Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit “Winter Soldier” Claims

Front Page Magazine ^ | February 25, 2008 | Scott Swett

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to “testify” against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name “Winter Soldier” is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where “a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War.” In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

We need your help. From reading this article by Scott Swett, many of you will not doubt be aware of the Winter Soldier Investigation I and some may even be aware of the schedule, Winter Soldier Investigation redux, which he outlines therein.

Many of the same “bad actors,” phony, lying, traitors, who were involved in WSI (I) are supporting and encouraging this yet again, attempt to impugn, denigrate, belittle and generally, harm our brave men and women who are in the military and primarily, those who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If should come as no surprise that the Vietnam Veterans Against War (VVAW) who were instrumental in the first Kangaroo Court “Investigation,” helped organize and continue to support the Iraq Veterans Against War (IVAW).

Those of us who suffered intently for some 35 years as a result of this injustice are committed to insure that we do not have a repeat performance next month and have another entire generation of heroes, be saddled with the same burden for years and portrayed as dope-smoking, baby-killing, psychos (absent a scintilla of credible evidence of same) simply for having served their country.

The one person most responsible for what we endured, is none other than that traitorous, Rat-Bast*ard, SOB, John “Francois” Kerry.

In 2004, I worked with many other Vietnam Vets, (including Scott, Capt. Larry Bailey, Ret.—“Kerry Lied and Good Men Died,”—John O’Neill—“Unfit for Command,” The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and many others to help expose the phony, fraudulent, traitor, Kerry, as well as the VVAW and we were successful in helping to defeat this piece of scum.

There are quite of few of us who hoped and prayed that he would seek the Dhimi nomination this year, for while we were successful in putting nails in his coffin, we were prepared to bury him (and his sycophant band of lying acolytes) once and for all. I am personally convinced that the primary reason he didn’t was that he knew he would be pressured and forced to initiate and provide a Form 180 (which he NEVER has) and this would not only ruin him personally, but would have exposed the anti war movement for what it truly was.

That said, this gives us yet another opportunity to shine the light of truth and justice on Kerry, the VVAW and the so called “witnesses,” who gave false testimony during WSI (I) and at the same time, help insure this travesty is not repeated with the upcoming WSI (II).

Please pass this around to one and all and send notices to in the media who you think will be willing to help and publicize this event, especially to talk radio, as we all know the Lame Stream Media, while they will no doubt report on it—providing they can use it to attack the war and further their Hate America First and BDS syndrome—but will definitely not be objective or disseminate any news which adversely reflects on those who participate in this farce.

There will be more information forthcoming on this event and I know we can count of all of you here to do whatever you can help protect our brave military.

Should there be any credible, “Documented and “Witnessed,” charges brought forth, then by all means, those accused should be held accountable for their actions. However, if those participating are merely going to lob charges which can not be substantiated or as most did in 1971, refuse to cooperate with military authorities, then they need to be held accountable for providing false information and have their innuendoes and lies exposed for what they are. We also know that we have been exposed to so called Iraq Vets, who have leveled serious allegations against their fellow brothers and sisters, only to be found out as frauds and liars and there is no reason to expect any less (or more of same) in this upcoming charade.

Had we had the alternative media available today in 1971, we would not have had to endure such pain and suffering we underwent and the entire anti war movement would have been exposed for what it was. Who knows, we may have actually prevailed in Vietnam and the outcome might been favorable and victorious (which it actually was) as opposed to a defeat (which militarily, it never was) as perceived by many as a result of so much of so much disinformation, propaganda, negative reporting and traitorous behavior by a handful of despicable American citizens, aided and abetted by a corrupt media.

For so many years, most of us were (made to feel) ashamed of our service and actually hid the fact that we were Vietnam Veterans. In 2004, many of us came out of the closet and now are proud of having served. The same occurrence must NEVER happen again and I ask all of you (and those you know) to please help insure this does not come about.

[Jet Jaguar]

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[Hot Tabasco]

You came to the right place, welcome aboard!

I've already passed it on to all my patriotic friends......

[cricket]

The degraded 'will' of these people - brings to mind those classic 'death scenes' whereby the evil perp simply refuses to die; the first. . .second or even third time.

[17th Miss Regt]

He may want to reconsider this. The enemy has the formidable and devastating Jesse Macbeth on their side.

[sergeantdave]

Welcome aboard, Conservative Vermont Vet.

I’ll ask freema to ping the troops.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

Here are some additional sites with information which may be beneficial to one and all as well as very informative.

http://keohane.blogspot.com/

http://eaglesup.us/

http://gatheringofeagles.org/

As an aside, please do not overlook the link to John Kerry’s good bud JOE BANGERT, (here is a direct link to article in American Thinker http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/08/one_of_kerrys_band_of_brothers.html) who not only was a “witness” during the WSI (I) but worked on Kerry’s campaigns for some 20 years.

If anyone reading his absolutely [un]imaginalbe claims knows anyone who may be able to repudiate his allegations of Marine attrocities he cited, please post for all to see and help further discredit Kerry and the VVAW. Thanks.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

“I’ve already passed it on to all my patriotic friends......”

Thanks, I appreciate it and hope they in turn, do the same.

[NonValueAdded]

I VOW to the 58,000 + Brothers and Sisters on The Viet Nam Wall who never came home and to those who died at home from injuries and from broken hearts. I will do everything I LEGALLY can to expose Hanoi Kerry once and for all. I will not tire, I will not falter, and I will not fail. I solemnly vow to do all I can to restore your honor until I give my last breath on earth. 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (1948-2007)

FRiends, the baton has been passed to us. The new wall for the new war has yet to be built, but the same evil forces confront us. Charlie Mike, FRiends, continue the mission.

[grey_whiskers]

Someone please post the photoshop of Kerry gazing into the list of names and smiling...

Cheers!

[snowrip]

Has anyone sent this to Laura, Rush, et al yet?

[NonValueAdded]

I’m glad I haven’t seen that photoshop ... I can’t afford a new monitor right now.

[vetvetdoug]

Have you contacted the MSM? I am sure they would be interested to publicize these facts and make it known to the public.

[StarCMC]

Bump and ping.

[StarCMC]

Tonk was the first person I thought of when I saw this headline. I miss him.

[kabar]

As a Vietnam veteran and a multiple contributor to the SBVFT, I support your efforts. Kerry is running for reelection this year against Jeff Beatty. He deserves our support.

FYI re Kerry's Form 180: Kerry did sign three Form 180s for release to three sympathetic reporters on May 20, 2005, not for general release to the public.

John Kerry Signs Form 180 to release military records

[StarCMC]

Thank you for the post -- spreading the news here.

[mcshot]

Very touching and effective call to action.
Thanks,
MC

[E.G.C.]

BTTT

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

“I solemnly vow to do all I can to restore your honor until I give my last breath on earth. 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (1948-2007)”

Thanks for post. While a newbie, I have been around here for quite a while and remember this brave and patriotic Freeper. Yes, he will be missed and his (our) cause—with help from all Freepers and other patriots—will not be foresaken.

God Bless all of our active duty personnel as well as all of our Veterans and God Bless America.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

“Has anyone sent this to Laura, Rush, et al yet?”

I don’t know. I have, but they get so much mail that one person contacting them is easily overlooked.

This is exactly what I had hoped for when enlisting support from all of you; that you would send a message to all talk radio with this information and sooner or later, one or more would get thru and they in turn, would publicize this farce and help expose them for what they are, all the while, protecting our valiant troops. Thanks,

[Interesting Times]

Nailing down the Winter Weasels...

[LiteKeeper]

Did you know that John Kerry served [sic] in Viet Nam?

[MEG33]

Never Again!

[E.G.C.]

BTTT

[MinuteGal]

Tonk lives on through the work of all the patriots posting on this thread and involved in this work. Stay proud and God bless you all.

Leni

[Blood of Tyrants]

The only crimes I see are where US citizens met with representatives of enemy nations and discussed ways to aid them.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

“As a Vietnam veteran and a multiple contributor to the SBVFT, I support your efforts. Kerry is running for reelection this year against Jeff Beatty. He deserves our support.”

Something which may be beneficial to Beatty’s Campaign(though knowing the “progressive” composition of the electorate in Taxachussetts, perhaps not) is the close relationship between Kerry and Joe Bangert (Referenced in Swett’s article) who was as big—if not bigger—traitor than Kerry and the publicizing of information relating to Bangert’s activities and his testimony during Winter Soldier Investigation might help open some eyes and help his campaign?

I had heard Kerry claim he had signed 180 (which he then suggested exhonerated him) but did not know he designated only 3 people to have access.

Same old-same old snow job. Would love to get my hands on the recods, but we have a snow ball’s chance in Hell of doing so.

Thanks for support.

[RaceBannon]

This has been e-mailed around the world.....posted on Marine Forums...and e-mailed to media outlets.

[RaceBannon]

I just sent it to Ann Coulter.

[ma bell]

what happened to gulf of tonkin 68?

[amom]

Excellent. Tonkin would most certainly be all over this.

[amom]

You have FReepmail.

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

That article was an eye-opener. Leftists never change: lie, lie and lie some more. They are, and were, traitors!

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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MEL’s -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~aloharonnie/

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~anita1/

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[StarCMC]

Tonk passed away last year — give me a minute and I’ll get you his thread.

[StarCMC]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1849275/posts

[Diver Dave]

Welcome Aboard, Brother. There has never been a day, hour, minute where I have not been proud to have served.

Thanks for the post and for your service to this great country.

[gpapa]

Send your information to Blackfive & Mudville Gazette, and any other conservative Milblogs you can think of. Try to contact Michelle Malkin & Glen Reynolds (instapundit) as well.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[unspun]

Let us not forget that John Kerry conferred with the North Vietnamese Minister of Propaganda (and psy-ops) in Paris.

[Tunehead54]

Bump!

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Good luck and thank you for your service!

[R. Scott]

I saw that on the news years ago - but didn’t believe it.

[zot]

Thanks for posting this. We must not let it happen again.

[secretagent]

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:OvGarrEjQOcJ:www.popasmoke.com/notam2/showthread.php%3Ft%3D6672+%22joe+bangert%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=25&gl=us

(Google cache link works, for now, but won’t later.)

“I was a 2nd Lt. infantry officer attached to VMO-6 as a 3rd Mar Div AO from June-October 1969. I flew 105 missions with OV-10 and O-1 pilots. Prior to that I was a rifle platoon commander with E/2/4 for eight months in northern I Corps. I provide this information only to establish my bona fides.”

“I would like to communicate with anyone who knew Sgt. Joe Bangert, who claims to have served with VMO-6 in 1968-1969. In 1971, Bangert delivered some outrageous testimony during the so-called “Winter Soldier Investigation.” You can read about the Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) here: http://www.wintersoldier.com/ WSI was sponsored by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Jane Fonda and John Kerry were among the principals plus a couple others, like Scott Camill, who wanted to assassinate Senators. Joe Bangert testified for the record that he personally witnessed atrocities and war crimes committed by Marines and others and that he flew in combat operations and participated in covert “black” ops with the CIA and USAID. You can read an excerpt of Bangert’s testimony here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.war.vietnam/msg/b62cc6c87225030d?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF%978&safe= off&rnum=1”

“One might legitimately ask “why does all this matter now?” The answer is that another Winter Soldier Investigation, WSI 2, is planned for March 2008. The event is sponsored by the Iraq Veterans Against the War and they would like to do to Iraq and Afghanistan veterans what was done to Vietnam veterans 37 years ago. And here’s the point of bringing up Joe Bangert right now. Joe Bangert is going to be one of the guys appearing and running WSI 2.”

“Joe has gloried in his role as an antiwar hero for 37 years. He accompanied John Kerry to Paris to meet the Hanoi communists during the war, and was the hit of a diplomat dinner party when he appeared wearing a shirt with a communist symbol and sang two communist ballads in Vietnamese for the group. In 1971, he got away with this treasonous BS unchallenged and he is still at it today. Google “Joe Bangert”... you’ll be appalled.”

“I am peripherally associated with a couple of veterans advocate groups that would like to delve into the veracity of Joe Bangert’s 1971 testimony and, if appropriate, to discredit him. If there is anyone who knew Joe Bangert and is willing to go on the record about his wild assertions please contact me as soon as possible. I realize this may be a difficult thing to do, especially after all these years. I consider it just part of continuing service, for all us who served, and most of all, for the guys on The Wall. Semper Fi,”

“Karl Schroeder”

[zot]

Thanks for the ping. This is an excellent article.