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Barack Obama is either stupid, ignorant, or an absolutely pathetic liar (or all three)
Red State ^ | Feb. 23, 2008 | by Jeff Emanuel

Posted on 02/23/2008 7:54:08 AM PST by jdm

CY did a great job with this story here. I have just the following to add:

Barack Obama is, quite simply, doing at least one of three things here (and, with credit to Lileks, I fully expect the Left to shut up and reverently honor my acting out of the highest form of patriotism with regard to Mr. Obama and dissenting against him):

(1) He is lying his ArmaniGucci pants off, on purpose.

(2) He is blowing smoke out his fourth point of contact just to be able to appease his base more

(3) He is so mind-blowingly ignorant of the military and its status in the GWOT that he either heard this story and believed it, or thought that nobody less mind-numbingly vacuous and stupid than him would see through it.

Though these options are not mutually exclusive, the two parts of option (3) are the least exclusive of all.

The spinning after the fact makes all the difference in the world to this story, too.

Obama originally said:

They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.

Now, in the AP factcheck (never thought I'd be stringing those two words together without a "that never happened" tacked onto the end), the story says:

The captain said, however, that the unit did not go after the Taliban for the purpose of getting their weapons, but sometimes used those weapons when some were captured.

The former -- Obama's original, so-stupid-and-false-that-it's-almost-impossible-to-respond-to story -- is absolutely ridiculous, and is (in keeping with the options listed above) either a bold-faced lie, a made-up story that the teller didn't expected to be called on (and, given that the Left's knowledge of the different types and uses of cannabis typically tends to be vastly superior to its knowledge of anything military or warfare-related, why would he ever expect to be questioned or caught?), or (and this likely goes along with the above two options) a sign of a frightening level of military ignorance on the part of a common citizen -- LET ALONE on the part of a SITTING UNITED STATES SENATOR.

The second version? Believable, for some obvious reasons. See this picture? That's me -- as a journalist, not as an operator -- firing an AK-47 on the shooting range at Patrol Base Olson in Samarra, Iraq. The AK-47 is one of several in the Company Arms Room there. They are not taken out on missions (or, if they ever are, it is because a replacement part is needed in a pinch, and a resupply convoy might not be scheduled to come until later that day or perhaps the next), but are novelty/"cool-guy" weapons taken as the spoils of battle, which are cleaned and taken care of by the Company's soldiers and are fired, for fun, familiarity, and proficiency -- on the Patrol Base firing range. This is a normal activity for combat units.

Now, can anybody here spot the difference between the Obama debate story and the revised, AP-written one? That's right -- the absolute-crap, made-up-to-get-attention, show-of-unbelivable-ignorance Obamariginal story tells of those events in the context of President Bush and SecDef Gates so underequipping soldiers that they have to go capture enemy weapons to fight (no word on how they would do that if they aren't able to be armed themselves due to a lack of supplies -- guess we really do have a force of Rambos in the conventional Army); the AP story makes clear that what this really was was units taking "war trophies" they had earned in combat, and using them for various purposes outside of their official duties, which they performed while using standard-issue, in-stock, plentifully-supplied American weapons, and occasionally using them as spot-replacements for broken gear (imagine that, gear getting broken in war!) while awaiting a regularly-scheduled resupply.

The lying has gotten beyond ridiculous here. It's time for Obama the Messiah-in-Waiting to stop breaking the 9th Commandment, or to officially declare that in the religion for which he serves as Godhead, we can all disregard fact and truth in the name of spinning a good yarn.

After all, it's "for the greater good" -- and it's all about compromise.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackhusseinobama; chebama; cultofobama; ignorant; lyingliar; nobama; obama; stupid
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1 posted on 02/23/2008 7:54:09 AM PST by jdm
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To: jdm
Love the way how the Leftist “Journalists” at ABC’s “News blog” are now trying to spin the gaping holes in Obama’s story by magically producing the anonymous “Captain” and having him, anonymously, changing his story to fit the military facts.
2 posted on 02/23/2008 7:59:01 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm

Nice rip!


3 posted on 02/23/2008 7:59:53 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jdm

He’s not stupid so that leaves the other two to ponder.


4 posted on 02/23/2008 8:00:47 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: jdm

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/obama022208.pdf


5 posted on 02/23/2008 8:10:23 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Everytime McCain reaches out to conservatives, conservatives get poked in the eye.)
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To: jdm
I vote: ‘All of the above’............
6 posted on 02/23/2008 8:11:43 AM PST by geo40xyz ((McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?))
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To: jdm

It’s no secret that under certain conditions one armed force will use a weapon with a sound signature that would mislead the enemy....


7 posted on 02/23/2008 8:13:55 AM PST by Poincare (Hope is nostalgia for the future.)
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To: jdm

There is more to this story and I am not sure that it is good - having to use toyotas pickups because humvees were scarce and more.

Lets face it - this war is going on longer than WWII and I am not surprised there are reports of major shortages.

We need to do something.


8 posted on 02/23/2008 8:21:21 AM PST by spanalot
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To: Poincare
It no secret that Barak Obama referred to the Captain as being in command of a regular infantry rife platoon, not a special forces unit that might of been using enemy weapons to blend into the local scenery.
9 posted on 02/23/2008 8:21:44 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm
My theory is that Obama has had an amazingly TINY amount of engagement with the real world. He has amazingly gotten this close to being crowned POTUS without ever stepping out of the liberal, fantasy-world bubble. This is showing up now and then with stupid statements like the one causing this thread.

Bill Clinton, at least, grew up in red-neck, bubba-land, governed a fairly normal, red-blooded state. Obama has spent his adult life at Harvard?!, being a lawyer/community organizer in the corrupt/Democrat-tainted confines of Chicago?! My "Lost in Space" robot warning signal is going off for Democrats here: "Danger, Will Robinson!" "Liberal fantasy world about to collide with reality!"

10 posted on 02/23/2008 8:21:51 AM PST by ghost of nixon
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To: sageb1
Yup it was a nice one. I'd say he is all three.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

11 posted on 02/23/2008 8:22:59 AM PST by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: jdm
He is nether stupid or ignorant, he is however sinister and very dangerous.
12 posted on 02/23/2008 8:25:38 AM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: jdm

I’ll go with all 3.


13 posted on 02/23/2008 8:26:17 AM PST by MissEdie (On the Sixth Day God created Spurrier)
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To: spanalot
We need to do something.

Like establishing the facts instead of leaping to conclusions.

Maybe we should not be assuming a political PR statement, make to prop up an particular partisan political agenda, is factual simply because a political canidate made the statement?

Maybe, just maybe, Barry Obama is misquoting or misstating what his anonymous source told him? Maybe, a situations that the anonymous source is claiming took place in 2003, should not be being used, 5 years later, for partisan political reasons by a candidate in the 2008 Presidential Elections?

14 posted on 02/23/2008 8:26:47 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm; MNJohnnie
Just a friendly warning.

Jeff's story is very misleading. Barack Hussein (AKA Algonquin J.) Obama is more than a candidate in the primaries against Mr. B.J. Clinton and his wife. He is an Oracle.

Whatever the young, Golden-Tongued Annointed One says is true to his believers because it confirms whatever it is they believe, or soon will believe if they don't already. See wwhat I'm saying?

If Algonquin J. Obama, in the course of uniting our sadly fractured country says an anonymous captain violated the Geneva Convention by throwing an MRE containing Pork at followers of Muhammed (May Peas Be Upon Him) he is using poetic metaphor (or aphorism? simile?) to drive home his point that anyone voting against him in either the primary or the main election is a racist SOB.

You two can tie pork chops around Barack (means "Good Luck" in Arabic)Hussein Obama's neck, but I am still voting for this young miracle worker, who I am told turned water into Kool-Aid at the rally I attended, and fed 20,000 people with one Mickey D Fish Sandwich (with fries). I could give you a better report, but I fainted.

15 posted on 02/23/2008 8:29:49 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Dream Tickets: Gore/Obama vs. Petraeus/Blackwell.)
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To: jdm
How dare you actually hold Obama accountable for what he says!!

He is the liberals golden calf they worship and they simply won't stand for you disrespecting their demigod.

Moonbats heads will explode and who is going to clean that mess up, though, it is a rather small mess. :)

16 posted on 02/23/2008 8:30:23 AM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good point, that Special Forces are the ones using that deception tactic. It is reported though, that some regulars get a taste of firing AK’s in combat training. I can’t say why. I hasten to add that I have no direct knowledge here beyond what I read.


17 posted on 02/23/2008 8:32:21 AM PST by Poincare (Hope is nostalgia for the future.)
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To: Popman; jdm; MNJohnnie
Obama could rape Hanna Montana prime time on CBS and would be given a pass

Some other guy posted this. But it's true. However, if any Democrat has sex with anything, under any circumstances, it is a life-enriching experience for the partner ... animal, vegetable, or mineral, willing or not.

Whether this will hold true for one Larry Sinclair remains to be seen.

I do know that if a Republican even has a sexual thought or e-mail, it is far worse than any crime committed by Adof Hitler or GWB.

18 posted on 02/23/2008 8:39:24 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Dream Tickets: Gore/Obama vs. Petraeus/Blackwell.)
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To: MNJohnnie

“Like establishing the facts instead of leaping to conclusions.”

I’m tired of talk and argument.

Where are our Pattons?


19 posted on 02/23/2008 8:44:29 AM PST by spanalot
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To: Kenny Bunk
could give you a better report, but I fainted.

You Sir or Ma'am are a comic genius. I bow to your superior intellect.

20 posted on 02/23/2008 8:44:52 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: Poincare

When I was at Ft. Ord we did OpFor training, dressing up in Russian uniforms, using Soviet vehicles and weapons. What was impressed on use about the AK 47 was how crude the thing was. It and the ammunition were also heavier than ours. I don’t like carrying heavy stuff.


21 posted on 02/23/2008 8:45:11 AM PST by claudiustg (We're Whiggin' out!)
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To: jdm

He’s not stupid, he’s evil.

Just like the rest of his America hating party and the stooges who’ll vote for them.


22 posted on 02/23/2008 8:45:53 AM PST by exile ("Get off my phone, ya big dope"- The Great One)
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To: spanalot
I’m tired of talk and argument.

Or course you are. So much easier to emote and scream slogans then to actually think.

“If everybody's thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking.”

Gen George S Patton.

23 posted on 02/23/2008 8:48:14 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm

ALL THREE PLUS MORE.


24 posted on 02/23/2008 8:49:34 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama: NOT the next JFK. He is the NEXT STALIN!!!! Wake up America!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie
-—It no secret that Barak Obama referred to the Captain as being in command of a regular infantry rife platoons—

Lieutenants lead platoons; captains command companies.

25 posted on 02/23/2008 8:50:19 AM PST by claudiustg (We're Whiggin' out!)
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To: MNJohnnie

“”I’m tired of talk and argument.””

“Or course you are. So much easier to emote and scream slogans then to actually think.

“If everybody’s thinking alike, somebody isn’t thinking.”

Gen George S Patton.”

What does this quote have to do with my call for swift victory? And I am certainly not thinking like most!

Why isn’t Bin Laden’s dead? F Pakistan.


26 posted on 02/23/2008 8:55:43 AM PST by spanalot
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To: claudiustg

Yep. And that was just the first of the most obvious warning signs that should of triggered the BS detectors


27 posted on 02/23/2008 8:56:40 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: spanalot

Ok, Attacking your allies, (Pakistan) while ignoring your enemies (Taliban and Iraq) is what is know in Military terms as “a really BAD idea”.


28 posted on 02/23/2008 8:57:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm
We should not let this story die!
29 posted on 02/23/2008 8:58:07 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Illegals : Why spend the money to educate them if its against the law to employ them?)
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To: jdm
Ignorance.

Ignorance is to blame for his and his wife’s latest statements.

He has no clue what the US military is or how is operates in combat. Since the beginning of time soldiers have gathered and sometimes implemented the spoils of war either out of necessity or simply to better understand their enemy.

She is “proud of America for the first time” in her life because on the campaign trail, this is the first time she’s SEEN the real America. Princeton University is not America. Inner-city Chicago is not America.

In their America, of course we need “change”.

30 posted on 02/23/2008 9:00:03 AM PST by ryan71
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To: MNJohnnie

“Ok, Attacking your allies, (Pakistan) while ignoring your enemies “

hardly - I want Bin Laden’s head - now!


31 posted on 02/23/2008 9:00:24 AM PST by spanalot
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To: ghost of nixon

This is common for most liberals. They are a very sequestered bunch. Their haughty opinions are their reality. Never confuse them with facts or detail.


32 posted on 02/23/2008 9:02:24 AM PST by Luke21
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To: spanalot
Your “tried of the war” are you?

Oh my how horrible for poor little you. Well how about you simply turn off the tv, turn off the computer and stop worrying about it? It doesn’t effect 99% of you Americans in the least.

You don’t know anyone in the military, and even most of those of you who do, don’t know a single person in combat arms.

Tried of the war? Then just quit worrying about it. Get out of the way and let the sheepdogs do their job.

33 posted on 02/23/2008 9:18:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie (http://www.iraqvetsforcongress.com ---- Get involved, make a difference.)
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To: jdm

34 posted on 02/23/2008 9:20:31 AM PST by Gritty (Bill gave the party an appetite for slick lounge acts and this time Barack's delivering it -Mk Steyn)
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To: MNJohnnie
Love the way how the Leftist “Journalists” at ABC’s “News blog” are now trying to spin the gaping holes in Obama’s story by magically producing the anonymous “Captain” and having him, anonymously, changing his story to fit the military facts.

I figure it's just a matter of time till ABC is out in Anbar looking for insurgents to back up a previous Obamba debate story: that the decrease in violence there is due to the RAT takeover of Congress.

You can imagine the uproar in the MSM if a Republican said something so stupid.

35 posted on 02/23/2008 9:23:21 AM PST by freespirited (The worst Republican is far preferable to the best Democrat.)
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To: spanalot
"Lets face it - this war is going on longer than WWII "

Yeah, and with about 1% of the casualties and property damage of WWII.

Are you trying to make a relevant point?

36 posted on 02/23/2008 9:23:59 AM PST by Hoof Hearted
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To: spanalot
-—Lets face it - this war is going on longer than WWII -—

The Korean War has gone on since 1950. There was only a ceasefire you know.

37 posted on 02/23/2008 9:40:27 AM PST by claudiustg (We're Whiggin' out!)
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To: jdm
Barack Obama is either stupid, ignorant, or an absolutely pathetic liar (or all three)

I don't know if Hussein is stupid (although he's certainly no rocket surgeon) but he is definitely a lying ignoramus.

38 posted on 02/23/2008 9:42:40 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: claudiustg
-—Lets face it - this war is going on longer than WWII -—

The Korean War has gone on since 1950. There was only a ceasefire you know.

Not to mention the fact that we're still technically at war with the Seminole indians.

39 posted on 02/23/2008 10:22:12 AM PST by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: jdm
What is "D" all of the above.

I'll take Rippin' A LIB for $200 Alex...

40 posted on 02/23/2008 10:56:11 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: spanalot
There is more to this story and I am not sure that it is good - having to use toyotas pickups because humvees were scarce and more.

The Toyota 4x4 pickup has long been a favorite in Afghanistan. It can negotiate narrow passages the larger Humvee can't get through. The Afghan army contingent that commonly accompanies Coalition forces in the field use the Toyota pickups as their primary vehicles.

Furthermore, using captured enemy weapons against the enemy has always a tradition of militaries around the world. Check out this American training film from WWII on the German hand grenade Captured Potato Mashers

41 posted on 02/23/2008 11:09:35 AM PST by fso301
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To: Kenny Bunk

Hypocrisy is what the Republicans are being nailed on, not the actual acts. Just like Algore’s carbon footprint is more newsworthy than Rush Limbaugh’s because Algore is out there shooting his mouth off.


42 posted on 02/23/2008 11:10:02 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Hey Lancey don’t forget,

There Will Be Baboozling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU


43 posted on 02/23/2008 11:17:56 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Lib-Lickers 2; LeonardFMason

That is awesome!

LFM - ping to post #43. Check out that YouTube.


44 posted on 02/23/2008 12:14:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MNJohnnie

“Your “tried of the war” are you”

Where did I say that?

That is a lie - you better pick up a remedial learning course or two.


45 posted on 02/23/2008 12:25:28 PM PST by spanalot
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To: claudiustg

“The Korean War has gone on since 1950.”

Nonsense.


46 posted on 02/23/2008 12:26:06 PM PST by spanalot
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To: fso301

“It can negotiate narrow passages the larger Humvee can’t get through.”

What are you talking about? We are not fighting in narrow urban streets and the Toyota can NOT negotiate the rugged terrain of Afghanistan like a Humvee.


47 posted on 02/23/2008 12:27:58 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot
We are still at war with N. Korea. We still have troops in Germany and Japan. And as one poster pointed out, we are still at war with the Seminoles.

Although, I think the Seminoles won.

And be careful.

5.56mm

48 posted on 02/23/2008 12:38:42 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: jdm

What is Obama’s IQ?


49 posted on 02/23/2008 12:40:24 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: spanalot
Under Equipped Yankee troops are still occupying the Southern States to keep our people down
50 posted on 02/23/2008 12:48:04 PM PST by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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