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Obama: Dividing Israel doesn't make me anti-Israel
Israel Today ^ | 2-25-08 | Staff

Posted on 02/25/2008 10:57:32 AM PST by Anti-Hillary

US presidential hopeful Barrack Obama on Sunday insisted that just because he tends to side with those who advocate dividing the Land of Israel as the most viable path to peace does not mean that he is an enemy of the Jewish state.

Speaking to Jewish leaders in Cleveland, the Illinois senator complained that "there is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt a unwavering pro-Likud approach to Israel that you're anti-Israel."

Israel's opposition Likud Party and its supporters promote minimal or no territorial compromises in the quest for peace with an Arab world that has tried to militarily destroy the Jewish state at least three different times.

But, according to Obama, backing the Jews' biblical, historical and legal claim to all of the land in question "can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel."

Nor can supporting the view that only by defeating its Islamic foes can Israel enjoy any semblence of peace and security, continued the Democratic frontrunner.

As his popularity grows, Mr. Obama has come under scathing attack from supporters of the Jewish state for turning to advisors who have in the past expressed anti-Israel opinions.


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But, according to Obama, backing the Jews' biblical, historical and legal claim to all of the land in question "can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel."

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Jews who vote as a bloc for the RAT had better wake up. And if you are a Bible believing Christian this is a call to prayer! This man may not be the anti-Christ but he has that spirit!

God have mercy on this country!!!

1 posted on 02/25/2008 10:57:34 AM PST by Anti-Hillary
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To: Anti-Hillary

THe UN already divided the Holy Land between Jews and Arabs in 47. THe Arabs said no. They haven’t changed their minds since.


2 posted on 02/25/2008 11:00:28 AM PST by DManA
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To: Anti-Hillary

Obama supports dividing Israel? Hmmm...I’m sure muslims will be happy.


3 posted on 02/25/2008 11:01:19 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: Anti-Hillary

Obama is out of his liberal mind.

1. I will divide all things equally among all men... Come to me, come to me, a bright light shall shine down on you and you will come out to vote for Obama...

I think Oprah and all the other Multi- Millionaire supporters of Obama need to shut up and put up. If Obama wants fairness he needs to tell everyone that has a net worth over 1 million $ to relinquish all excess to the government so that he can pay for all the social programs for the have nots instead of raising our taxes....

Isn’t that fair?


4 posted on 02/25/2008 11:02:44 AM PST by tomnbeverly (" And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon")
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To: DManA
That's correct. To divide Israel to create a Palestine was tried. And yes they walked away, I think they said they needed more land. If they want a country why doesn't Saudia Arabia or Jordan or Iran give up land to give their fellow Arabs a home.

Maybe we should divide Illinois, say into the State of Chicago and the State of Illinois (the remainder). Makes just about as much sense.
6 posted on 02/25/2008 11:04:11 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Anti-Hillary
But, according to Obama, backing the Jews' biblical, historical and legal claim to all of the land in question "can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel."

Translation: I would divide Jerusalem and force Jews to leave their homes in Judea and Samaria.

Nor can supporting the view that only by defeating its Islamic foes can Israel enjoy any semblence of peace and security, continued the Democratic frontrunner.

Translation: I would force Israel to give up its nukes, and take away most or all of the weapons the US gives to Israel.

7 posted on 02/25/2008 11:04:37 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Anti-Hillary

Barack Hussein Obama favors a pro-Palestinian, pro-arab, pro-muslim position that would be against the interests of the nation of Israel ??

Wow, who’da thunk...


8 posted on 02/25/2008 11:04:47 AM PST by prairiebreeze ("Mental institution Michael...think about it". -- FDT 2007)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Yeah, and just because he does not wear a US flag on his lapel, say the national anthem, or have a family that is not proud to be American, does not mean he is anti-American either. (sarcasm)


9 posted on 02/25/2008 11:06:43 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Anti-Hillary
... according to Obama, backing the Jews' biblical, historical and legal claim to all of the land in question "can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel

I'll second that amendment!

10 posted on 02/25/2008 11:08:42 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 318 and counting! Stay home and get a Dem!)
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To: Anti-Hillary
dividing the Land of Israel as the most viable path to peace does not mean that he is an enemy of the Jewish state.

And here is how Mohammed wants to divide the Jew:

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

11 posted on 02/25/2008 11:10:53 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICTED)
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To: Anti-Hillary

The mullahs of the Middle East are happy. They found their savior in the US, B. Hussein Obama. One more Hussein is one too many.


12 posted on 02/25/2008 11:12:34 AM PST by gpapa (Kill the terrorists, protect the borders, punch the hippies)
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To: Anti-Hillary
But, according to Obama, backing the Jews' biblical, historical and legal claim to all of the land in question "can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel."

He's correct -- I would actually use it as a barometer to gauge friendship with God Almighty.

His position here pretty much follows in line with the gay friendly, abortion friendly, socialism friendly platform he and the rest of the God-hating, Satan worshipping 'rats embrace.

13 posted on 02/25/2008 11:15:15 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: Anti-Hillary
LOL

And the Jewish community largely backs the Democrats why?

This is one of Hussein's great ideas to get all the sides to the table! To have the world like us more! To regain our moral position! Did I miss any other abstract B.S. he likes to spew in his speeches?

14 posted on 02/25/2008 11:18:17 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Yes, Hussein, it does make you anti-Israel. But you wont be able to divide Israel once Olmert is overthrown and Netanyahu gets back into office. Barry Hussein Obama will not be able to do much of the left wing agenda he proposes. We need to work hard to get a Republican majority back in Congress in 2010.


15 posted on 02/25/2008 11:18:26 AM PST by Astronaut
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To: Alouette; SJackson; Fred Nerks

“B Hussein Obama is an anti-semitic maniac” ping


16 posted on 02/25/2008 11:22:57 AM PST by indcons
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To: Obadiah

Won’t be enough for them


17 posted on 02/25/2008 11:28:37 AM PST by Billg64
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To: Anti-Hillary

You can’t hang out with terrorist supporting, Jew hating radicals and then claim you aren’t ‘actually’ anti-semitic. You wouldn’t hang out with anybody who had Klan connections, would you?

So, why should Jews OR Christians who support the integrity and safety of Israel believe that you are any different than the people who ‘advise’ you? And there are a LOT of Christians who support Israel not being divided up and handed over to the jidhadists and destroying Jerusalem by allowing Hamas to do to Jerasalem what they’ve done to Bethlehem.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 11:29:21 AM PST by bpjam (My party has fallen and it can't get up)
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To: Billg64
Won’t be enough for them

Sure it will if it's divided properly...

0% for Jews

100% for Islam
19 posted on 02/25/2008 11:39:45 AM PST by Proverbs 3-5
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To: Anti-Hillary

Well, the democrats are dividing this country. Why not work on Israel too while they are at it!


20 posted on 02/25/2008 11:43:08 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (I make liberals sick to their stomach)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Nice two step you got there Obama!


21 posted on 02/25/2008 11:44:53 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Anti-Hillary
Change Obama believes in

22 posted on 02/25/2008 11:59:06 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: indcons

“B Hussein Obama is an anti-semitic maniac” ping
ping, ping, ping - Now you know why I’m voting for McCain this time.


23 posted on 02/25/2008 12:02:03 PM PST by nolongerademocrat
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To: Anti-Hillary

Obama can’t divide Israel without the help of US Jews. However, he’ll get that help.


24 posted on 02/25/2008 12:04:46 PM PST by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Any Jew who supports Obama is of the self-hating variety. I’m sure there were some Jews who were taken with Hitler right up until they were packed in the boxcars.


25 posted on 02/25/2008 12:05:58 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: rbg81

“Don’t tell me that you aren’t anti-semetic but merely anti-zionist because they are the same.” - MLK


26 posted on 02/25/2008 12:15:14 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Anti-Hillary
I have this eerie feeling, that Mr. Hussain Obama’s muslim roots, are not so dormant after all.>
27 posted on 02/25/2008 12:42:30 PM PST by ThinkingBuddha
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To: rbg81

“I’m sure there were some Jews who were taken with Hitler right up until they were packed in the boxcars.”

Hos 13:9 O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.

Dear Jewish Friends,

Wake up! The Democrats are not your friends and never have been.


28 posted on 02/25/2008 1:36:40 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American, or you are a liberal)
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To: Proverbs 3-5

still not enough until all dead, then we’ll be next, and then moderate muslims then not so moderate muslims etc.


29 posted on 02/25/2008 2:54:22 PM PST by Billg64
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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Interesting. Dividing Israel, which is quite different than creating a terrorist entity of some sort in the West Bank, territory Israel offered to return for peace in 1967. Clearly Obama is either ignorant of the issues, or thinking of dividing the State of Israel.

Likud, I'm not aware of Likud refusing to negotiate a palestinian entity. The conditions, that's the problem Obama must be concerned about.

Ceasing terror, if you can't kill the women and children in the nation next door, what kind of state is that.

IMO Obama isn't anti-Israel, he's simply clueless, totally dependent on his mentors, which range from racist ministers to communists to the good man Farrakhan. Far more dangerous.

His wife seems to have her act together, that seems to be a democrat thing.

30 posted on 02/25/2008 3:55:14 PM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: gpapa
We killed two Hussein sons in battle. We found Papa Hussein in a hidey hole. He was hung by the neck. Even the naysayers thought it was good.

Obama isn't related to Saddam. Not even a distant cousin. But Mr. B. Hussein O. is another renegade with WMD. The struggle continues.

31 posted on 02/25/2008 5:23:04 PM PST by Sender (Sometimes I sits and votes, and sometimes I just sits.)
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To: Anti-Hillary
Obama: Dividing Israel doesn't make me anti-Israel

Yes it does.

32 posted on 02/25/2008 7:45:59 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

I wonder how he’ll explain this one to the Son of God.


33 posted on 02/25/2008 8:08:34 PM PST by Cvengr (Fear sees the problem emotion never solves. Faith sees & accepts the solution, problem solved.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Unfortunately Israel’s suicidal leadership takes a position not much different than Obama.


34 posted on 02/25/2008 10:24:35 PM PST by freedomrings69
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To: Anti-Hillary
This man may not be the anti-Christ but he has that spirit!

Thats arguable...

35 posted on 02/26/2008 10:21:55 AM PST by Greystoke
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To: Greystoke

What’s argualbe? That he is the Anti-Christ or that he has the spirit?


36 posted on 02/26/2008 10:31:00 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Lest anyone forgot, WE ARE AT WAR!!!!! NOW IS NOT THE TIME IN HISTORY TO TEACH THE PARTY A LESSON!!)
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To: Greystoke

What’s argualbe? That he is the Anti-Christ or that he has the spirit?


37 posted on 02/26/2008 10:31:12 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Lest anyone forgot, WE ARE AT WAR!!!!! NOW IS NOT THE TIME IN HISTORY TO TEACH THE PARTY A LESSON!!)
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To: Greystoke
What’s arguable? That he is the Antichrist or that he has the spirit?
38 posted on 02/26/2008 10:32:30 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Lest anyone forgot, WE ARE AT WAR!!!!! NOW IS NOT THE TIME IN HISTORY TO TEACH THE PARTY A LESSON!!)
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To: SJackson
Claiming that advocating a "two-state solution" doesn't make one "anti-Israel" is a good ploy for Obama to use with gullible Jewish and pro-Israel Democrats. That statement by itself is technically correct. Even Israel itself officially endorses a "two-state solution," as does the US.

The difficulty is in the details. What are the specifics of the "divided Israel" plan that Obama advocates? As you point out, there can be no "two-state solution" unless the deal compels the Palestinian entity to renounce violence and terrorism, at a minimum. Practically speaking, that is something that is not possible, given the history and mind set of the Palis.

Obama has shown no sign of being able to recognize that reality, and, as you point out again, he is unlikely to do so when one considers his background, mentors, and foreign policy advisors. Don't hold your breath waiting for Obama can get over that hump. Barring a stunning transformation on Obama's part, the pro-Israel community must reject his superficial advances.

39 posted on 02/26/2008 11:34:38 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: ml/nj; firebrand; rmlew; dennisw; juliej; OldFriend; montag813; Nachum; Yehuda; beaversmom; ...

“Osama” Obama ping!


40 posted on 02/26/2008 11:53:43 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Please, use his proper name: HUSSEIN.


42 posted on 02/26/2008 12:04:52 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

LOL!


43 posted on 02/26/2008 12:16:58 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs


44 posted on 02/26/2008 12:22:28 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Nachum; justiceseeker93

Careful about using “hussein”. Juan McAmnesty will get his drawers in knot and rebuke you for it! Check this out:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1976608/posts

Just when I think I might be able to stomach voting for McCain (albeit with great reluctance), he manages to do or say something that makes me think “never mind.”

Folks, we’re a screwed come November unless a literal miracle happens before or at the GOP convention.


45 posted on 02/26/2008 12:23:53 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Changing things in Washington is not unlike changing a baby’s diaper. It gets dirty again.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

These must be tough times for the Jewish Democrats in the remaining primary states. If they really gave a darn about their Jewishness, they shouldn’t even show up at the polls to choose between these two.


46 posted on 02/26/2008 12:25:04 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Nachum; justiceseeker93

Also see here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1976616/posts

McAmnesty cusses in the foulest terms conservatives that differ with him, but he apologizes to those “across the aisle” when a conservative says something “not nice” about someone “across the aisle.”

We need to have another line on the ballots: “do over”.


47 posted on 02/26/2008 12:30:49 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Changing things in Washington is not unlike changing a baby’s diaper. It gets dirty again.)
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To: Anti-Hillary
But, according to Obama, backing the Jews' biblical, historical and legal claim to all of the land in question "can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel."

Well, then what can be the measure of that "friendship," Mr. Obama?

Here are a couple more questions:

Should Jews be allowed to freely visit the place where Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are buried? I'm not asking whose money or stamps will be used at that place. I'm asking if they should be allowed to visit at least as freely as you can visit Westminster Abbey.

Should Israel be allowed to retain absolute sovereingty over Tel Aviv? over Sderot? over the Old City of Jerusalem?

ML/NJ
48 posted on 02/26/2008 12:33:14 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Anti-Hillary
Jews who vote as a bloc for the RAT had better wake up. And if you are a Bible believing Christian this is a call to prayer! This man may not be the anti-Christ but he has that spirit!

God have mercy on this country!!!

I don't know why anyone is concerned about Obama dividing Israel. President Bush has been demanding the same thing from Israel, and he has said "there will be a Palestinian state before he leaves office." Bush has applied tremendous pressure on Israel. In fact, I would say he's coerced them with his threats. I AM a Bible believing Christian and I KNOW what the Bible says about any country who turns their back on Israel. Forget mercy, because Bush is doing this, he is bringing God's Judgment on America, and just because we're Americans doesn't mean we are going to escape His wrath!! We can see America falling apart before our very eyes!

49 posted on 02/26/2008 1:06:58 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Red6
And the Jewish community largely backs the Democrats why?

Let's not forget that our current (Republican) President has the exact same plan -- dividing Israel. "Two-state solution."

50 posted on 02/26/2008 1:10:45 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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