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MEMO TO CONSERVATIVES: THE FIGHT IS JUST BEGINNING
conservativehq.com ^ | Feb 25 2008 | Richard A. Viguerie

Posted on 02/25/2008 5:34:34 PM PST by ovrtaxt

Feb 25 2008 MEMO TO CONSERVATIVES: THE FIGHT IS JUST BEGINNING

by Richard A. Viguerie
 
The time has come for conservatives to move on, to shift priorities, and to work to elect conservatives at all levels now and in the years to come.  
 
For too long, conservatives have done most of the work necessary to elect Republican candidates, but, once elected, most of those Republicans have ignored conservatives’ concerns or have opposed conservatives outright.
 
These Republicans have taunted us: “What are you going to do? Vote for the liberal Democrats? Calm down and grow up, and keep supporting us even while we trash you and people like you and much of what you believe in.”
 
However, there is a third course – neither blind loyalty to an arrogant, out-of-touch Republican Establishment nor acquiescence in the election of liberal Democrats. We can shift our priorities to electing principled conservatives, and let GOP anti-conservatives fend for themselves.
 
We can stop – stop! – providing any support to organizations and candidates that do not follow conservative principles. For example, no conservative should give a penny to the various Republican campaign committees at the national level. Let them rely on the country club Big Business wing of the party, whose interests they represent and whose candidates they give most of their support. (Don’t worry; they won’t starve.)
 
Conservatives’ resources are finite. We must stop supporting the Republican Establishment, and, instead, support the principled conservatives who need and deserve our help.
 
This is a long-term strategy, rooted in this reality: It is from the ranks of the lower public and party officials that most future conservative leaders will come – perhaps, someday, another conservative president in the philosophical image of Ronald Reagan.
 
Last week, a mainstream conservative, State Senator Andy Harris, unseated U.S. Representative Wayne Gilchrist of Maryland in the Republican primary. (Gilchrist was elected in 1992 as a mainstream candidate but had moved toward the radical left.) It wasn’t the first time Harris challenged an incumbent liberal Republican; that’s how he won his state Senate seat in the first place.
 
Across this country, there are outstanding conservatives like Andy Harris who are running for Congress or state senate or some other office. For example, Woody Jenkins, who narrowly lost a U.S. Senate race in 1994, is running for Congress in the March 8 special election in Louisiana.
 
Unfortunately, in the presidential campaign, the GOP has once again rejected the strategy that won 44 states in 1980 and 49 states in 1984: the strategy of uniting social, economic, and national-security conservatives behind a conservative presidential candidate. But that doesn’t mean that conservatives should or will sit on their hands. It just means that, in 2008, they will shift their work and their resources to conservative candidates up and down the line. And, in November, conservatives and Establishment Republicans, and pro- and anti-McCain Republicans, can come together to elect those conservatives who are running on the Republican ticket.
 
It is in the races and political futures of Andy Harris and Woody Jenkins and leaders like them that conservatives should invest their time and effort and money, this year and for the foreseeable future. 
 
For conservatives to finally come to power – with conservatives in the White House and in the majority in Congress and in state legislatures and in other offices – will take a long time. Right now, we have a thin bench. We don’t have the county committee members who can run for county chairman, the county chairmen who can run for state chairman; we don’t have the city council members who can run for state representative and then state senate, the state senators who can run for Congress or for governor, the governors or senators who can run for president.
 
It will take six to eight years to rebuild the conservative movement, and at least that long for conservatives to hold both the White House and the leadership positions in Congress and at other levels. It is not a journey that will be completed overnight, but it is a journey we must begin today.
 
If you are a conservative, don’t just complain. Do something.
 

Yes, conservatives will not have the White House for the next four years. But any one election – even a presidential election – is just one battle in a long, long war. Conservatives must follow the advice of Winston Churchill: Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never.

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To: kevao
Ah, maybe because the voting began in liberal-leaning, open-primary states where independents and democrats could interfere in the GOP primary?

Do you really think the result would have been the same if the first primaries were held in conservative-leaning, closed primary states?

While there is somewhat of a point here, it's mostly a cop out. No one kept Conservatives from voting for a Conservative candidate once the voting moved past two small states.

Just what kept these conservative voters from voting for a conservative candidate in Florida, S Carolina etc?

That's an excuse plain and simple.

51 posted on 02/25/2008 7:00:10 PM PST by billva
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To: ovrtaxt
I haven't been a fan of Viguerie for a while, but I agree with him on this. It's one thing to support the party when you lose out to someone who you don't think is conservative. It's another for them to completely shut you out of the big races, time after time, and then rig the system so you can never win. It's the party structure that has given us Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush and now McCain. Enough is enough.

I would go farther and set up a conservative infrastructure that certified candidates as "conservative" and gave them money, backing and support. Over time, the Conservative caucus would grow and become a group to which people in certain areas would have to belong or else face electoral defeat. This would keep them from being seduced by the siren song of the NY Times.

52 posted on 02/25/2008 7:04:24 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slightly slower road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: billva
Just what kept these conservative voters from voting for a conservative candidate in Florida, S Carolina etc?

And the answer is: NO conservatives on the ticket.

The fact that McCain, Huckabee and Romney were even considered "conservative" demonstrates just how badly the GOP has perverted the word.

53 posted on 02/25/2008 7:08:16 PM PST by kevao
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To: ovrtaxt

The GOP ignored Viguerie in 2006 and they lost. They will ignore him again in 2008—because they just know better.

The GOP got their rear end handed to them in ‘06—we warned them, but Rove and company are just so much smarter than we are. Their plan of selective help to certain states and letting others die on the vine was so sophisticated that it completely backfired.

Listen, the GOP and Dem conventions are not for another SIX months. That’s a lifetime in politics.

We know that whatever happens between now and August, the Dems will run a Marxist. So the GOP needs to run someone other than an old arrogant Dem. lite than McCain. There is still time for the GOP to come to their senses but only if we don’t give in now. We have to let our local and state GOP officials, as well as the national ones, that this time, we are not going to sit down, shut up and vote for a backstabbing RINO. Period.

The powers that be have been rushing headlong to get us to feel powerless, shut up, and get on board the McCain Suicide Express.

This is because if we only stop to realize it, we conservatives are the key to the GOP success in the fall. Well, it is way past time for us to get a real candidate who can win this thing, as well as Congressional candidates who can get this country back on track(one of them is from NC—Congressman Billybob—John Armor).

Huckabee’s not my man, but I give him credit for staying in to give people a non-McCain choice. That is the only leverage we have right now.McCain can still be stopped, and he has to be to prevent a Dem from winning in November, which we all agree would be a disaster.

This will be the last election that conservatives even consider being part of the GOP as it is presently comprised. The next election will see the rise of a third party, or the GOP will be re-formed.

The choice is with us. In spite of the Abusive Husband syncophants around here, I’m not voting for McCain for anything. As it stands right now, he will lose to either Obama or Hillary once we get to the general and the MSM unloads both barrels on him.

In six months he might implode himself. We can only hope. But the GOP has to wake up and smell the coffee, because they will not have the legions of enthusiastic supporters to get out the GOP vote like in 2004.


54 posted on 02/25/2008 7:09:18 PM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: exit82

One fights to win...When one has the enemy in their sights, one fires...
the enemy is inside the gates ... thanks to the liberals and rinos....
Surrender is not an option...when one surrenders, one assumes
the position of death .... I’m through....Give me a Conservative
the way of life, liberty, and my God given right to pursue happiness
or give me another way to Win.....give me Mccain and the back gate
will be open forever and ever.... I am tired of watching our Citizens die
because the liberals and rinos keep opening the back gate.


55 posted on 02/25/2008 7:18:04 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. TLWNWNTTRS)
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To: kevao

Hey, you are not supposed to know that.It shoots his theory all to hell when its exposed.God,I hate rino lovers.


56 posted on 02/25/2008 7:32:05 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Defiant

I would go farther and set up a conservative infrastructure that certified candidates as “conservative” and gave them money, backing and support. Over time, the Conservative caucus would grow and become a group to which people in certain areas would have to belong or else face electoral defeat. This would keep them from being seduced by the siren song of the NY Times.


I agree. We might need a legitimate national conservative party that can endorse Republican candidates for races from state legislature all the way up to president. Someday, such an entity might even endorse the occasional Dem, if the Sam Nunn-type ever makes a comeback. FReepers should have a big role in the formation of such a party. It might require creating a network of entities and then a “virtual” convention of some sort timed with a larger analog event, like CPAC writ larger. If we don’t take some kind of real action ourselves, we’re gonna be stuck with McCain-like candidates ad infinitum. The Republican Party as it is currently composed is barely able to tolerate our presence, and inevitably takes our votes for granted. This has to stop and a good time for it to stop is RIGHT NOW.


57 posted on 02/25/2008 7:33:54 PM PST by CZB
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To: Ben Ficklin

You insist on casting this as left vs right. It isn’t that duality at all.

This is about globalist control freaks vs. free citizens. Small government vs. fascism. Local control vs. centralized control.


58 posted on 02/25/2008 7:34:06 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: Jemian
THERE IT IS. YOU'VE DONE. YOU WON THE PRIZE!!!

Some gold plated brass knuckles maybe?

59 posted on 02/25/2008 7:36:21 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Over the years I've posted several times that I'm a Conservative first and foremost.
I've voted republican most of the time in my life because they've been closer to my beliefs.
More and more the republicans are becoming rinos.
I'm sick of it.
60 posted on 02/25/2008 7:43:53 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: kevao
And the answer is: NO conservatives on the ticket.

Oh, no conservatives on the ticket. Just why was that?

How the @#@!% am I supposed to vote for a conservative if none are on the ticket?

I can see how your movement is going to be very successful!

61 posted on 02/25/2008 7:44:55 PM PST by billva
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To: ovrtaxt

Every time I get an appeal for money from the RNC, I mail the empty pre-paid envelope back to them and make them pay for the postage, and an employee, to open up an empty envelope.

Now, I about a million people did that, they might start getting the message that says something like: “Hey, RNC, kiss my a**”.


62 posted on 02/25/2008 7:53:03 PM PST by no dems (People in the Northeast want to know: What happened to Global Warming?)
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To: billva
the liberals and the rinos are killing us any way they can...our Citizens are dying from this open back door policy of the liberals and rinos walking hand in hand...if I am as good as dead anyway, according to the rinos and the liberals certainly want me dead...I choose to fight...if the Conservatives are going to be beaten....let the liberals and the rinos bring it on....I am here....I choose to fight for my Nation, My right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Justice....I expect the laws of this Nation to be obeyed and when an oath is taken...I expect that person, taking the oath, to uphold that oath....Give me a Conservative, but don’t give me a rino and expect me to follow them into battle....I know the rino will stab me in the back...I choose to face the enemy....I choose to attempt to protect, and defend our Citizens...the liberals and the rinos walking hand in hand are giving the enemy the upper hand....why would I want to walk into the valley of the shadow of death and have a rino looking to stab me in the back...I can get that from a liberal.
63 posted on 02/25/2008 7:57:09 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. TLWNWNTTRS)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Far right? What is that, too much personal freedom, too little government control that they have no authority over? Far left I undersaatand...Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro. I don’t think we have experienced far right since Washington, Franklin, Madison even Jefferson. The neocons are more like the European Socialists. Power hungry without all the hate.


64 posted on 02/25/2008 8:13:31 PM PST by MtnClimber ("Bullfighting, Mountain Climbing and Auto-Racing are the only real sports.)
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To: CZB

OK. How to get started?


65 posted on 02/25/2008 8:13:56 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slightly slower road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: billva

If that is the case then the US is doomed. A strong Conservative movement is the only hope for America. Socialism or Socialism-Lite gets us to the same place only at different speeds.


66 posted on 02/25/2008 8:22:39 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: billva
"...start out with an understanding that it takes many more people than just strict conservatives to win an election

Conservatives don't have the numbers to field and elect our own third party candidates.
We do have the numbers to often make the difference; to deny success to undesireable candidates and to push desireable candidates to a win.

McCain's tactic is to win without conservative support.
He wants to move left to pick up liberal swing voters to make up the difference and break the bond between republicans and conservatives.
If conservatives support him as the least evil candidate and he wins we will have helped him destroy the conservative movement.

"Sometimes we stare so long at a door that is closing, that we see too late the one that is open."

-- Alexander Graham Bell

67 posted on 02/25/2008 8:22:43 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Defiant
looks like the Conservatives have already begun...Rush announced today he is not a Republican....(smiling)...the fight is on....other talk show hosts look like they are coming on-board. I am a nothing, a nobody, but there is something afoot...and Conservatives have sensed the smell coming out of D.C....it is known the enemy is inside the gates...and D.C. is helping the enemy gain a greater foothold day by day....There is something afoot...but I will not back off one inch....Unless Mr. Robinson says I should....I have not spoken with Mr. Robinson (Sir to me)...but I will bow to his wishes. He is the General, I am a private.
68 posted on 02/25/2008 8:29:25 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. TLWNWNTTRS)
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To: Iron Munro
Conservatives don't have the numbers to field and elect our own third party candidates. We do have the numbers to often make the difference; to deny success to undesireable candidates and to push desireable candidates to a win.

McCain's tactic is to win without conservative support. He wants to move left to pick up liberal swing voters to make up the difference and break the bond between republicans and conservatives.

If conservatives support him as the least evil candidate and he wins we will have helped him destroy the conservative movement.

First I'll ask you just who was your desirable candidate?

Second I would take issue with your statement that McCain's tactic is to win without Conservatives. I would say that most conservatives are going to vote for him whether you believe that or not. Then I would say that it is more your tactic to deny him the vote than it is his to win without it.

Third I would say that if the conservative movement gets destroyed it won't be because McCain wins, it will be self inflicted wounds like you recommend.

69 posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:45 PM PST by billva
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To: All
...The Extinction of the Rinos....:)... I would like to put on notice all these bartards RepUblican Lefties... once and for all. But of course it all depends a great deal if they see that we mean it.... If we'are just going to BARK and BARK and BARK...But run away like a xoward dog when someone turns around... none one will pay us attention. But yes, by all means let's do something!

MY,MY... I LIKE THIS KIND OF TALK!... *** LET'S ROLL! ***


70 posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:46 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck :))
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To: ovrtaxt; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; ...

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that in the FR Poll to the right has McCain at 61.6%? A few days ago it was at 57.3%. The more I hear from Obama, the better and better John looks! I was considering voting for Obama in the Texas Primary to stick the knife in the Billary’s heart, but I voted for McClain early here in Texas and I will support him in the fall.


71 posted on 02/25/2008 8:39:11 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: no-to-illegals
the liberals and the rinos are killing us any way they can...our Citizens are dying from this open back door policy of the liberals and rinos walking hand in hand...if I am as good as dead anyway, according to the rinos and the liberals certainly want me dead...I choose to fight...if the Conservatives are going to be beaten....let the liberals and the rinos bring it on....I am here....I choose to fight for my Nation, My right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Justice....I expect the laws of this Nation to be obeyed and when an oath is taken...I expect that person, taking the oath, to uphold that oath....Give me a Conservative, but don’t give me a rino and expect me to follow them into battle....I know the rino will stab me in the back...I choose to face the enemy....I choose to attempt to protect, and defend our Citizens...the liberals and the rinos walking hand in hand are giving the enemy the upper hand....why would I want to walk into the valley of the shadow of death and have a rino looking to stab me in the back...I can get that from a liberal.

Just how are you going to fight? If it's just with words here on the internet then you are toothless.

If you make your party so narrow that there is only room for you opinion then you are lost anyway.

I see your solution as tilting at windmills.

72 posted on 02/25/2008 8:42:39 PM PST by billva
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To: ovrtaxt
We must stop supporting the Republican Establishment, and, instead, support the principled conservatives who need and deserve our help.

What was your position on Mr. Tancredo and Mr. Hunter, Mr. Vigurie?

73 posted on 02/25/2008 8:45:21 PM PST by sauropod (Will Hillary bring the silver back to the Whitehouse, or is this all about finishing up the set?)
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To: billva
given time FRiend, you shall see the light....it may strike you down, by supporting liberals and rinos though....and it may be too late when you finally see your mistake....but hey go your way, I will stay with the Conservatives....after all...what do you really want....more of our Citizens dead? now yell NO and go on your way...I too am going on my way, and it will not be with a rino. Bye!
74 posted on 02/25/2008 8:49:53 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. TLWNWNTTRS)
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To: billva

Time will tell.

I think McCain will be lucky to cary his own home state.


75 posted on 02/25/2008 9:03:35 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: no-to-illegals
given time FRiend, you shall see the light....it may strike you down, by supporting liberals and rinos though....and it may be too late when you finally see your mistake....but hey go your way, I will stay with the Conservatives....after all...what do you really want....more of our Citizens dead? now yell NO and go on your way...I too am going on my way, and it will not be with a rino. Bye!

My mistake? I'm going to vote in this election, for McCain. I'm in the game, your aren't.

There's an old saying for fishermen, if your bait isn't in the water you can't catch a fish. In that analogy you aren't even near the water, so your opinion is largely irrelevant.

You can win if you aren't in the game might be another way to see it.

76 posted on 02/25/2008 9:23:37 PM PST by billva
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To: billva

The media gave us mcain.

I’m in the game by withholding my vote. Things will get very bad then they start improving.


77 posted on 02/25/2008 9:33:54 PM PST by kennyboy509 (Ha! I kill me!)
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To: kennyboy509
The media gave us mcain.

I’m in the game by withholding my vote. Things will get very bad then they start improving.

The last time I heard the media doesn't cast votes we do. Republicans voted for McCain.

Don't give me you are in the game by not voting. You are on the sidelines if you don't vote and your opinion then means nothing.

78 posted on 02/25/2008 9:37:34 PM PST by billva
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To: no-to-illegals

We are members of the FREE Republican Party, the Freeper Party for short. The GOP is O but not G and losing its P.


79 posted on 02/25/2008 9:49:49 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slightly slower road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: Just mythoughts

Same here, good enough place to bump this thread.


80 posted on 02/25/2008 10:03:32 PM PST by Kevmo (SURFRINAGWIASS : Shut Up RINOs. Free Republic is not a GOP Website. Itís a SOCON Site.)
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To: ovrtaxt

“Nice to see it written down so eloquently.”

Bump....


81 posted on 02/25/2008 10:16:50 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: billva
Don't give me you are in the game by not voting. You are on the sidelines if you don't vote and your opinion then means nothing.

LOL! Just imagine what millions and millions of "nothing opinions" will do come November. Expect a crater of epic proportions.

82 posted on 02/25/2008 10:26:28 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Bender2

>>I voted for McClain early here in Texas and I will support him in the fall.<<

I voted for Hunter (his name is still on the ballot in Texas).


83 posted on 02/25/2008 10:48:30 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ovrtaxt; MtnClimber
"You insist on casting this as left vs right"
"This is about globalist control freaks"

I agree that there is more than one political dynamic in play.

The first is left vs right. Today, you can characterize this dynamic as 3 groups. The first two groups are those that have drifted to the left and right and are not interested in compromising. The third group is those that have drifted to the center, the third wayers on the left and the compassionate conservatives on the right. They are seeking a compromise on many issues that boil down to the basic, underlying compromise between "equality of opportunity" versus "equality of outcome".

The second dynamic is populists vs elitists. This is the most enduring political division thru-out civilization. It is complicated by events in the 2nd half of the 20th century America, in which both the populists and the elitists split into two groups. The cultural elitists(cultural marxists) split off from the economic elitists and took over the democratic party. This caused the cultural populists to split from the democratic party and Nixon brought them into the GOP. The GOP rode this coalition between the economic elitists and cultural populists to power. Unfortunately, for the GOP, this coalition is dissolving.

Populism always rises during times of change. When the US shifted from an ag economy to and industrial economy there was a rise in populism. Today the economy is shifting from industrial to information/service and populism has risen. The earlier prairie & southern populists were opposed to US Expansionism, today they are opposed to US Globalism.

The dems were able to harness the earlier populist movement and that gave us Roosevelt and the New Deal. Today, many dems think that they can harness today's populist movement into a new New Deal. They think that they can re-unite the cultural and economic populists as "moral populists".

The third political dynamic is paleos versus neos. The paleos want to return to America's "Golden Age" which began at the end of WW 2 and lasted until the late 70s when America began losing her competative edge. They prefer the Cold War to the WOT.

If you look at the campaign between Hillary and Obama, there is not much difference between them on the left vs right spectrum. But Obama is winning on the populist vs elitist spectrum. Hillary is an elitist because she takes corporate and PAC money while Obama doesn't. To counter this, last week, Hillary released her "Populist Manifesto".

84 posted on 02/26/2008 3:35:42 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: roamer_1
LOL! Just imagine what millions and millions of "nothing opinions" will do come November. Expect a crater of epic proportions.

If you think come November that millions and millions of you disgruntled conservatives are going to stay home I believe you are going to be very disappointed. I believe you will stay home and many others will, but millions?

No way.

85 posted on 02/26/2008 6:13:06 AM PST by billva
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To: Defiant

OK. How to get started?


We’d need the help of people like Laura Ingram, Rush, Mark Levin, Savage. Send them emails. To CPAC too. Identify all the non-Republican establishment conservative groups like Heritage, etc. Viguerie. Identify mentors in the three pillars of conservatism and see if we can engage them. Something like:

National security: John Bolton
Economy: Newt Gingrich
Values: Dr. James Dobson

Obviously, we need more names in each area.

Reach out to potential candidates. Romney, Santorum, and not just doctrinaire conservatives but people with a background in fighting the left. We need people who will fight every issue and in every district. The Republicans depend on people like Limbaugh to go to the schoolyard and do the actual fighting. Why isn’t Limbaugh or someone like him the candidate? I’m amazed at all this crapola about poor John McCain having to ward off the NY Times for a few days. What do people think Giuliani’s mayoral administration in NYC was for 8 years. It was an everyday WAR with the NY Times. We need people who FIGHT, not wait around for Rush to fight for them.

You know, someday we’re gonna be fighting as partisans in the foothills and living off canned food if we don’t start fighting NOW at the political level.

I gotta think on all this more. Obviously, you’re asking an amazingly important and amazingly large question. It makes me feel too small for my own ideas.


86 posted on 02/26/2008 6:22:57 AM PST by CZB
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To: Defiant
I would go farther and set up a conservative infrastructure that certified candidates as "conservative" and gave them money, backing and support.

That sounds good. But we, on the right, have become fractious. I think that, in this climate, the bar may be set too high. Reagan, with his arms for hostages and amnesty plan, would be excoriated on FR in 2008. Undoubtedly, this is because of the massive frustration that we all feel.

It is worth a try, however. I would certainly support such an idea.

87 posted on 02/26/2008 7:02:33 AM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: Ben Ficklin

>>Populism always rises during times of change. When the US shifted from an ag economy to and industrial economy there was a rise in populism. Today the economy is shifting from industrial to information/service and populism has risen.<<

There is some unjustified resentment of information technology. But people who are concerned about losing key industries to China are not necessarily Luddites opposed to all progress. For example, Huawei Technologies (with close ties to the Chinese military) wanted to buy a big chunk of 3Com (which provides security equipment/services to the Pentagon) but did not get US government approval of the deal, and rightly so.

But your post does provide some good insight into the complexities of ideological and political factions today.

I think what really made Hillary so angry at Obama was that he pointed out in Ohio that Bill Clinton was a strong supporter of NAFTA. Clearly, NAFTA took some jobs and created others, but at least among Dem voters in Ohio, it looks like an albatross for Hillary.

If Obama is the Dem nominee, NAFTA and other global trade issues will come back when Obama fights McCain for Ohio. Obama (Hillary would do the same, despite her husband’s history) will remind Ohio and Michigan that McCain said “Some of those jobs aren’t coming back.” The fact that Romney beat McCain in Michigan could be because he was the favorite son, not necessarily because of jobs. Cause and effect are sometimes difficult to pin down, and independents might not vote the same as voters from either party.


88 posted on 02/26/2008 7:41:38 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: no dems

I did that for a while, except I would write CLOSE THE BORDERS in Sharpie all over the donation request. They stopped mailing me after a while.


89 posted on 02/26/2008 7:51:35 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: no-to-illegals; Jim Robinson

I can tell you this- Jim has posted several articles by Viguerie, so I think he wouldn’t be opposed.


90 posted on 02/26/2008 7:55:20 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

You’re forgetting the globalist vs nationalist dynamic. Hill, Obama and McCain are all united on this.

This is a huge problem. Yes, there are differences on certain issues, but in the big picture long term path, they’re all headed to the same place.


91 posted on 02/26/2008 8:05:08 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: billva

They did in 06. Things havent gotten any better, quite the contrary.


92 posted on 02/26/2008 8:16:17 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: ovrtaxt

>>You’re forgetting the globalist vs nationalist dynamic. Hill, Obama and McCain are all united on this.<<

McCain has said he would be “tough on China.” I have tried to understand what he means by that. My guess is that he would be tough on human rights and global warming, and would try to defend Taiwan. But would he continue the same Bush trade policies that allow China to amass profits to develop technologies and build hardware to sink our ships?


93 posted on 02/26/2008 9:42:07 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ovrtaxt
Everybody is a globalist, including you.

Its a fact. A world market economy produces more winners and fewer losers than any other system. No one wants to live under the deprivations brought on by the system you advocate.

Additionally, the inter dependability of a world market makes for much more co-operation between the nations.

94 posted on 02/26/2008 1:12:55 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Don't let all that democratic rhetoric over NAFTA confuse you. They are using it for numerous reasons.

The most important of those reasons is the widely accepted(among democrats) conspiracy theory that Reagan, Bushes, the VRWC, and the Federalist Society are using NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA to undo all the regulatory law that the dems put in place(Roll back the New Deal)

The Right and US Trade Law: Invalidating the 20th Century">

95 posted on 02/26/2008 1:13:11 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

I agree that Dems attack trade agreements in dishonest ways, although I believe that the Bush/Clinton trade deals leave a lot of room for improvement. Voters who believe that NAFTA etc. has taken their jobs may vote against McCain for that reason. In fact many non-WSJ-type Republicans (strong on defense, for low taxes, pro-life etc.) believe that trade agreements have given away too much to China, for example.


96 posted on 02/26/2008 3:23:13 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: Ben Ficklin

So sovereignty is no big deal, just an archaic inconvenience. Grat.


97 posted on 02/26/2008 3:26:36 PM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: Bender2

Yup


98 posted on 02/26/2008 4:33:43 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (REAGAN: "..party..must represent certain fundamental beliefs [not] compromised..[for] expediency")
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To: Ben Ficklin
>>Everybody is a globalist, including you.<<

Yes I know this post was for ovrtxt. Depends on what "globalist" means. If it means that I realize that a global economy is reality, then you could call me a "globalist,"

BUT If it means that as long as some people make money, US sovereignty and hiring US citizens be damned, then, no. Hell no!

99 posted on 02/26/2008 5:23:51 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ovrtaxt; Ben Ficklin

Definitions of globalism:

1) A national geopolitical policy in which the entire world is regarded as the appropriate sphere for a state’s influence.

2) The idea that events in one country cannot be separated from those in another and that a government should therefore consider the effects of its actions in other countries as well as its own

3) An ideology based on the belief that people, goods and information ought to be able to cross national borders unfettered.

4) The attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations.

5) The tendency of investment funds and businesses to move beyond domestic and national markets to other markets around the globe, thereby increasing the interconnectedness of different markets.

Definition 5) is what I think of as “globalism.” It could have good or bad results (or both) depending on policies and people.


100 posted on 02/26/2008 6:44:58 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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