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Montanans Insist on Gun Rights
The Washington Times ^ | February 25, 2008 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 02/25/2008 3:21:43 PM PST by kellynla

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To: Lurker

Cool video!


151 posted on 02/27/2008 12:54:22 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
I wouldn't want to come up against that guy in a firefight.

Most likely a 'professional' would ignore the fat old bald fart lugging that heavy antique rifle around and go for the younger punks toting their AR's, HK's and such.

The 'professional' would soon regret that decision I think...

L

152 posted on 02/27/2008 1:10:57 PM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: mamelukesabre
The harder it is to find the proper ammo, the less useful the firearm in a warzone.

That's why you buy what the enemy uses.

153 posted on 02/27/2008 1:14:21 PM PST by Centurion2000 (su - | chown -740 us ./base | kill -9 | cd / | rm -r)
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To: kellynla

Today’s fascist government can’t be trusted. That’s why we need individual posession of the means of self-defense.


154 posted on 02/27/2008 1:20:46 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (just try to take it away!)
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To: Lurker

Good for you. I’m still not buying one. You can keep yours. That way you can continue to be the idiot that likes to tell people how easily you can kill them.


155 posted on 02/27/2008 4:37:36 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: Travis McGee
Have you ever fired one? It’s the way the mechanism compresses the spring when you push the bolt FORWARD. Most bolt actions compress the spring as you unlock the bolt. Also, the locking lugs seem to be very slippery somehow. Lifting the bolt to unlock and then locking the bolt are very effortless movements...unlike the german mauser. It’s kind of a kookie looking thing, but it is fun to see how fast you can cycle it. If you havn’t tried one out, you should. It’s a unique mechanism. IIRC, if you open the bolt without pulling the trigger, in otherwords, eject an unfired round while the spring is still compressed...the spring decompresses as it “springs” the bolt to the rear. It’s unusual.

I would expect a very high quality mauser style bolt rifle with a shorter action, say for a 223, would be as fast as the old enfield.

I don’t know if these guns are true “bolt actions”, but there are some modern rifles made with a radial pattern locking bolt, like on the M16. These kind don’t have a knob that moves in the traditional “L” shaped path to open and close. Just pull it straight back. These might be a bit quicker. But not as gratifying to operate.

156 posted on 02/27/2008 5:33:55 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: kellynla

2nd amm bump


157 posted on 02/27/2008 8:14:28 PM PST by tjeff1776 (vote early, vote often)
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To: doogal
Road trip scheduled.

Thanks for the weather report!

158 posted on 02/28/2008 6:39:49 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: mamelukesabre
Just came across this thread referenced from another and read your post. Take a look at the Saiga as well, .308 with AK reliability. Not a tack driver, but a really well constructed combat quality rifle. F.Y.I. Less expensive.

Here's the Saiga forum web address: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?
159 posted on 03/08/2008 4:02:14 PM PST by Sudetenland (McQueeg or Obama? McQueeg or Obama? Emotionally Unstable or Socialist? Decisions decisions!)
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To: Sudetenland

Cool. Thanks. The link didn’t work, but I found it on my own. I like the 12 ga shotgun too. Now I’ve got even more to think about.


160 posted on 03/09/2008 2:07:52 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

still being manufactured by several sources including Remington. Don’t knock it it’s a proven stopper at 800 meters. Brits were very good with those iron sights. Used to have one, I could cut the 10 spot on a 300 yard target with iron sights.


161 posted on 03/09/2008 6:06:41 PM PDT by Sudetenland
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To: LucyT

hey that’s only 1 or 2 less than me!


162 posted on 03/12/2008 6:26:50 PM PDT by AmericanDave (Over it's not, till over it IS, Jedi....... Yoda Berra)
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To: mamelukesabre

“A 303 british is just about useless. Where are you going to get reliable ammo?”

Try Surplus City, or Sportsmans Warehouse, or Cabellas. Modern manufacture, and it’s a very effective round.

Don’t forget mail order online for large quantities!


163 posted on 03/12/2008 6:35:40 PM PDT by AmericanDave (Over it's not, till over it IS, Jedi....... Yoda Berra)
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To: ol' hoghead

And Texas, a prior sovereign nation, has the right to secede.

The Supremes better think this though!


164 posted on 03/12/2008 6:38:15 PM PDT by AmericanDave (Over it's not, till over it IS, Jedi....... Yoda Berra)
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To: Spktyr

“Also, it takes them a while to figure out where the rounds are coming from, if the shooter does his job properly.”

Luckily our military, I doubt would enforce such a breach of the Constitution.

I can only see the local police Chiefs as possibly trying to enforce a gun seizure (in certain liberal cities), and they can be overwhelmed if foolish enough to give bad orders....
I doubt any police force in Texas would try it (except maybe for Houston).


165 posted on 03/12/2008 6:48:10 PM PDT by AmericanDave (Over it's not, till over it IS, Jedi....... Yoda Berra)
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To: mamelukesabre
Are you kidding, all you have to do is reload the 303 Ammo, also people like Cabilla, or Mid Way arms carry 303 ammo in stock. For your information the British 303 has probably killed more big game than any other caliber going. Due to the number of those rifles in Africa. Do not cast any aspersions on the old venerable 303 Brit. I don't want to be in front of one and have a good shot shooting at me. Yes I do own a 303 Brit and it holds a place of high esteem in my opinion.
166 posted on 03/12/2008 6:48:19 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: mamelukesabre
Are you kidding, all you have to do is reload the 303 Ammo, also people like Cabilla, or Mid Way arms carry 303 ammo in stock. For your information the British 303 has probably killed more big game than any other caliber going. Due to the number of those rifles in Africa. Do not cast any aspersions on the old venerable 303 Brit. I don't want to be in front of one and have a good shot shooting at me. Yes I do own a 303 Brit and it holds a place of high esteem in my opinion.
167 posted on 03/12/2008 6:48:22 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: Lurker

“I know the Swiss K-31 Carbine has a straight pull bolt which may make it just a touch quicker.”

had one in High School, smooth action, but kind of jerky. The Krag is smoother. I’ll have to take the SMLE and the Krag to the range and do some testing!


168 posted on 03/12/2008 7:08:25 PM PDT by AmericanDave (Over it's not, till over it IS, Jedi....... Yoda Berra)
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To: BooBoo1000

No, I’m not kidding. 303 british doesn’t use standard .308 bullets. It uses an oddball diameter bullet.


169 posted on 03/12/2008 7:20:38 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: AmericanDave

That comment of mine you are quoting was in the context of a war in progress. Just because some warehouse in finland stocks a few oddball calibers doesn’t mean those calibers are of any use to a guy in montana getting shot at by the enemy.


170 posted on 03/12/2008 7:23:25 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

But you are mistaken, the cartridge is very much in production and for the cost of a new gun you could buy much ammo for your old .303.......


171 posted on 03/12/2008 7:38:34 PM PDT by AmericanDave (Over it's not, till over it IS, Jedi....... Yoda Berra)
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To: AmericanDave

Not interested. Somewhere on this thread, or possibly another related thread, someone else came up with a good idea that I like.

Ream out the chamber of your old 303 british so that it will accept 7.62x54R russian ammo.

That’s a good idea. You can still buy lots of cheap surplus russian ammo. And there’s the added benefit that you can take a crappy old enfield rifle with bad throat erosion and turn it into a good rifle. This is possible because the russian cartridge is longer than the british cartridge. So when the chamber is cut deeper into the bore, the bad part of the barrel is cut out.

Presto! new rifle.

303 is junk as far as im concerned.


172 posted on 03/12/2008 7:44:54 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

So what we are talking about a desigination 303 Brit, not the bullet, we are talking about the rifle.


173 posted on 03/12/2008 8:28:01 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: BooBoo1000

Look, here it is spelled out for you...

THere’s lots of choices for 308 bullets if you’re going to load your own. For 303 british, you got little to no choices. If you are going to use what’s on the shelf at the average gun shop, you could very well be SOL.

If you don’t like to load your own, your odds of finding 303 ammo at your local small town hardware store/gas station is slim to none and slim’s skipped town.(he went to the big city where the gun shops have better selections, but still shit for 303 british)


174 posted on 03/12/2008 8:38:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

Who looks in the local gas station for ammuniation, no one, anyone with a 303 Brit will have enough sense to go to a gun show and come home with a pick up load of ammo, or call Mid Way Arms, you just want to argue.


175 posted on 03/12/2008 8:49:00 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: mamelukesabre

Who looks in the local gas station for ammuniation, no one, anyone with a 303 Brit will have enough sense to go to a gun show and come home with a pick up load of ammo, or call Mid Way Arms, you just want to argue.


176 posted on 03/12/2008 8:49:13 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: BooBoo1000

Maybe I do, but at least I don’t post everything twice. As for gas stations...patrick schwazee does. Ever seen the movie “red dawn”? LOL!

Seriously, I got tired of getting burnt(figuratively, not literally) on 303 ammo. So much of it is so old it goes off like a flint lock...if at all. The hammer falls...wait a second and a half...BANG! THen clear the chamber and inspect the bore and try it again with fingers crossed.

No thanks.


177 posted on 03/12/2008 9:08:01 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: AmericanDave
Check out the video in post 139.

L

178 posted on 03/13/2008 8:05:37 AM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: mamelukesabre

The Brittish .303 takes a .311 bullet.


179 posted on 03/13/2008 2:08:39 PM PDT by ol' hoghead (He is not here; for he is risen.)
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To: LucyT

8 guns is awesome
i have two modern pistols and three antique guns
three more and i get to be a Montanan :)


180 posted on 03/13/2008 2:11:25 PM PDT by DM1
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To: mamelukesabre; Spktyr

>Tell ya what, if there’s a war like in the movie “red dawn”, I’ll give you my old mauser with bayonet, and you can go capture some machineguns with it. I’ll cover you from a distance with my bushmaster.<

For an operation such as you describe I would prefer a .22 or maybe a .22 Mag. Much easier to silence than your old mauser.


181 posted on 03/28/2008 4:15:18 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( (Give a person a fish .......Teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks)
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To: mamelukesabre

>If you’re carrying a stupid old 303, what are the odds, you think, that one of the others might have a few of those 303s in their pocket?<

Have you ever thought to stock up on powder, primers and few thousand bullets or maybe just a bullet mold. An old car battery will turn out about 100 bullets for you when it is melted down.


182 posted on 03/28/2008 4:24:29 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( (Give a person a fish .......Teach a person to use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks)
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To: B4Ranch

You can’t make lead bullets go faster than about 1000 ft/sec or you have serious problems. THey have to be copper jacketed. THerefore, your idea is a pretty dumb one. Besides, I think you’d find it pretty hard to come up with a .311 inch diameter bullet mold.


183 posted on 03/28/2008 6:33:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre

A subsonic.22 will kill you from 50 feet with absolutely no problems and you are worried about a 150 grain bullet not killing a man?

Where is your head these days?


184 posted on 03/28/2008 7:30:41 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: mamelukesabre

This is what you are referring to and here is the correction tips.

Low Pressure & High Velocity with Cast Bullets
http://www.jesseshunting.com/articles/guns/category16/9.html


185 posted on 03/28/2008 7:39:23 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: Lurker

This page may come in handy some day.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/shooters/303Page.htm


186 posted on 03/28/2008 7:57:02 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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To: B4Ranch
Very interesting.

ONe thing I dispute in that article is when he states that it was commonly accepted that 2000 ft/s was considered the upper limit. It seems to me that 1000 ft/s was considered the upper limit. I base this on the fact that 22 rimfire and 38 special ammo that went much beyond 1000 ft/s had copper plated lead bullets. Go a little faster than than that and you get the thin jacketed bullets such as the 22 magnum. Then finally, the full metal jacket bullets for full blown modern rifle speeds. I'm aware that there are guys making HARDcast bullets for 44 magnums that go a bit faster than 1000 ft/sec, but I consider that a special case. It's not ordinary lead and these guys doing it are not your typical dimbulbs either. But the idea that it's pressure, not speed, that limits cast lead use is intriguing. I'd never heard this claim before.

As for you post just before this one that I'm responding to...a bow and arrow is slower yet and still deadly, but I wouldm’t call that a good substitute for a modern military rifle. Nor would I call subsonic ammo a sensible substitute.

187 posted on 03/28/2008 8:33:27 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre
I have no idea why but you seem to be hung up on the latest is the greatest. In my opinion which I realize isn't worth its weight in manure the best weapon to use for self defense is one in which you have 100% confidence.

The weapon that you can practice with and polish your skills is the weapon for you. Not something that kicks like an enraged mule limiting you to four shots before your wrist or shoulder swells up and paralyzes you.

What I mean is if you are an old coot with arthritis then it's going to take you a bit longer to grab that 12 guage out of the corner, hoist it up to your shoulder, point and fire than it is for you to slip the revolver out of your belt and squeeze off six well placed rounds. Use what you are best with.

Now if your hearing has gone to hell and your dog is as old and decrepit as you are then for Pete's sake get an electronic alarm system that has motion detectors with all the latest cameras and automatic lighting system.

Odds are with that system you'll never have an actual intruder.

If you are arming for a when the shtf situation you are going to need more people for 24 hour protection. Yup, you'll be pulling guard duty if you are serious about staying alive. If I don't have any weapons and I see that you do, you can bet I am going to want yours. A few days of watching you and you can bet that one morning you will wake up and everything you have will be gone or perhaps you'll be dead and I'll have taken over your location. Won't be very difficult to sneak up on a man who is sleeping on a windy night and clean him out or club him with a rock

>Nor would I call subsonic ammo a sensible substitute.<

or very quietly put a tiny piece of lead behind his ear.

188 posted on 03/28/2008 9:18:48 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( Rope, Tree & Traitor; Some Assembly Required || Gun Control Means Never Having To Say I Missed You)
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