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Infanticide Goes Mainstream and Why Prolife Arguments Need an Update
LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/22/08 | John Jalsevac

Posted on 02/22/2008 4:39:08 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: redgolum

I wrote a short novel (Evil Interrupted) dealing with the issues underlying the new perspectives which embrace exploiting embryo-aged people and exploiting cloning technology. I tied it into the abortion industry and exploitation of females (using their organs without consent). There is zero market for this revelaing approach. I would love to see a movie of the story and I think people would pay to watch it, but the perspective is not the PC one governing our current society.


21 posted on 02/22/2008 5:38:34 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: redgolum

Yet these same people who call for murdering undesirable children scream loudly when murdering adults are on death row?


22 posted on 02/22/2008 5:39:07 PM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: MHGinTN

Have you seen the move The Island?

What you describe sounds similar to the themes in this movie.


23 posted on 02/22/2008 5:40:46 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

Nope, I’ll have to google it. I don’t go to movie theaters.


24 posted on 02/22/2008 5:47:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Years ago it became clear to many within the Pro-Life Movement that the cult of death would never be satisfied with “only” abortion.

The cult of death wants to kill at all age groups--and without pause.

If the Dems win the White House and expand to a working majority in the legislature the death cult will have great opportunity to expand.

John McCain is a RINO but I have to vote for him in the general to stop what would happen as outlined above.

25 posted on 02/22/2008 5:48:40 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: MHGinTN

It’s a bit gruesome in parts, but I was really surprised to see a movie with pro-life themes like this come out of Hollywood.

Another goody we came upon was Children of Men.


26 posted on 02/22/2008 5:49:12 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: wagglebee

Eventually we will return to the Roman notion of the Paterfamilias as being all powerful within his family, legally deciding on life or death for family members, Only now substitute first, doctors, then the State as the new Paterfamilias.


27 posted on 02/22/2008 5:50:34 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Scotswife

I just looked at the movie site and watched the trailer. I don’t think it’s too close to my story. Law And Order: SVU did a sneaky off-shoot of the story with one of their episodes and I suspect they lifted the idea from the short story version I posted at FR a few years back through RJayneJ’s site, but the full story seems to be too much toward reality than is desired.


28 posted on 02/22/2008 5:55:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

My anthology “Humanity’s Edge” has a dozen short stories on how genetic engineering, cloning, and nano-tech will challenge what it means to be human. What happens when those we create are less than human, despite our desire for them to be more? What happens when those we create become more than human, and see little use for us in the world? Or the rival creations fighting over limited resources in a world sans “real humans”?


29 posted on 02/22/2008 6:39:54 PM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: wagglebee

This author is both at the same time making good points and showing an incredible amount of foolishness.

If, it’s as he says, that infanticide has gone “mainstream”. Then the solution would no longer be making “devastating intellectual arguments”.

At that point the only rational response would be to take up arms, not to “update our arguments”.

You don’t making devastating logical arguments against Hitler’s Auschwitz, you storm the beaches of Normandy and you put an end to it.

Now violence is of course always the last resort, but last resort still means it is a resort when all other options are exhausted.

Our duty to defend the innocent against slaughter doesn’t entail just making intellectual arguments, it entails at the very end, when all other options fail, to defend them with our lives if need be. And if there ever came a day when infanticide is accepted, that’s be the day to stop making arguments and start fighting.


30 posted on 02/22/2008 7:10:58 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: tbw2
I had a conversation with a physician friend once where he asked what the result would be (human or machine) if every cell in the human body could be replaced little by little with silicone based functioning copies. At what point in replacement would the object become non-human? ... Of course, the process is an absurdity only possible in sci fi, but the idea was intriguing.
31 posted on 02/22/2008 7:56:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wagglebee

The leading contender for the DEMONcRAT presidential nomination supports infantacide. While an Illinois senator he voted FOUR tmes against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, intended to protect the born alive victims of botched abortions. He even said that he feared the law would undercut the legal rational for Roe vs Wade.


32 posted on 02/22/2008 8:14:38 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: MHGinTN

Replace nano-tech with genetic modification (viral, for example) and it could happen by accident today.


33 posted on 02/22/2008 8:51:57 PM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: wagglebee
Today the GOP has abandoned its conservative roots and has become a slightly more moderate version of the Democrats. I'm all for seeing a new Conservative Party take hold on a national level; it will be bad for several years, but at least we will all be on the same page.

The Republican slogan, in practice, has been "Vote Republican! We'll only sell out conservative values 99% instead of 100% like the Democrats!"

Personally, I don't get bought for a penny per dollar of value.

And thus won't, for example, be voting for McCain.

34 posted on 02/22/2008 8:55:44 PM PST by Mr. Ion
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To: cpforlife.org
John McCain would never appoint pro-life/anti-Roe Supreme Court Justices.

Voting for him would only serve to remake the Republican party in his ghoulish image.

35 posted on 02/22/2008 8:58:01 PM PST by Mr. Ion
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To: Mr. Ion; Jim Robinson

As a n00b trying to discourage conservatives from voting, I’d say you’re not to be trusted yet. You have the scent of agitprop upon you. McCain is definitely pro-life and always has been. He has other flaws but this is not one of them.


36 posted on 02/22/2008 9:17:09 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wagglebee
We shouldn't be surprised. Infanticide was common in nearly all pre-Christian pagan societies. Among the Romans and the Norse, infants who were defective in some way or simply unwanted were simply left outside to die from exposure or be eaten by animals.

Now that Christianity (real Christianity) has been marginalized in Europe and at least among the elites in this country, pagan values are back in the drivers' seat.

37 posted on 02/22/2008 9:20:57 PM PST by Campion
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To: wagglebee
Pray for an end to abortion and the conversion of America to a mindset of life!

38 posted on 02/22/2008 9:39:35 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MHGinTN
McCain is definitely pro-life and always has been.

Wrong, Sherlock.

From 1999:

"I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary," McCain told the Chronicle in an article published Friday. "But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."

That is the real McCain, and he is the same as he was then.

39 posted on 02/22/2008 10:14:49 PM PST by Mr. Ion
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To: Mr. Ion

You have just confirmed that you are here to be an agitprop. You have completely discounted the likelihood that John McCain has a different notion about how to end abortion on demand in this nation. But you have done this discounting in the most negative, divisive way you know how (or your handlers have determined is the most divisive). You have zewro creds to prove you are even remotely pro-life, so far. So, piss off, dweeb. We don’t need your ilk herding us around the way the democrats need their sheeple drivers.


40 posted on 02/22/2008 10:19:45 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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