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1 posted on 02/25/2008 12:51:24 PM PST by Man50D
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To: ancient_geezer; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Jaysun; ...

Fair Tax ping!


2 posted on 02/25/2008 12:51:53 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

it costs him $50 million...fair tax or no fair tax...*sigh*

an advocate of the fair tax, but still needs to get his information correct...


3 posted on 02/25/2008 12:55:34 PM PST by stefanbatory
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To: Man50D

Listen, any time a liberal see the word “tax” they get a tingly feeling that runs up their leg.


5 posted on 02/25/2008 12:57:04 PM PST by Obadiah
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Why don’t democrats like the fair tax, even though it does everything they say they support?

Simple answer for this guy - they are about control - they could care less whether they “tax the rich” or “redistribute to the poor”, it’s about them being in control of the distribution.


6 posted on 02/25/2008 12:59:04 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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As this guy points out, the fair tax is anything BUT fair.

In its zeal to extract a pound of flesh from that dastardly “rich guy”, it screws savers, retirees, and anyone who prizes productivity and thrift over consumption. Those folks pay twice.

Of course, this explains why a class warfare populist nut like Huckabee likes it.


9 posted on 02/25/2008 1:03:53 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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Our economy needs a simple, transparent, and progressive tax system. The FairTax is the answer. Democrats should give it another look and a fair chance.

Professor Kotlikoff appears to be operating under the notion that Democrats actually want a tax system that operates fairly. That is the last thing they actually desire.

Democrats will oppose the Fair Tax for one simple reason... they can not use it to manipulate social policy, reward friends, or punish opponents as they can currently do with the Income Tax.

10 posted on 02/25/2008 1:07:08 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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I am SURE liberals LOVE the ‘fair tax’ right down to the nice Orwellian name.

Watch the comments here from pro- fair tax people. We can’t even get them to drop the ‘tax inclusive’ scheme. (because it shows that a 23% ‘tax-inclusive’ rate is really more like 30% the way you normally consider sales tax)


13 posted on 02/25/2008 1:10:04 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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Mr. Megabucks is going to buy his jet offshore and put it in an offshore holding company just like many people presently do to avoid the mere sales tax of some states. All very legal and nice and proper.

The author has no clue about real world business.


22 posted on 02/25/2008 1:16:34 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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"Our economy needs a simple, transparent, and progressive tax system."

No, our economy needs a simple, transparent, EQUAL-RATE tax system. One that doesn't punish the earners and reward the deadbeats. Unfortunately, the fair tax as it's presented does not achieve this goal.

23 posted on 02/25/2008 1:18:05 PM PST by meyer (Still conservative, no longer Republican)
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The mere fact that it is called the “Fair Tax” is reason enough for the Dems to oppose it. Call it the “Unfair Tax” and they will support it.


24 posted on 02/25/2008 1:18:28 PM PST by Brilliant
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Fair-Tax

SEE ALSO:
fairy tale
Function:
noun
Date:
1749

1 a: a story (as for children) involving fantastic forces and beings (as fairies, wizards, and goblins) —called also fairy story b: a story in which improbable events lead to a happy ending2: a made-up story usually designed to mislead


The problem is not the tax system - it is the corpulent, corrupt government it feeds.

Changing the tax system is nothing more than a three-card Monte game unless you fix the underlying problem. Does anyone really think the government will take in less taxes with a different system?

27 posted on 02/25/2008 1:20:56 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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You may be an income tax lover if you:

1. …believe that taxing the creation of wealth is better for the economy than taxing the wealth when it is spent.

2. …believe that returning people’s tax payments to them is welfare.

3. …have no problem with a tax code that is wordier than the Bible.

4. …believe the IRS is a good department and does a good job.

5. …believe that the worst thing you could do is tax the wealth of old geezers who are living off of the sweat of the younger workforce.

6. …love to tell everyone you see that the FairTax was created by Scientologists.

7. …believe that what Bruce Bartlett says is the gospel and that scores of other credentialed economists are only paid shills.

8. …have a habit of going to online chat rooms and posting insults about the “Fairy Taxers.”

9. …think that calculating a tax the same way as the tax it is replacing is dishonest.

10. …think the economy has always been fine under the income tax.

11. …call the FairTax a “cult” because you can’t think of anything else to say.

12. …believe that cutting one tax by 25% and raising another by the same amount is inflationary.

13. …think inflation is caused by high taxes.

14. …think Milton Friedman is an idiot.

15. …have a soft spot in your heart for European style VAT’s.

16. …wrote the ten planks to the Communist Manifesto.

17. …think the prebate is Marxist but not the Communist Manifesto.

18. …sell some sort of tax advantaged product.

19. …claim you clamor for tax reform but have no earthly idea how to do that.

20. ...howl in outrage when the BATF violates the 2nd Amendment but have no concerns when the IRS violates the 1st, 4th and 5th Amendments.

21. ...believe that having the bottom 50% of income earners pay little or nothing to the government has the best chance of limiting that government.

23. ...think that people give to charity just because there is an income tax.

42 posted on 02/25/2008 1:39:10 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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Taxes are more than simply a source of revenue.

Taxes are also largely about control.

To most Dems (and a fair number of Pubbies) a tax structure with a higher revenue generation but low control is less desirable than one with a lower revenue generation, but more control.

That’s how I see it anyway.

46 posted on 02/25/2008 1:44:14 PM PST by El Sordo
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“Thus, it’s remarkable that so many Democrats, with the exception of presidential candidate Mike Gravel, oppose the FairTax”

Not really. The FT significantly reduces the control of the masses to which the DhimmiRats incessantly aspire.
No...no surprise that they don’t support the FT.

And, the plane analogy seriously misspeaks the FT plan. This author needs to get the facts straight before spewing more incorrect information. We have enough of an uphill battle with the FT, without idiots like this adding to the burden.


50 posted on 02/25/2008 1:49:53 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion)
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"Take Mr. Megabucks, who is sitting on $65 million ..."

Sitting on? Meaning he's already paid the US. Government around $35 million in income taxes leaving him with that amount to "sit on".

"Mr. Megabucks gets the jet, but the extra $15 million ... goes to Uncle Sam."

So now Mr. Megabucks sends another $15 million to the U.S. Government? Whew! This is "fair"?

64 posted on 02/25/2008 2:13:47 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Man50D

Because Dems like tax cuts for the rich?


69 posted on 02/25/2008 2:30:18 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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Take Mr. Megabucks, who is sitting on $65 million and wants to buy a jet like Oprah Winfrey's - a 10-passenger, $50 million Global Express XRS. Under the FairTax, the jet costs him an extra $15 million because of the 30 percent sales tax. Mr. Megabucks gets the jet, but the extra $15 million, which he had budgeted for Beluga caviar, Dom Pérignon, and other flight snacks, goes to Uncle Sam.

Mr. Megabucks would not buy the jet in the US. Thus killing the jobs/businesses of the people who build them.

And the Dom Perignon and caviar are business expenses.

71 posted on 02/25/2008 2:31:49 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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Thus, it's remarkable that so many Democrats, with the exception of presidential candidate Mike Gravel, oppose the FairTax

Democrat = Marxist

Marxist tax system = income tax

75 posted on 02/25/2008 2:48:40 PM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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