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Montanans Insist on Gun Rights
The Washington Times ^ | February 25, 2008 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 02/25/2008 3:21:43 PM PST by kellynla

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To: Travis McGee

Not that there’s anything wrong with .22LRs.

There’s got to be hundreds of thousands of those around.


101 posted on 02/26/2008 6:26:14 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: DuncanWaring
That’s amazing. Can you imagine what twenty guys like that could do with CETMEs? THey coulda defended france from the nazis all by themselves.
102 posted on 02/26/2008 6:41:22 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: DuncanWaring
The record for rapid-fire bolt-action accuracy is 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in 60 seconds. With an Enfield. In 1914.

Dang, that guy could shoot!

103 posted on 02/26/2008 6:51:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: mamelukesabre

The Scope base (home made)......

http://www3.sympatico.ca/shooters/ScopeMount.htm

And the stocks for yer old enfield.......

http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=3

I have done this stuff to a number of the enfields.....my favorite truck gun is an old Gibbs rifle Company Bulldog cut down of the enfield I converted too the 54R round.

Nice cheap reliable rifles......

Stay safe !


104 posted on 02/26/2008 6:52:31 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Self reamed chambers, fire formed brass adn angle iron scope mounts: you gotta love it, backyard smithing!


105 posted on 02/26/2008 6:53:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: 2111USMC

You got that right. And they silence real nice.


106 posted on 02/26/2008 6:54:51 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep.......all on a 70$ surplus rifle using a cheap tasco 6-18X 40$ scope. I went whole hog and got an ATI sporter stock and then after careful masking had the entire rig coated with truck bed-liner from Line-X Inc !

it’ll weather realllllll good !..........;o)


107 posted on 02/26/2008 6:58:53 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

Kind of reminds me of the fictional $150 Nagant rig I hypothosized could shoot traitors at 500 yards.


108 posted on 02/26/2008 7:01:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Squantos

Truck bed liner, you mean that Rhino liner stuff? I never thought of using it on guns. South Africans pioneered its use in the beds of giant open pit mine dump trucks. If it’ll stand up to that, I reckon guns should be an easy day.


109 posted on 02/26/2008 7:03:41 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep ....the key IMO is that line-x is finer that Rhino bed liner which is pretty aggressive grit per se. Kinda like 50 grit sandpaper vs 500 grit paper.

I have a few older surplus rifles that were of no collector value at all......I elected to “make” em good general purpose working guns. I gave a couple to ranchers and local farmers for hunting rights. Good trade !.....LOL !

When someone pulls out their 5k sniper rig with 3k worth of optics I pull one of those old sleepers out from under the seat of the truck , clean off the scope with my T-Shirt and shoot with em.......:o)

All fun !


110 posted on 02/26/2008 7:11:22 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos

I’d love to see that! No rifle case, just drag it out, trailing jumper cables and McDonald’s trash. Then out shoot their 5K rigs!


111 posted on 02/26/2008 7:13:54 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: mamelukesabre
I believe it. But I’d bet a dollar that at least 75% of those firearms are, for all practical purposes, useless to a militia.

Then you'd be wrong- At least in the Rockies and the Missouri Breaks. There is hardly a house that doesn't have multiple guns... 7mm, 30.06, 30-30, 308 are a dime a dozen. 12 ga, 20ga shotguns are everywhere, pistols run toward .357mag, .45, and 9mm, and are plentiful.

Kids learn to shoot dang near before they learn to read, and usually bag a deer before entering junior high school. You'd be hard pressed to find a kid that hasn't gone plinkin' gophers, and every pickup has gun racks.

Guns aren't just keepsakes here-abouts, they're a way of life.

112 posted on 02/26/2008 7:23:17 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Travis McGee
Right after high school, I worked at a Rose's department store, where we sold old surplus military rifles.

Hardly a week went by that we didn't have Mosin-Nagants, Mausers, or Enfields on sale, sometimes as cheap as $20. While a number of these rifles were in need of some serious refurbishment, there were quite a few that looked to be in excellent shape.

I bought several of these rifles during the year I worked there, but looking back, I wish I'd picked up more while I was at it.

Oh well.
Sigh.
Hindsight is always twenty-twenty.

113 posted on 02/26/2008 7:23:50 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: Travis McGee

I try , yet not always successful.......:o)

There are hunters here that will shoot their deer, put the rifle behind the seat of the truck with the empty brass still in the chamber and then next season pull out the rifle , use a mallet too open the bolt and chamber a fresh round and go get their deer for that season and put the rifle back in same condition........it’s no less than a tire iron too them . A simple tool that does a simple job ..........:o)


114 posted on 02/26/2008 7:31:54 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Stonewall Jackson

You ain’t kidding about hindsight. Too bad we don’t get “do-overs.”


115 posted on 02/26/2008 7:34:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Squantos

I’ve known a couple of those one-round-per-year deer hunters. Sighting in is just for new rifles and scopes, one time.


116 posted on 02/26/2008 7:35:34 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

ROTFLMAO!!!


117 posted on 02/26/2008 7:37:25 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: Travis McGee
My friend and I were down at the range a few years ago. There were the usual lined up shooters, with long billed hats, sun shades clipped to one side of the bill, and $$ leather jackets all trussed up, and of course the glove on the rest arm, they laughed at my freind and I who showed up in jean cutoffs, and tee shirts.

We placed first and second on a 80 round match. Shut them up quick.

M1A's with iron sights, both.

118 posted on 02/26/2008 7:58:19 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

Must have good eyes!


119 posted on 02/26/2008 8:15:16 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
got my eye guy to grind a set of lenses that focus at 24 inches. The front blade is crystal clear. The ring is fuzzy, but the center of it is still the center, and the black dot out at range on the paper is also somewhat fuzzy, but the center is still the center.

However

I did break down and built a heavy barral .308 with mauser 98 action, topped with a leopold tactical and custom Mcmillan stock for a treat to myself. I shoot it more and more now. Still trying to master the mil dots. :-))

120 posted on 02/26/2008 8:23:37 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

Good trick with the 24 inch lenses. Gotta keep that in mind.


121 posted on 02/26/2008 8:26:22 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
hey, it works. Next time you get your peepers adjusted, ask the doc to figure out what correction you need to focus from your cornea to your front sight, and use them for shooting glasses.

It's a bitch though to switch to handguns, unless you hold them out to arm's length as well.

122 posted on 02/26/2008 8:32:58 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: inneroutlaw

Surely there is one warm sunny spot to be found in Montana.....


123 posted on 02/26/2008 8:33:13 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: mamelukesabre

http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=14


124 posted on 02/27/2008 5:03:17 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: mamelukesabre

There is no such thing as a “silly” round. Not even a .25 ACP. With some of the weaker calibers, you just need to be a LOT more accurate in your shot place to be effective.


125 posted on 02/27/2008 5:04:22 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Oh, I’d argue that strenuously. I’d call a 44 henry rimfire a silly round. I don’t care if you got a thousand of them stashed away. You got no business shooting them or relying on them for self defense. Power level has nothing to do with it. It’s the obsolescence and age and reliability of the powder. Not to mention, the collector value is such that shooting them is just dumb.
126 posted on 02/27/2008 5:56:35 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: TChris
Your #71 is EXCELLENT!

There is no such thing as a "collective right". To even consider such a concept is to fundamentally abdicate the basis of our government and the Constitution which defines it.

Let's hope our SC understands that and "infringement" (as in you have the individual RKBA but government entities can "regulate" that right--IOW infringe on it).

127 posted on 02/27/2008 6:05:29 AM PST by Sal (We elected you to represent us; not to replace us! We the People ARE the government. You are NOT.)
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To: mamelukesabre
It's zero-dark:30. You hear a noise downstairs. The only thing you have to defend yourself with is either your bare hands, or that antique Henry rimfire.

What do you choose?

End of argument...

128 posted on 02/27/2008 6:33:38 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: kellynla
GOD BLESS MONTANA!!!
129 posted on 02/27/2008 6:50:31 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: elkfersupper

50 degrees and sunny here yesterday and today. I can see the north side of Yellowstone Park from my living room window. Our weather is not as bad as let on. Don’t tell anyone though.


130 posted on 02/27/2008 7:11:05 AM PST by doogal
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To: Dead Corpse

No, not at all. Because if I really needed a home defense weapon and all I had was an antique henry rimfire, i woulda sold it long time ago for impressive coin. Then bought a glock or a stainless smith, or maybe two or three of each.

Or, If I had an attachment to the old museum piece, I would’ve sold some of the ammo and bought an old police issue revolver and keep the henry locked in a safe.


131 posted on 02/27/2008 9:31:22 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre
All of which has nothing to do with the scenario.

The fact remains, anything is better than nothing. Although, having "something", absent the will to use it, is pointless.

132 posted on 02/27/2008 9:42:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Squantos

That’s kinda cool.

That’s not quite what I had in mind though. I was thinking that if I could get my hands on a dozen old 303s with throat erosion for maybe $35 bucks a rifle, I could do the ream job on them and get about 5000 rounds of russian ammo and I’d have myself a fairly impressive doomsday arsenal to hide somewhere and forget about. And for not too much cash either. I could think of a few other goodies to add to it too.


133 posted on 02/27/2008 9:49:12 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Same idea, we cache stuff for a rainy day and figure such tools have to be cheap enough to abandon or suffer a theft if discovered. we look at spring set so go with revolvers and bolt guns for the most part or MAK90’s with the springs removed from the rifles and the magazines, Extensive efforts to leave Sino Soviet ammo tins intact and unopened / sealed as they look at long term storage as well. Their efforts are quality and reliable for the most part making anyone good or poor quality cache reliable as well.


134 posted on 02/27/2008 9:55:58 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Dead Corpse
The fact remains that I would never find myself in a situation where all I had was an antique henry. I’d never buy something like that in the first place. And If I acquired it by dead relatives, it’d either get sold immediately or locked up for posterity...possibly not even in my house...if it really was valuable.

If all you had was a ford model T would you use it to commute to work? See, ridiculous question ain’t it?

135 posted on 02/27/2008 10:00:23 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre
If all you had was a ford model T would you use it to commute to work?

Yes. If it was the only way to get to work.

136 posted on 02/27/2008 10:06:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Travis McGee
There are very good uses for a rifle that can hit at 500 yards, fired only one shot per engagement.

I bought one of those Ishapore Enfields in 7.62 NATO kind of on a whim a couple years back. Paid $125.00 for it. Obviously it's a mil-surp so I had it checked out, headspaced, etc.

The gunsmith told me that it had probably only been fired a few times at most.

That thing has one of the smoothest and fastest bolt actions I've ever fired. It's also accurate out to 400 yards. Can't say if it's capable of better as I've never had the opportunity to test it beyond that range.

The magazine holds 10 rounds.

I liked it so much I bought 2 more. The first one I 'sporterized'. I hung a four power scope on it and it's a darn handy little hunting rifle.

The other two I had checked with similar results, cleaned 'em up, zero'd them, and put them into 'storage' along with a quantity of US Lake City surplus 7.62 ammo for each.

Those old Enfields are capable of much better than 'minute of man' I'll tell you. Ringing a 10 skillet at 400 yards over iron sights is childs play for those things.

Are they heavy? Yep.

Are they old? Yep.

Do they go 'bang' every time you pull the trigger? Yep.

Are they worth having? F****** A they are.

And when I pull old Mr. Enfield out at the range and some smart ass goes "whatcha gonna do with that antique old man?" I just smile and put 10 rounds in the black faster than that young punk can spit.

Then I just smile and say "Oh, I don't know. It could come in handy someday..." More often than not someone asks me where I got it and if any more are available.

Wish I'd bought half a dozen of 'em now...

L

137 posted on 02/27/2008 11:02:56 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: mamelukesabre

I have one with a SWAT 10 x 24 scope, will hold sub-minute easily at 100 yards. With a 16 inch barrel no less. Plan on a trigger upgrade though.

Gunner


138 posted on 02/27/2008 11:08:11 AM PST by weps4ret (Things the make you go; Hmmmmmmm?)
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To: mamelukesabre
Dude, get with the times. M14s are antiques.

With my 'antique' M1A (civilian version of the M14) I can put a round through your head at 800 yards and one through your buddies chest before he ever hears the shots that killed you both.

You might want to drop by Camp Perry someday during the National Matches. You'd be suprised just how many of those 'antique' M14 variants you'll see winning long distance matches.

You write many words, yet seem to have very little practical knowledge.

From a concealed position me and my 'antique' M1A can make sure that nothing I object to lives in a 1600 yard radius. We may be old, but we'll still wreck your whole day my friend.

L

139 posted on 02/27/2008 11:11:34 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: archy
See posts 137 and 139. Nice to see you about.

Regards,

L

140 posted on 02/27/2008 11:13:22 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: DuncanWaring
Aren’t those actually Ishapore 2A Enfields, chambered for .308?

Yep. Got 3 of 'em.

See post 137.

L

141 posted on 02/27/2008 11:14:44 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Squantos
If ya want the plans to an angle iron scope base for your enfield let me know and I will link ya too that as well !

Please do. The manufacturer who made the one I bought no longer has any and doesn't plan any more production.

Thanks!

142 posted on 02/27/2008 11:17:56 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lurker

http://www3.sympatico.ca/shooters/ScopeMount.htm

Vauge but 100% functional and can be left as rough or refined as ya wish.

I drilled out mine aka honeycombed it, counter sinked each hole, then bead blasted the hell out of it. went back and did some experimental acid etching etc etc ......left a little EOD logo on it. It didn’t look as well as I wanted so I blasted that poor boy etching off it and then , as I stated to TM above, used the bedliner material on it from Line-x. I used different shades of grey, black etc to make the little rifle, stock, metal, and the scope look really nice.

Careful prep of parts and all the accuracy work was done before the final finish and it shoots great after final assembly.


143 posted on 02/27/2008 12:05:37 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Montana4Jesus

A wise man once told me never to ‘advertise’ what weapons you have. YOu never know who may be listening.


144 posted on 02/27/2008 12:10:55 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: kellynla

I’m glad to see Montana hasn’t been totally overrun by California liberals yet.


145 posted on 02/27/2008 12:15:45 PM PST by JZelle
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To: Lurker; archy

Somewhere upthread somebody posted a standing record from the 19teens, where a shooter with an Enfield put something like 38 rounds into a 12 inch target at 200 yards in a minute. I’ve always heard the Enfield had the fastest bolt action ever.


146 posted on 02/27/2008 12:24:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Squantos
Thanks my friend.

Send me a pic of that thing and I'll show you what I did to mine.

L

147 posted on 02/27/2008 12:28:36 PM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: kellynla

Sec. 15. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.

Connecticut state Constitution


148 posted on 02/27/2008 12:37:50 PM PST by kidd
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To: Travis McGee; archy; Squantos
During WWI the Brits used the Mad Minute during which they were supposed to fire 15 aimed rounds and hit a target 300 yards away.

You can watch a modern recreation of it on Youtube.

The Brits used those old Enfields to great effect through 2 World Wars. Trained British riflemen could fire the Enfields so quickly that enemy troops were often convinced they were facing machine guns instead of bolt action rifles.

L

149 posted on 02/27/2008 12:44:57 PM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: Travis McGee
I’ve always heard the Enfield had the fastest bolt action ever.

Since I haven't as of yet actually fired every single bolt action ever made I can't really comment. I know the Swiss K-31 Carbine has a straight pull bolt which may make it just a touch quicker. But that rifle has a magazine capacity of only 6 rounds.

Not that that niggling little detail would matter to a Swiss rifleman. No self respecting Swiss shooter could look at him or her self in the mirror if it took more than a single round to bring down their target.

L

150 posted on 02/27/2008 12:52:47 PM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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