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Donít Blame Us For Berkeley/Toledo Attacks Against Marines Say Businesses
Publius' Forum ^ | 2/25/08 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 02/25/2008 3:35:24 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus

You're all aware, I'm sure, of the several attacks against our fighting men and women perpetrated by city governments of late. The Berkeley City Council, who intended to try and kick Marine recruiting offices out of the city, and Toledo, where Mayor Finkbeiner refused to allow the Marines to exit a bus in his city when they arrived to start planned upon exercises, are all over the news. It is also well known that in Toledo, Ohio and Berkeley, California protesters for and against the Marines have been deployed to face each other and the news media have been there to chronicle it all. But, one paper has taken it upon itself to try and excuse the very people who put these ignorant politicians into office who caused these rows in the first place.

The Toledo Free Press published a recent article titled "Controversy over Marines rejection impacts city's development efforts", the main thrust of which is that people shouldn't blame the businesses of either Toledo or Berkeley for the actions of their politicians. But, after seeing all the whining about lost revenue by the business community in both cities and after seeing them plead with people not to blame them for what their politicians do, it left me wondering why shouldn't we hold voters accountable for what their politicians do?

The TFP detailed the fact that several projects from corporations and businesses outside the city that were considering investing in Toledo have begun to report that they are reconsidering their investments there because of the actions of Mayor Finkbeiner. For instance, Ward Brewer, CEO of a Florida based corporation that had intended to bring a multi-million dollar project to Toledo, is putting a hold on plans until the situation is resolved in the Marines' favor.

Brewer, during a phone conversation from his Florida office, said Finkbeiner's handling of the Feb. 8 incident was “inexcusable.” He said he would be speaking with “Marines,” which he declined to name, before issuing a final decision.

And Brewer isn't the only one.

Brewer is not alone in his sentiment, according to a Feb. 13 e-mail from Toledo Regional Chamber of Commerce President Mark V'Soske. The chamber received more than 60 e-mails and 30 phone calls Feb. 11 that addressed Finkbeiner's actions. Several of the individuals who called or wrote indicated they would change plans and not visit Toledo, V'Soske wrote in the e-mail, which was sent to the chamber's board members. Others said they would relocate their meetings or conventions from Toledo or boycott the city's businesses.

The Toledo Free Press also reported the moaning of Ted Garrett, CEO of the Berkeley Chamber of Commerce who said his office has been flooded with cancellations for the businesses in Berkeley since the City Council's stupidity made national headlines.

Garrett said his staff has since been explaining to responders that the Berkeley chamber's viewpoint is not the same as the city's elected representatives.

“Unfortunately what's happening is our businesses are being targeted as result of the city council's actions,” Garrett said during a Feb. 12 phone conversation.

Garrett said several Berkeley restaurants and hotels received an “unprecedented” number of cancellations after the council's Jan. 29 actions. Most callers and writers, he said, are blaming “everyone other than the person who's responsible” for the incident.

“This couldn't have come at a worse time,” Garrett said. “The economy is in the throes of a recession and this now just adds insult to injury.”

OK, it is true that the businesses in these two cities are hurting as a result of the disgusting actions against our soldiers by the two city governments. But, to a patriotic American, it would seem to be logical and just deserts for the denizens of those two places. Losing revenue and business is exactly the sort of retaliation that Americans specialize in when they find a business or city that violates good taste and patriotism. The power of the purse is a persuasive force as these whiny businessmen are discovering.

And what does the TFP try to hand us? Pity for the very people who voted these idiots into office! The TFP gives us the finger wagging warnings of Steve Weathers, the CEO of the Regional Growth Partnership of Toledo, who says that, "... Elected officials are just that -- elected. They do turn over." It's all as if we shouldn't blame the people of Toledo for what their politicians do and Weathers also wants us not to blame his Toledo businesses for what the city government does. But, who the heck puts them there? Who the heck has the power to control what these governments do if not the businesses and people who put these ignoramus politicians into office in the first place?

Then the TFP switches tracks and tries to shift the blame even farther from the politicians who attacked our armed forces personnel. The TFP shows us who is really at fault for all this. Why it's all those evil conservatives’ fault! They quote John K. Hartman, a journalism professor at Central Michigan University, to that effect.

"Basically, [conservatives] are looking for a distraction. They're looking for something to get their people fired up about to get them to forget the country is turning away from their point of view,” Hartman said.

Ah, so it isn't the unpatriotic politicians in office who actually were the ones that attacked the Marines, it's the fault of conservatives who have the gall to get upset by it! Simply amazing.

But here is the truth. If a city council does something stupid, it is absolutely the fault of the people who voted them into power. And it is completely legitimate for those who do not support the actions of the democratically elected politicians to step back and divest in the businesses in that city as a protest against their actions. It is a perfectly legitimate and peaceful solution to speak out against these cities by taking business elsewhere.

In this way, the people of these cities are feeling the pressure of their own votes. If the citizens of Berkeley and Toledo still firmly support the actions of their city leaders, why then they will be perfectly willing to deal with the financial loss that accompanies that decision. If, on the other hand, they do NOT support the politicians, why then they have the opportunity to use their power as voters and business leaders to force their politicians to listen to them and alter their policies against our armed forces.

But, stop the whining, will ya? There's no whining in business. And if you have the backbone to stand up and loudly proclaim that you hate our soldiers, well then stop being wimps and say so. On the other hand, if you want to be true, patriotic Americans, also stand up for that and force your politicians to do what YOU want them to do.

After all, politicians are supposed to listen to the voters, right? And the voters are ultimately responsible for what those politicians do. And the Toledo Free Press is out of line to suggest otherwise.

See more at Publius' Forum.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; berkeley; boycott; cultureofcorruption; marines; notapeacemovement; toledo
They whine about being held accountabl3e for their OWN politicians!
1 posted on 02/25/2008 3:35:27 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Don’t Blame Us For Berkeley/Toledo Attacks Against Marines Say Businesses

Yes we will. You put the squeeze on the Polli (Greek for Many) TICians (any Ole country boy knows what TICs are) and you wouldn't have a problem.

Deal with it!

2 posted on 02/25/2008 3:41:08 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

“whining about lost revenue by the business community in both cities”

Get out there and protest the idiots in City Hall that YOU gave $ to for their election!


3 posted on 02/25/2008 3:47:39 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Emails = no response.

Lost biz = INSTANT attention.

Which way do they think people are going to go???

Morons

4 posted on 02/25/2008 3:48:31 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

BS. The rest of America shouldn’t hold them responsible for the Berkley attacks on the Marines, they are the ones who funded those scoundrels’ campaigns!

I say until they start supporting pro Marine Candidates: EVERYONE SHOULD HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE!


5 posted on 02/25/2008 3:49:33 PM PST by JSDude1 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56306 "MoveON McCain" To find McCain's Sorros)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

How many of these businessmen are upset enough with city council’s decision to bother to put a sign in their window visible to customers/clients stating that they disapprove of the local government’s antiAmerican actions.


6 posted on 02/25/2008 3:50:24 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
I wonder how these liberals differentiated between the South African government and South African businesses?

Oh wait...they didn't! And neither will we!

7 posted on 02/25/2008 3:54:59 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

I had a very polite exchange with the CEO of the Chamber of Commerce who claimed that many business owners don’t live in Berkeley so they have no vote.

I told him that it may not be their fault, but it is their responsibility.

If the businesses get caught in the crossfire then they need to figure out how to put pressure on the City council to fix the problem.

He did not disagree.


8 posted on 02/25/2008 3:55:07 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Exactly............Ted needs to pull his head out and let the businesses know who is killing their profits. It’s not the consumer killing em it’s the zipper headed idgits they elected. To promote anything in Berkley / Toledo is to aid a socialist system of asshats.

Not one dime or my time for any ville of that ilk......


9 posted on 02/25/2008 3:59:58 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Perfectly stated.


10 posted on 02/25/2008 4:02:14 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

These polidiots and their handlers are just out of control......time to take back America .

Hope yer well Lucky !

Stay safe !


11 posted on 02/25/2008 4:06:19 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

They represent you. Fire them and we’ll talk.


12 posted on 02/25/2008 4:06:41 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Umm bad actions have repercussions....time the libs quite biting the hand that feeds them and learn who butters their bread.
13 posted on 02/25/2008 4:06:50 PM PST by rolling_stone (same)
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To: Wil H
many business owners don’t live in Berkeley so they have no vote

Not true. The can vote with their feet. Berkeley can become a ghost town.

How will the residents feel when each of their goofy proclamations equal a tax increase?

14 posted on 02/25/2008 4:30:15 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Gee, the businessmen and women don't donate to the council members' political campaigns...?
15 posted on 02/25/2008 4:31:58 PM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Many of those squawking the loudest were probably marching in favor of sanctions against the businesses of apartheid South Africa


16 posted on 02/25/2008 4:32:56 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Sorry busness folk, but you are the ones who contribute to the campaigns of those pols, you are the ones who live in those communities, belong to the chamber of commerce, generate substantial tax revenue ... you are the ones that we can reach out and financially touch to express our displeasure and in turn, reach out to the pols. You better get your public servants on the horn and let them know which end is up.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 4:34:43 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Wil H
had a very polite exchange with the CEO of the Chamber of Commerce who claimed that many business owners don’t live in Berkeley so they have no vote.

They may not have a vote, but they probably contribute to political campaigns. Now they know which politicians it's in their financial interest to oppose

18 posted on 02/25/2008 4:35:38 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Since I can’t vote there I shall use my power over their purse to vote for me.

I shall spend not one dollar in Berkley.


19 posted on 02/25/2008 4:40:04 PM PST by NoLibZone (If the Clinton years were so great for the libs why is Obama doing so well?)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
...Ah, so it isn’t the unpatriotic politicians in office who actually were the ones that attacked the Marines, it’s the fault of conservatives who have the gall to get upset by it!

amen

20 posted on 02/25/2008 4:41:38 PM PST by strange1 ("Show the enemy harm so he shall not advance" Sun Tzu The Art of War)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Absolutely. These same "businessmen" undoubtedly sat by in contentment while the crud they elected embarrassed them. How many spoke up to disavow their towns' obscene behaviors before the cancellations started? My guess is--ZERO. Fat pansy bastards deserve to pay a price for their collusion and their silence-- "good Germans," all of them.
21 posted on 02/25/2008 4:55:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Wil H
I had a very polite exchange with the CEO of the Chamber of Commerce

Next time you get a chance ask him politely how many of those businessmen disavowed the city's actions before they began to lose money.

22 posted on 02/25/2008 4:59:09 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mobile Vulgus
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23 posted on 02/25/2008 4:59:14 PM PST by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: davidlachnicht

How about the businesses protesting these council in the windows, or better in print advertising?
/unlikely


24 posted on 02/25/2008 5:00:50 PM PST by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: DUMBGRUNT
The can vote with their feet. Berkeley can become a ghost town.

Are you willing to give up your livelihood for the actions of a few idiot politicians? Are you willing to give up your life savings for some dufus left-wing politician? Are you willing to put your family into poverty for some liberal politician? Are you willing to pull up stakes and move to another country if a democrat gets elected into the White House?

If you answer NO to any of those questions, you're being a hypocrit. If you answer Yes to any of those questions you're being an idiot.

25 posted on 02/25/2008 5:19:19 PM PST by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

So, the Chamber of Commerce crowd has the political power to push for shamnesty on a national scale but are helpless to fight for our Marines in Berkeley and Toledo? Sorry, I ain’t buyin’ it.


26 posted on 02/25/2008 5:22:56 PM PST by TADSLOS ( McCain-Feingold: "Good for thee but not for me"- John McCain)
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To: All; Mobile Vulgus

The petition

We, the undersigned condemn the Berkeley City Council’s treasonous attack on US Marine Recruiters stationed in their city. We ask that Congress cut off funds from any and all municipal entity within the confines of the city of Berkeley, California, until such time as the city council withdraws it’s action.

The City Council has voted to tell the Marines their downtown recruiting station is not welcome and “if recruiters choose to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests.”

The measure passed last week by a vote of 8-1.

The council also voted to explore enforcing a city anti-discrimination law, focusing on the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

In a separate item, the council voted, also 8-1, to give the Marxist protest group Code Pink a parking space in front of the recruiting office once a week for six months and a free sound permit for protesting once a week.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/cutoffberkeleynow

If you wish to, please share with your friends or e-mail to your address books. You DO NOT have to donate at the petition site, there will be a page asking for one for the site after you sign, just back out or exit. Your signature will already be on the petition.

http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com


27 posted on 02/25/2008 5:41:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: politicalwit

I agree with you. The business’ adversely affected by the boycott should remain there and give up their livelihood, life savings, and put their families into poverty, all because of some liberal politicians.


28 posted on 02/25/2008 5:56:55 PM PST by Gumption
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To: Mobile Vulgus; All
Have you seen this....

Berkeley Protester to Marines: 'Live Like Pigs, Die Like Pigs'

29 posted on 03/01/2008 4:11:46 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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