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Super-speed Internet satellite blasts off in Japan
CNN ^ | 2-23-08

Posted on 02/23/2008 11:53:54 AM PST by Snickering Hound

Japan launched a rocket Saturday carrying a satellite that will test new technology that promises to deliver "super high-speed Internet" service to homes and businesses around the world.

The Associated Press said the satellite would offer speeds of up to 1.2 gigabytes per second.

The service initially would focus on the Asia-Pacific region close to Japan, a JAXA news release said.

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1 posted on 02/23/2008 11:53:55 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Snickering Hound
the satellite would offer speeds of up to 1.2 gigabytes per second.

Oh I thought they were talking about something else. :-)

2 posted on 02/23/2008 11:55:43 AM PST by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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Japan launches Kizuna satellite, hopes it will deliver high-speed internet

Posted Feb 23rd 2008 2:28PM by Darren Murph
Filed under: Networking

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Granted, most of us here in America would turn our noses up at receiving in-home broadband via satellite -- after all, cable and DSL seem to be treating most of us quite alright -- but Japan is hoping to provide access to more regions in Asia-Pacific with its recently launched Kizuna. The experimental satellite is not yet intended for commercial use, but if all goes well, it will enable data transmissions "of up to 1.2 gigabytes per second" at a low cost across Japan and 19 other locales in Southeast Asia. Unfortunately, we've no idea when it will escape the bondage of testing and actually be put to good use, but at least Japan's well on its way to actually establishing that wireless island, eh?

[Via CNN, thanks to everyone who sent this in]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/23/japan-launches-kizuna-satellite-hopes-it-will-deliver-high-spee/

 

3 posted on 02/23/2008 11:58:29 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Snickering Hound

(Used without permission.

4 posted on 02/23/2008 11:59:22 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I like this. When Katrina hit here we had no landlines, no cellular and no internet. With a generator, satellite internet and voip, I would have been in business.

The key is cost. I am hoping that this will help to bring the cost of satellite internet down and the speed up.

5 posted on 02/23/2008 12:02:22 PM PST by cerberus
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To: cerberus

You might get higher transfer speeds, but you’re still looking at a minimum 250ms or so latency which will screw anything that involves streaming - like VOIP.


6 posted on 02/23/2008 12:03:46 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: cerberus

i’d like the service to be free....subsidized by a cut in
redundant social services patently extant in nations world wide...howzat?


7 posted on 02/23/2008 12:05:06 PM PST by flat
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To: Snickering Hound

No thanks, I prefer landlines.


8 posted on 02/23/2008 12:07:25 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Spktyr

This would be a great option for a backbone provider that pre-caches files locally.

An organization like Akamai could transfer large multimedia files to a local server in a place like Guam or Okinawa using the satellite, then serve them to home users from a local server.


9 posted on 02/23/2008 12:07:53 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Snickering Hound

So, 50 years...a half century...after Sputnik...how many nations can orbit their own satellite?

Japan
Russia
India
China
EU
U.S.
Israel

Anyone else?


10 posted on 02/23/2008 12:13:16 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

That’s pretty much it. Space costs a lot of money, mostly because it’s been a government monopoly until recently.

We still don’t have viable private-sector-only satellite launching systems.


11 posted on 02/23/2008 12:15:23 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Yep.

Geostationary orbit = 35,786km up
Speed of light = ~300,000km/sec
voice travel from you to satellite = .12 sec
voice travel from satellite to ground station = .12sec

250 msec total would be very fast or absolutely minimal switching and routing.

Everyone has seen actual satellite conversation - on CNN or Fox with a remote reporter. “Over to you Jim”... pause ... pause ... pause “Yes Bill, it’s quite hot here!”


12 posted on 02/23/2008 12:18:13 PM PST by m1911
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To: Spktyr
"You might get higher transfer speeds, but you’re still looking at a minimum 250ms or so latency which will screw anything that involves streaming - like VOIP."

Exactly! There is no way around the 186,000 miles per second limitation. Assuming the satellite is stationary at 22,400 miles altitude, one only needs to calculate that round trip time.

13 posted on 02/23/2008 12:24:08 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: m1911; Spktyr

Except that this communications satellite is in low Earth orbit, only 175 miles up. There will be no latency problem.


14 posted on 02/23/2008 12:25:20 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: m1911

And you will never see that speed at upload... it will be asynchronous — Low upload speeds, higher download speeds.


15 posted on 02/23/2008 12:26:53 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Reeses

You might want to ask Motorola about their great low-Earth orbit project.


16 posted on 02/23/2008 12:28:27 PM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: TommyDale
The Iridium system is still in operation, $6 billion in assets bought for $25 million. Motorola badly managed the business but the idea is sound.

Japan is a virtual superpower and this is really intended to be available for military purposes if needed. They don't need to turn a profit. Japan must do all it's military research under cloak of commercial applications.

17 posted on 02/23/2008 12:35:40 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Reeses
Except that this communications satellite is in low Earth orbit, only 175 miles up. There will be no latency problem.

They'll have to launch a bunch of them, then. On the plus side, this means the service could potentially be available worldwide.

18 posted on 02/23/2008 12:40:17 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Reeses
Except that this communications satellite is in low Earth orbit, only 175 miles up. There will be no latency problem.

What happens then when it's below the horizon?

19 posted on 02/23/2008 12:41:43 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: Reeses
Except that this communications satellite is in low Earth orbit, only 175 miles up. There will be no latency problem.

What happens then when it's below the horizon?

20 posted on 02/23/2008 12:43:28 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: Spktyr
Wonder if Branson will do satellite service?

http://www.pr-inside.com/quaid-considering-space-flight-r445436.htm

21 posted on 02/23/2008 12:44:35 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: Reeses
Except that this communications satellite is in low Earth orbit, only 175 miles up. There will be no latency problem.

According to this JAXA press release, the Kizuna geostationary altitude is about 36,000 km:

http://www.jaxa.jp/countdown/f14/overview/kizuna_e.html

It's too bad Teledesic failed. Their constellation would have provided much better service.

22 posted on 02/23/2008 12:45:14 PM PST by HAL9000 ("If someone who has access to the press says something over and over again, people believe it"- B.C.)
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To: Reeses
Except that this communications satellite is in low Earth orbit, only 175 miles up. There will be no latency problem.

What happens then when it's below the horizon?

23 posted on 02/23/2008 12:45:16 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: MarineBrat; Reeses

Arg, sorry for the triple post. My satellite must have been below the horizon!


24 posted on 02/23/2008 12:46:36 PM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

One word:

Latency
Latency
Latency

(I’m looking to move to WiMAX this summer when my Wildblue contract expires).


25 posted on 02/23/2008 12:48:36 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: MarineBrat
What happens then when it's below the horizon?

It's just for research. If they launch 70 more then coverage will be continuous the world over. I hope they open it up to hobbyists when it's flying over the USA.

26 posted on 02/23/2008 12:49:18 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Reeses

You got it in one. This is a demonstration of multiple use launching from a single booster type, as well as a demonstration of effective (and assumed active) ICBM tech. If you can orbit satellites that give highspeed comms, you can easily hit somone’s capital with a warhead. Plus, you effectively are setting up a Command & Control system that covers an entire hemisphere.

Japan can load a bomb on a plane just a week after they decide to join the nuclear club. They are quite certainly doing this for China & North Korea’s benefit.


27 posted on 02/23/2008 12:51:32 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: Kieri

Only if these are 22,000 kms orbit geostationary sats. IIRC someone mentioned 175 kms as the orbit... that would have lesser latency than the current Fibre-Optic systems.


28 posted on 02/23/2008 12:53:05 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Kieri

Ok, I take that back. 36,000 km distance X 2 will have bad latency.


29 posted on 02/23/2008 12:54:46 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Snickering Hound

I wish they could get the Uplink and cost issues for this resolved in the U.S. It’s likely the only way I’ll ever get a hish speed connection except possibly a cell tower IF they ever put one closer.


30 posted on 02/23/2008 12:57:03 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: HAL9000

Ok, my mistake. I read its orbit was 175 miles up but that must just be temporary.


31 posted on 02/23/2008 1:00:49 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Snickering Hound
It just means faster Japanese Manga porn downloads.
32 posted on 02/23/2008 1:13:08 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Snickering Hound

Probably won’t work with my Hughes dish. No matter. Hughes satellite internet is so bad I’d be willing to trash the $600 dish I got and pay up again just to get decent service. Cause for hope. #%^)


33 posted on 02/23/2008 1:13:37 PM PST by gost2
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To: cva66snipe

I have been looking into Hughesnet. Anyone know anything about them? $249.00 equipment/$59.00 per month. 1/2 sec latency.


34 posted on 02/23/2008 1:13:40 PM PST by Boblo
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To: Snickering Hound
The Associated Press said the satellite would offer speeds of up to 1.2 gigabytes per second.

Wow, that's a lot of porn.

35 posted on 02/23/2008 1:15:29 PM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I would like to have it now.... I could access from my mobile office anywhere.

We need it in the usa and get rid of the twin scourges of cable and phone companies


36 posted on 02/23/2008 1:19:58 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Southack

France


37 posted on 02/23/2008 1:20:54 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: MarineBrat

......What happens then when it’s below the horizon?....
I was hooked into a wireless satellite net at a campground in Canada and the satellite was so near the horizon, the signal was lost when a traqin passed e


38 posted on 02/23/2008 1:24:41 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Boblo
I have been looking into Hughesnet. Anyone know anything about them? $249.00 equipment/$59.00 per month. 1/2 sec latency.

You'd better be a low-usage user -- Hughesnet's FAP is about as bad as Wildblue, from what I hear.

Keep researching for alternatives such as WiMAX or EVDO through Sprint or Verizon. See if they'll do a site eval for a good signal. Satellite is a last resort ISP for VERY good reasons.

The 7500MB rolling 30 day FAP WB has is murder. With WiMAX I can get 2G down, 512up, NO FAP and for over $10 less a month.

I really sympathize with other rural folks. More options are becoming available but it's going to take time.

39 posted on 02/23/2008 1:28:57 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: Boblo
I have been looking into Hughesnet. Anyone know anything about them? $249.00 equipment/$59.00 per month. 1/2 sec latency.

The only two choices now are Hugesnet and Wildblue. Both are basically the same thing. Limited download in MB's per 24 hours, offshored or nearly impossible to contact tech support and dial up speed uplinks. See if a company like Verizon or Sprint has wireless service in your area. I'm right at their edge and need a stronger cellular signal before I invest even in it though.

With Hughesnet of Wildblue you must also have an unobstructed south to Southwest view as well. Overall from what I've read not too many people who use it are highly pleased with it overall especially when trying to get issues resolved.

40 posted on 02/23/2008 1:34:58 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Southack

Iran claims they will soon launch a satellite.


41 posted on 02/23/2008 2:06:17 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Kieri

WiMAX????

Tell me more. Wildblue contract is up this summer. Thought about Alltel’s wireless card for home.


42 posted on 02/23/2008 2:52:46 PM PST by sig229 (If you see a fork in the road, take it.)
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To: Kieri

I have been on 28000 or lower dial-up since 1995. Wildblue “was” blessing. Oh, they keep reminding me it’s a “Shared” network. Oh how I hate to hear that term.


43 posted on 02/23/2008 2:58:18 PM PST by sig229 (If you see a fork in the road, take it.)
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To: sig229
WiMAX???? Tell me more. Wildblue contract is up this summer. Thought about Alltel’s wireless card for home.

I'm still doing a lot of research myself, but here are a few good starting places:

How WiMAX Works: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/wimax.htm

WiMAX FAQ: http://www.wimax.com/education/faq

From what I've read so far I am very impressed. A local company put up an antenna/transmitter *after* I re-signed with Wildblue, and FreedomNet has plans to expand further because of the growth. WiMAX is intriguing because it's a LOT lot cheaper to expand and upgrade than a satellite or cable system.

The tough part is actually finding a carrier with a tower close enough for LoS (Line of Sight). I found mine through a rather twisty Google search using terms like the nearest town, WiMAX, broadband, etc. Your state website may also have links to resources so don't count them out.

WiMAX is growing so if you don't have access this month, it could be a whole different story the next one.

Good luck hunting!

44 posted on 02/23/2008 3:42:12 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: Kieri

Hi:

I am confused about this. Doing many searched on WIMAX etc I got hits on services for ISP not on something I can use at my home. Am I not understanding this? Can you post the name of a provider that offers service to a residential customer. Doesn’t matter where, just an example.


45 posted on 02/23/2008 6:24:14 PM PST by Boblo
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To: Kieri

Did one of those line of sight ISP, also shared network!
sucked!


46 posted on 02/23/2008 7:18:40 PM PST by sig229 (If you see a fork in the road, take it.)
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To: Boblo
I am confused about this. Doing many searched on WIMAX etc I got hits on services for ISP not on something I can use at my home. Am I not understanding this? Can you post the name of a provider that offers service to a residential customer. Doesn’t matter where, just an example.

Here is the WiMAX provider I'm hoping will work for me:

http://www.fnw.us/about/

Click on the broadband tabs along with the FAQ section. A lot of sites have old information, this field is growing so fast. You may want to watch your local newspaper ads, too.

47 posted on 02/23/2008 7:37:22 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: Snickering Hound

I would imagine that security is an issue with satellite internet


48 posted on 02/23/2008 7:43:14 PM PST by kidd
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To: kinsman redeemer
That has to be the lamest photoshop job I’ve seen on here but I love it.
49 posted on 02/23/2008 7:45:31 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: sig229

FreedomNet does a site evaluation to make sure it WILL work. Here’s what they’re offering:

Basic

* 24-month contract
* 20MB of web hosting space
* Up to 5 e-mail accounts
* DHCP address
* Access to MyFNW
* 2Mbps Download, 512K Upload
* $44.95/month plus installation

Advanced

* 24-month contract
* 20MB of web hosting space
* 5 e-mail accounts
* DHCP address
* Access to MyFNW
* 3 Mbps download, at least 512K upload‡
* $89.95/month plus installation

Premium

* 24-month contract
* 20MB of web hosting space
* Unlimited e-mail accounts
* Six (6) Static IP address available
* Access to MyFNW
* 3Mbps download, at least 1024K upload‡
* Bursting as needed
* $249.95/month plus installation

Custom solutions

* Up to 45mbps Available

‡ This is a committed information rate package and guarantees the stated upload speeds.

____________________________________________

Installation with equipment is $199, which is what I paid for Wildblue. I go through a co-op (their service is a million times better than dealing with WB direct) but I have to pay extra for a very basic warranty that doesn’t cover equipment.

Here’s a little more info:

FreedomNet Solutions delivers IEEE 802.3-compliant Internet services via point-to-multipoint wireless broadband technology that takes advantage of the U-NII unlicensed spectrum.

Our standard subscriber systems can sustain speeds up to 3.5Mbps, using standard traffic shaping and Quality of Service (QoS) techniques to ensure performance. Over-the-air DES encryption and 128-bit authentication provide secure connections.

All FreedomNet Solution packages are compatible with standard Internet protocols, including IPv4, IPv6 tunneled and Switched Layer 2 Transport, as well as all common Ethernet protocols, including NetBIOS, DHCP, IPX, UDP, TCP, ICMP, SSH, HTTP, HTTPS and SNMP.

Subscribers connect to our service using a standard subscriber module (SM) with a UL-approved Power of Ethernet (PoE) power adapter. To achieve optimal signal strength, a small dish, similar to a DirecTV or Dish Network satellite dish, may be attached to the SM.

__________________________________________

I’m still pretty new to all this tech-geek stuff, but I’m willing to learn a lot to get rid of that $55 a month @(#*&$ FAP!

If anybody has used or is currently using WiMAX, I’d love to hear about it.


50 posted on 02/23/2008 7:45:56 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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