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Road block: Why the rage against the Trans-Texas Corridor?
KHOU.com ^ | February 23, 2006 | Lee McGuire

Posted on 02/23/2008 7:17:59 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

HEMPSTEAD -- The Trans Texas Corridor may be the most controversial highway ever built in Texas.

That is, if it ever gets built.

All month, there have been public hearings throughout the area where people have been showing up in droves to oppose it.

People don’t drive very fast on Odis Styers’ family ranch near Hempstead, but TxDOT wants that to change.

“It’s quiet, it’s peaceful,” Styers said. “It’s a shame a road is gonna mess it up.”

The road is the Trans Texas Corridor. The plans call for it to come through here, and with it: separate lanes for cars and trucks, speeds topping 70 mph, trains and tolls.

So far, you’ve only seen part of the story of where it came from and why so many Texans have come forward to oppose it. But you may not realize that what we know as the Trans Texas Corridor is actually two huge highways.

The first is Trans Texas 35, which parallels I-35, from Laredo to north of Dallas. That project is further along than Trans Texas 69, which would run from Laredo through counties west and north of Houston. Both would likely be toll roads developed by private companies — companies that brought lots of money to the table.

Back in 2004 a Spanish company, Cintra, offered to pay TxDOT a billion dollars to build the first leg of the Corridor.

In exchange, Cintra would set the tolls and collect them for half a century.

“It’s a lot of money,” TxDOT spokesman Ric Williamson said.

TxDOT took the offer, and the controversy began.

Videos lampooning Gov. Rick Perry cropped up on YouTube. One of the people behind it was Gov. Perry’s election-day challenger, Carole Strayhorn.

(Excerpt) Read more at khou.com ...


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1 posted on 02/23/2008 7:18:04 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: TxDOT; 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; AprilfromTexas; B4Ranch; B-Chan; ..

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 02/23/2008 7:18:53 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If any of the TTC does get shot down (and there are too many billions to be spread around to think that it will), it will be because of Ric and Rick and their heavy handed technique.


3 posted on 02/23/2008 7:25:17 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

If any of the TTC does get shot down (and there are too many billions to be spread around to think that it will), it will be because of Ric and Rick and their heavy handed technique.


I suspect they wish now that they would have never put out the grand plans of all the potential corridors with all the exotic transportation schemes included. If they would have taken this as a road construction project for that particular route and left out the grand plan of things I believe it would have been more readily acceptable to the people. In the final analysis some roadways will have to be built it’s just a matter of how, where and when.


4 posted on 02/23/2008 7:37:01 AM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

And some politcians just aren’t smart enough to stay away from Perry.

http://www.wacotrib.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/communities/listening_post/


5 posted on 02/23/2008 7:43:31 AM PST by Hamilton_More (For justice is perpetual and immortal.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


6 posted on 02/23/2008 7:43:32 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: deport
I suspect they wish now

Well, I suspect that one way or the other, Ric doesn't really care anymore.

But it shows the arrogance of the Country Club set - the big plans were to promote it to the big money types in Houston and NYC. They didn't really care (and still don't) what the 'little people' think.

7 posted on 02/23/2008 7:43:55 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Hamilton_More

That link should be this:

http://www.wacotrib.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/communities/listening_post/entries/2008/02/22/sibley_attacks_anderson_for_pe.html


8 posted on 02/23/2008 7:44:47 AM PST by Hamilton_More (For justice is perpetual and immortal.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I-87 in NYS goes through my old back yard. It is not a toll road, however. Old Rt. 9 was the only route to Canada prior to the building of I-87, aka “The Northway.” I-87 has provided a mix of results, depending on what’s important to whom. It’s a little different in that it goes through the Adirondack Park where there is very little development north of the Glens Falls area. The only city north of Glens Falls is Plattsburgh, which is close to the Canadian border.

Even though the old winding Rt. 9 has been widened here and there, it could never handle the truck traffic we have now, nor could it handle commuter traffic out of Albany. There are still bottlenecks at bridge areas.

I-87 has allowed communities that wish to remain small to do so. It has also allowed those who want to grow their area to do that. (Outside the Adirondack Park, anyway).

Traffic from Albany to Glens Falls has steadily increased, especially over the past few years, but it drops dramatically north of Glens Falls for the reason stated above. There are only hamlets between GF and Plattsburgh.


9 posted on 02/23/2008 7:50:08 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; Antoninus II; ...

Houston PING


10 posted on 02/23/2008 8:48:53 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: PAR35
"Country Club Set" plus "big money types" = elitists

"little people" = populists.

What did you think of Hillary's populist manifesto that was released on Monday. She and Obama say that they will be building "free" roads.

11 posted on 02/23/2008 8:51:57 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Audit TXDOT NOW!


12 posted on 02/23/2008 9:14:26 AM PST by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands..)
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To: PAR35

Why should they care? What are we going to do if they continue not caring?


13 posted on 02/23/2008 10:43:03 AM PST by B4Ranch ("In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." FDR)
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To: B4Ranch
What are we going to do if they continue not caring?

Keep holding our nose and voting for them. We are just as much on their plantation as black voters are on the democrat plantation.

14 posted on 02/23/2008 10:45:22 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Alaska is waiting. The Siberia-Alaska tunnel needs to be connected to something.


15 posted on 02/23/2008 10:46:35 AM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

My position is TSR caused the RAGE. LOL!

If you’d only kept this to yourself.


16 posted on 02/23/2008 11:15:34 AM PST by wolfcreek (Powers that be will lie like Clintons and spend like drunken McCains to push their Globalist agenda.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Since a lot of our current infrastructure is outdated, sub par and crumbling, might be a good idea to put money into their revision. I all the bridges begin to fall down those fancy new toll roads would be largely worthless. Side note: The definition of *Revisionist* is interesting. Kind of like a Libertarian.


17 posted on 02/23/2008 11:35:47 AM PST by wolfcreek (Powers that be will lie like Clintons and spend like drunken McCains to push their Globalist agenda.)
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To: wolfcreek

Well....because it’s being built before it was approved...because the money doesn’t stay in Texas and because we weren’t asked?


18 posted on 02/23/2008 12:25:28 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Why the rage???

hehehe, rage is going to be the least of their concerns...

Maybe if we worked with them to find a way to just stop the project and never allow it to rear its ugly head again would help this end in a peacful manner...

I’m game to help that effort...


19 posted on 02/23/2008 4:09:55 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: wolfcreek

Ahhhhh, mannnnn...

What’d ya have to go and ruffle feathers like that for??? Geesh...

I wanted to do that!!! Mannnnn, you beat me to it!!!

hehehe


20 posted on 02/23/2008 4:12:26 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: deport; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; PAR35; Ben Ficklin
Deport: "I suspect they wish now that they would have never put out the grand plans of all the potential corridors with all the exotic transportation schemes included."

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Right on the mark! Perry et al frightened a whole lot of folks with that idiocy...

I attended (and testified for the record at) two of the TTC/I-69 DEIS hearings this week. The professional road-builders at TXDOT have personally admitted to me that the multi-function monstrosity depicted in all their flashy graphics:

  1. Was handed to TXDOT by Perry and Williamson as a fait accompli and TXDOT was told to "Go sell and build this".

  2. Was a political scheme -- not a transportation design.

  3. Was primarily a grab for land, power, and money.

  4. Is a "One size fits none 'wet dream'" that has no applicability to rural Texas

  5. "Will probably never be built as depicted -- anywhere in Texas."

And that is directly from the mouths of top TXDOT professionals who actually build and design roads...

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Of the thousand or so East Texans who attended the two"hearings", (Atlanta and Jefferson) all but two testified vehemently against construction of TTC/69. The only two "faint positives" basically echoed Deport:

Deport: " In the final analysis some roadways will have to be built it’s just a matter of how, where and when."

I agree fully. In fact, I presented a "Cargo-only Corridor" design that addresses most issues with TTC/I-69 . TXDOT has asked me to submit it formally -- and I am also working on a way to publish it here.

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BTW and FWIW, there were several petitions to impeach (and/or indict) Rick Perry formally read into the record as testimony -- and copies to be signed were plentiful...

21 posted on 02/23/2008 8:01:46 PM PST by TXnMA (Don't vote for McCain. Vote AGAINST the Democrats!!!)
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To: TXnMA
TXnMA, you forgot the bumper sticker;-)


22 posted on 02/23/2008 9:24:15 PM PST by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Sarajevo; Registered
The TXDOT folks got bent out of shape when I showed them a printout of it. They said, "That's a copyrighted trademark; you can't sell that bumper sticker!"

My comeback:"That's not a commercial bumper sticker. It's a political lampoon cartoon -- which is protected by the First Amendment".

They shut up in a hurry -- because some of them remembered the success of Registered's "Sore Loserman"... '-)

23 posted on 02/23/2008 9:54:15 PM PST by TXnMA (Don't vote for McCain. Vote AGAINST the Democrats!!!)
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To: TXnMA
The facts contradict what you say.

Multi-modal corridors were proposed long before Perry and Williamson.

As for whether it is a political scheme or a transportation design, what we see is the existing methodology is political. At the state and federal level road money is being diverted for political reasons. The money that is dispersed for roads is highly influenced by politics and politicians fear privatization.

As for your concept of a cargo only corridor, East Texans have been agitating for an interstate for decades and I-69 is federal interstate that is in various stages of planning in all the states thru which it will pass.

24 posted on 02/24/2008 4:50:42 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; PAR35
"Multi-modal corridors were proposed long before Perry and Williamson."

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So... terminal stupidity is not monopolized by our current crop of Texas RINOS...

So what? Rick and Ric were the ones who pushed this dumb@$$, non-designed abortion on Texas.

BTW, this is a conservative forum. Why are you defending RINOs here?

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I did not say that passenger vehicle lanes should not be added and maintained, I proposed that interstate cargo traffic be removed from existing passenger Interstates, and that it be made mandatory that interstate cargo loads use only the new, designed-for-cargo-loads corridors.

Removal of cargo loads from existing interstates will greatly increase their lifetime and reduce maintenance costs. (Did you ever drive I-20, with its sawtooth tilted slab damage that repeatedly jolted you at the end of each slab? That damage would never have occurred with auto-only traffic loads.)

Narrowing the corridors to minimum width will reduce the cost of overpasses (@~$3000/linear foot and required solely to cross the closed-access cargo corridors) so that the "Great Wall of Texas" effect is reduced. Existing proposals (which block off many FM and almost all county roads) would devastate rural Texas. (Consider the huge, negative impact on rural school bus routes, for instance...) More, affordable crossovers would alleviate that sort of problem...

And no one with even a room-temperature IQ would propose something as stupid as adding a ~$500,000 length to every crossover merely to cross under power lines and over pipelines. (Think about it: when was the last time you saw an overpass that served only those worthless "purposes"?)

"Utilities" simply do not belong inside closed access corridors.

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The big problem is that TXDOT did not do proper engineering and Economic Impact analyses like the above before they rushed headlong into the NEPA Environmental Impact Study.

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The engineers at TXDOT agree with my analyses. What -- aside from frustration with traffic -- supports your negative pontifications. What positive, technical contribution have you made to these discussions?

Name one thing (aside from "We need roads!" and the separation of truck from passenger traffic) in the proposed multi-service corridor scheme that makes engineering and economic sense for all of Texas.

We await your astute analysis...

25 posted on 02/24/2008 8:41:35 AM PST by TXnMA (Don't vote for McCain. Vote AGAINST the Democrats!!!)
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To: TXnMA
Actually, multi-modal corridors were recommended by CTR, not politicians. OTOH, your qualification is that you can type big letters. Common sense contradicts your grand scheme. You say that you don't want a separate TTC, but then advocate building a separate truck corridor.

As for your attempts to frame it as "true conservatives" versus the RINOs, it doesn't wash.

Conservatives know that the private sector will do a better job. You are not a conservative, you are a populist. You need to vote for Obama, he will give you your free roads/socialist roads.

26 posted on 02/24/2008 10:14:58 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: TXnMA
(Did you ever drive I-20, with its sawtooth tilted slab damage that repeatedly jolted you at the end of each slab? That damage would never have occurred with auto-only traffic loads.)

You should try I-90 in Minnesota and I-43 in Wisconsin. Just don't do it with a full bladder.

27 posted on 02/24/2008 3:08:46 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: TXnMA
Narrowing the corridors to minimum width will reduce the cost of overpasses (@~$3000/linear foot and required solely to cross the closed-access cargo corridors) so that the "Great Wall of Texas" effect is reduced.

I would recommend 300 feet (like a standard interstate), so as to allow room to add lanes, in case truck traffic increases. You do recall the difficulties with I-35, because it has such a narrow right-of-way?

28 posted on 02/24/2008 3:12:36 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Don’t worry, the Terminator (governor Schwarzenegger) has left California for the convention of governors to terminate state sovereignty over our public roadways. We’ll hear more about his globalist selling out later this week, I’m sure.


29 posted on 02/24/2008 4:39:18 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I (generously, IMHO) allowed 400 width', to include a rail line or two if needed...

Yeah, I know rail and road have different grade requirements, but my goal was to show that even that token width reduction would allow the project to afford three times as many crossovers for the same cost...

FYI, I have made my last response to Ben Ficklin -- the guy is stuck on irrelevancies and ad hominem sneers, and refuses to make any positive contribution. At least I am applying the capitalist/engineering principle that profitability can be maintained/increased by reducing cost...

30 posted on 02/26/2008 7:21:47 AM PST by TXnMA (Don't vote for McCain. Vote AGAINST the Democrats!!!)
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