Skip to comments.Former SAS man condemns British role in torture tactics
Posted on 02/25/2008 5:47:18 PM PST by MadJack
Hundreds of Iraqis and Afghans captured by British and American special forces were rendered to prisons where they faced torture, a former SAS soldier said yesterday. Ben Griffin said individuals detained by SAS troops in a joint UK-US special forces taskforce had ended up in interrogation centres in Iraq, including the notorious Abu Ghraib prison, and in Afghanistan, as well as Guantánamo Bay. (BREAK) He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment. But he added: "I have no doubt in my mind that non-combatants I personally detained were handed over to the Americans and subsequently tortured."
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This guy’s a regular clown. Guarantee, he wouldn’t say that if he really did believe Americans were ready to snatch the bad guys up and torture them. After all, he’d be first on the list.
Well, hey... as long as there is “no doubt” in his mind, that’s ok with me. I mean, even if he lacks a shred of evidence, it’t the seriousness of the charge that is most important. /major s
Wonder what the circumstances of his leaving the SAS were.
D’ya think Ben Griffin needs some attention?
I wish we did torture.
So it was all your fault.
>>This guys a regular clown. Guarantee, he wouldnt say that if he really did believe Americans were ready to snatch the bad guys up and torture them. After all, hed be first on the list.<<
Agreed, Plus this is from the GUARDIAN, the anti American rag in the UK which called us stupid after voting for W in 04, and everyone of their articles lean extremely to the left.
This must be the Brit version of one of Obama’s “soldier” pals .
“He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment.”
This is nothing. I would have the same amount of credibility if I said I was confident this guy makes love to sheep even though I have never witnessed it.
Remember this is “seared into his memory.” Oh, that was Kerry in Cambodia.
Sounds like this Limey has been brainwashed by the ilk of Pelosi!
Would it be torture to just shoot ‘em as they are caught?
Is this one of the British troops who were captured by Iranian gunboats?
And I heard in an unclassified briefing from an FBI agent that we do not torture as we seek evidence that will actually hold up in court. Quite frankly, I’m going to trust the FBI.
“this guy makes love to sheep”
I read it on the interweb. It must be true.
This should give a little chuckle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHTjbdZqi84
We have the right to do that under the Geneva Convention. Maybe we try that for a while and see how the islamofascists like their options.
CIDKauf: We have the right to do that under the Geneva Convention.
Don't the Geneva Conventions require a competent military tribunal to first determine if the subject qualifies as an "unlawful combatant"?
and i have never seen this wanker commit sodomy... but i have no doubt in my mind that he has!!!
Not in the field. Spies (enemy fighters disguised in civilian clothing) can be shot on sight.
He said, he heard, he had no doubt, he thought...
Isn’t the commie traitor Saddam-hugger Fisk a Guardian stringer?
Buggering little boys.
Weren’t those folks all Royal Navy?
If he’s not, he ought to be.
I haven’t read anything by that pinhead for some time, and am in need of a laugh. Thanks for propmting me.
Let’s be thankful that he is FORMER SAS, as he has proven himself unworthy.
I think three of them were marines. They were the only ones who conducted themselves properly.
Stick with what you know, they always say.
Does SAS have more than one meaning? I thought it might mean something like “Same Alde Shiite”
Nope. Not in the field.
He is- or has been until very recently- a staffer on the Independent, and has been for years, though he started on the old Newcastle Evening Chronicle if I recall correctly. His early coverage of *the troubles* in Northern Ireland in the early 1970s endeared him to Britains leftie set, and he's been riding those waves ever since.
Though the Guardian has at least reprinted several of his articles, and flogs Fisk's book via their affiliated on-line bookstore there've also appeared there a few articles by otherwise unknown writers that sounded and smelled suspiciously of the *Fisk Touch, and may have in fact been authored by him. *Anything for a Comrade* in the struggle against the Zionist/Imperialist/Capitalist forces, dontchaknow!
Mentoring new generations of commie symps, no doubt.
Sort of, though under some circumstances it can also be specifically prohibited. But for a start, see FM-27-10, The Law of Land Warfare:
70. Enumeration Not Exhaustive
The enumeration of persons entitled to be treated as prisoners of war is not exhaustive and does not preclude affording prisoner-of-war status to persons who would otherwise be subject to less favorable treatment.
71. Interim Protection
a. Treaty Provision.
The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation.
Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal. (GPW, art. 5.)
b. Interpretation. The foregoing provision applies to any person not appearing to be entitled to prisoner-of-war status who has committed a belligerent act or has engaged in hostile activities in aid of the armed forces and who asserts that he is entitled to treatment as a prisoner of war or concerning whom any other doubt of a like nature exists.
c. Competent Tribunal. A "competent tribunal" of the United States for the purpose of determining whether a person of the nature described in a above is or is not entitled to prisoner-of-war status is a board of not less than three officers acting according to such procedure as may be prescribed for tribunals of this nature.
d. Further Proceedings. Persons who have been determined by a competent tribunal not to be entitled to prisoner-of-war status may not be executed, imprisoned, or otherwise penalized without further judicial proceedings to determine what acts they have committed and what penalty should be imposed therefore.