former President Bill Clinton, Lugar has never seen a United Nations enhancement he didn't like.Obama's costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill (S. 2433), which could come up in the Senate any day, is called the Global Poverty Act. It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts, which is at least $30 billion over and above the exorbitant and wasted sums we already give away overseas.
Kiss off, pal. Just because Chuck Hagel was the lone Republican to "co-author" the bill, we should blame all Republicans?
Yeah, that's real bi-partisan. Yeah, the Republicans really screwed us because Chuck Hagel did something stupid, which couldn't have been stopped anyway.
Some really deep thinking going on in your head.
Bite me ahole. This bill hasn’t been significantly opposed by republican congressmen. Our republican congressmen suck and so do their appologist like you.
We don't generally refer to our senators as congressmen, but I imagine that's too subtle for you.
Continue your anti-Republican tirade. I'm sure that will help the Democrats, which probably is your goal, anyway.
Sure as hell don't blame the Democrats for a bill that they overwhelmingly support and the Republicans were powerless to prevent getting out of committee. That would involve some logic.
What do you want out of this argument moron? You want this bill to pass? You want a Obama kudo? You want a big gov’t bill? You want to remain an idiot protecting republican legislators?
Yes senators are referred to as congressmen. Ya idiot.
Okay, I’m an asshole and an idiot, and you are a genius and somehow blaming the right people for a bill which came out of a totally Democrat-controlled committee.
With your charm and intelligence, I’m sure you can head up the new party which will defeat the Democrats. I’ll bet you’re good-looking, too.
What’s the name of your new party, genius?
“With your charm and intelligence, I’m sure you can head up the new party which will defeat the Democrats. I’ll bet you’re good-looking, too.
What’s the name of your new party, genius?”
It will still be called the Republican party. Cons will take back the party. Nobody who is a con should be defending this bill. Nobody should be defending republicans who are, as we speak, allowing this bill to hit the senate floor. You dont seem be too upset by that. That makes you a non con because this bill so fundamentally against conservative princibles. People should pick themselves up. If we cant spread that message as conservatives to our own people then what does it say when we pay to help other people avoid doing that?
You will not find anything I’ve said on this thread in support of this bill.
I’ve been posting on this forum for nearly ten years, and you have the audacity to call me a non-conservative simply because I won’t let you smear the entire Republican Party over a bill that hasn’t even gotten to the floor yet and which they were powerless to prevent.
I ask you, how with your short posting history, am I going to be able to differentiate you from a liberal troll coming here to sow dissent among Republicans?
Who is really defending conservatives on this thread?
I’ll never defend Chuck Hagel, but he is NOT the Republican Party.
We ought to pick a few little pocketable nations with good tourist facilities and spend the money keeping them safe and affordable for American tourists; and screw the rest of the world. They will get over it and shape up once they figure out that there is no free ride. Countries have the choice of governments, economic, and social systems and they pretty much get what they ought to based on the choices they make. Life’s tough in the real world.
>>We ought to pick a few little pocketable nations with good tourist facilities and spend the money keeping them safe and affordable for American tourists; and screw the rest of the world. They will get over it and shape up once they figure out that there is no free ride. Countries have the choice of governments, economic, and social systems and they pretty much get what they ought to based on the choices they make. Life’s tough in the real world.<<
That’s a great idea.. Also I thought we should count the money we give Israel, Egypt and Iraq - that would probably put us over right there.
No matter who’s at the helm, they would all sell this country’s sovereignty. Open the flood gates and let everybody and their brother in.
“You will not find anything I’ve said on this thread in support of this bill.”
Yeah right. You’re first inclination was to defend republicans of the demerits of this bill. You are one heck of a conservative.
“I’ve been posting on this forum for nearly ten years, and you have the audacity to call me a non-conservative simply because I won’t let you smear the entire Republican Party over a bill that hasn’t even gotten to the floor yet and which they were powerless to prevent.”
Yeah and McCain has been a “conservative” for 30 years and a hero to boot. I don’t think its audacity to accuse someone who takes a tepid response to this bill. I’ll say it. I’ll say what has been said by conservatives like Derbyshire over at National Review with whom I agree. Republicans these days are ok with big government. Your defense of republicans makes me think you of like mind. In case you haven’t got it, I am smearing the entire republican party. Justifiable so. The republican party gave us big government Bush in 2000 against big government McCain. And now McCain in 08. The republican party destroyed the momentum of 94 victory. The republican party destroyed any claim towards ethics and accountability in 06. I could go on and on about how the republican party that enjoyed the benefits of a conservative moment that started under Reagan ran it into the ground in just 6 years tops. Yeah you are a republican. Keep on defending them.
“I ask you, how with your short posting history, am I going to be able to differentiate you from a liberal troll coming here to sow dissent among Republicans?”
Well trolls tend to insult first. If anyone wants to go back on this tread, they will find that you were the first with the insults and the name calling .
“How retarded is it to blame the Republicans for something passing out of committee that they have ZERO chance of blocking in committee? Pretty damn retarded. You can’t filibuster something in committee. This site is becoming disgusting in blaming Republicans for things Democrats do.
Retarded.”
“Who is really defending conservatives on this thread?”
Me, you republican(as its now defined).
“I’ll never defend Chuck Hagel, but he is NOT the Republican Party.”
Comments are invited on this observation. And you call yourself a con?
Unfortunately, you are correct, pph. It really no longer matters, they have an agenda, and they’re going to ram it down our collective throats.
You’re all over the place here.
You claim that you want to retake the Republican party. Okay, fine. I think you’re a nut, but taking back the party from losers like Chuck Hagel is probably something we could agree upon.
You don’t retake the party by insulting and demolishing it.
That’s what you should be doing to Democrats, and why that’s foreign to you, I don’t know. Perhaps you do.
I never responded to the merits of this bill because the main thing I noticed was your reply #1 which wrongfully and shamefully put the blame on Republicans. You can’t defend that either factually or logically. And you sure can’t reconcile it with your tepid defense of the Republican Party you have spent this entire thread tearing apart.
Why did you post this thread if your comment was to blame Republicans? One FRICKIN’ Republican who is a known RINO signed onto this bill. ONE.
You deliberately ignored all the Democrats who sponsored it. You deliberately ignored the realities of the situation as to whether this could pass their committee.
Why did you do that?
Who exactly is your enemy here?
I am a conservative. You are a troll. Up yours.
Yep, it's out of our hands. We're working on getting local and state conservatives elected.
This country is going to get very dicey. Only thing I can think of is load up, stock up and wait for the STHTF.
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