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Former SAS man condemns British role in torture tactics
The Guardian ^ | 26 February 2008 | Richard Norton-Taylor

Posted on 02/25/2008 5:47:18 PM PST by MadJack

Hundreds of Iraqis and Afghans captured by British and American special forces were rendered to prisons where they faced torture, a former SAS soldier said yesterday. Ben Griffin said individuals detained by SAS troops in a joint UK-US special forces taskforce had ended up in interrogation centres in Iraq, including the notorious Abu Ghraib prison, and in Afghanistan, as well as Guantánamo Bay. (BREAK) He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment. But he added: "I have no doubt in my mind that non-combatants I personally detained were handed over to the Americans and subsequently tortured."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; iraq; rendition; sas; torture; uktroops
Supposition and heresay. Watch for his book when you're passing through Gatwick in the next few months (sarcasm, but it wouldn't surprise me)
1 posted on 02/25/2008 5:47:19 PM PST by MadJack
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To: MadJack

This guy’s a regular clown. Guarantee, he wouldn’t say that if he really did believe Americans were ready to snatch the bad guys up and torture them. After all, he’d be first on the list.


2 posted on 02/25/2008 5:49:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

3 posted on 02/25/2008 5:51:08 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: MadJack

Well, hey... as long as there is “no doubt” in his mind, that’s ok with me. I mean, even if he lacks a shred of evidence, it’t the seriousness of the charge that is most important. /major s

Wonder what the circumstances of his leaving the SAS were.


4 posted on 02/25/2008 5:51:20 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: MadJack

D’ya think Ben Griffin needs some attention?


5 posted on 02/25/2008 5:52:11 PM PST by Ken522
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To: MadJack

I wish we did torture.


6 posted on 02/25/2008 5:52:23 PM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: MadJack
"I have no doubt in my mind that non-combatants I personally detained were handed over to the Americans and subsequently tortured."

So it was all your fault.

7 posted on 02/25/2008 5:52:24 PM PST by 386wt (Be free and don't die!)
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To: muawiyah

>>This guy’s a regular clown. Guarantee, he wouldn’t say that if he really did believe Americans were ready to snatch the bad guys up and torture them. After all, he’d be first on the list.<<

Agreed, Plus this is from the GUARDIAN, the anti American rag in the UK which called us stupid after voting for W in 04, and everyone of their articles lean extremely to the left.

This must be the Brit version of one of Obama’s “soldier” pals .


8 posted on 02/25/2008 5:52:34 PM PST by max americana
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To: MadJack

“He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment.”

This is nothing. I would have the same amount of credibility if I said I was confident this guy makes love to sheep even though I have never witnessed it.


9 posted on 02/25/2008 5:52:46 PM PST by squidward
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To: squidward

Remember this is “seared into his memory.” Oh, that was Kerry in Cambodia.

Sorry!!


10 posted on 02/25/2008 5:56:46 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: MadJack

Sounds like this Limey has been brainwashed by the ilk of Pelosi!


11 posted on 02/25/2008 5:56:55 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: MadJack

Would it be torture to just shoot ‘em as they are caught?


12 posted on 02/25/2008 5:58:49 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: MadJack

Is this one of the British troops who were captured by Iranian gunboats?


13 posted on 02/25/2008 5:59:47 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MadJack

And I heard in an unclassified briefing from an FBI agent that we do not torture as we seek evidence that will actually hold up in court. Quite frankly, I’m going to trust the FBI.


14 posted on 02/25/2008 6:00:51 PM PST by glennshepard (Semper Fi)
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To: squidward

“this guy makes love to sheep”

I read it on the interweb. It must be true.


15 posted on 02/25/2008 6:01:53 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: MadJack; SandRat

This should give a little chuckle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHTjbdZqi84


16 posted on 02/25/2008 6:03:00 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: CIDKauf

We have the right to do that under the Geneva Convention. Maybe we try that for a while and see how the islamofascists like their options.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 6:03:13 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: MadJack
Does this guy know Marc Falkoff?

Falkoff's the Northern Illinois Professor and expert on terrorism who spread tales about Koran abuse and detainee abuse at Gitmo.

18 posted on 02/25/2008 6:05:59 PM PST by syriacus (When NIU prof M Falkoff speaks, mayhem follows.. like the riots after his Koran-abuse tales)
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To: CIDKauf; RKV
RKV: Would it be torture to just shoot ‘em as they are caught?

CIDKauf: We have the right to do that under the Geneva Convention.

Don't the Geneva Conventions require a competent military tribunal to first determine if the subject qualifies as an "unlawful combatant"?

19 posted on 02/25/2008 6:12:55 PM PST by secretagent (When cooking frogs - don't bring to a boil too rapidly.)
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To: MadJack
Image hosted by Photobucket.com He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment. But he added: "I have no doubt in my mind that non-combatants I personally detained were handed over to the Americans and subsequently tortured."

and i have never seen this wanker commit sodomy... but i have no doubt in my mind that he has!!!

20 posted on 02/25/2008 6:23:38 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: MadJack
He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment.

Next!

21 posted on 02/25/2008 6:35:12 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: secretagent

Not in the field. Spies (enemy fighters disguised in civilian clothing) can be shot on sight.


22 posted on 02/25/2008 6:37:24 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: MadJack

He said, he heard, he had no doubt, he thought...

Total BS.


23 posted on 02/25/2008 6:38:10 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: MadJack

Isn’t the commie traitor Saddam-hugger Fisk a Guardian stringer?


24 posted on 02/25/2008 6:42:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: snowrip
"Wonder what the circumstances of his leaving the SAS were."

Buggering little boys.

25 posted on 02/25/2008 6:45:32 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Cicero

Weren’t those folks all Royal Navy?


26 posted on 02/25/2008 7:07:40 PM PST by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: Travis McGee

If he’s not, he ought to be.
I haven’t read anything by that pinhead for some time, and am in need of a laugh. Thanks for propmting me.


27 posted on 02/25/2008 7:09:49 PM PST by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: MadJack

Let’s be thankful that he is FORMER SAS, as he has proven himself unworthy.


28 posted on 02/25/2008 7:28:20 PM PST by LeonardFMason (LanceyHoward for President!)
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To: MadJack

I think three of them were marines. They were the only ones who conducted themselves properly.


29 posted on 02/25/2008 8:14:11 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MadJack
"He said he had not himself witnessed torture or mistreatment"

Stick with what you know, they always say.

30 posted on 02/25/2008 8:18:48 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (New York Times Endorsed!!!)
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To: MadJack

Does SAS have more than one meaning? I thought it might mean something like “Same Alde Shiite”


31 posted on 02/25/2008 8:25:42 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: secretagent

Nope. Not in the field.


32 posted on 02/26/2008 5:08:51 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Travis McGee
Isn’t the commie traitor Saddam-hugger Fisk a Guardian stringer?

He is- or has been until very recently- a staffer on the Independent, and has been for years, though he started on the old Newcastle Evening Chronicle if I recall correctly. His early coverage of *the troubles* in Northern Ireland in the early 1970s endeared him to Britains leftie set, and he's been riding those waves ever since.

Though the Guardian has at least reprinted several of his articles, and flogs Fisk's book via their affiliated on-line bookstore there've also appeared there a few articles by otherwise unknown writers that sounded and smelled suspiciously of the *Fisk Touch, and may have in fact been authored by him. *Anything for a Comrade* in the struggle against the Zionist/Imperialist/Capitalist forces, dontchaknow!

33 posted on 02/26/2008 6:42:36 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy

Mentoring new generations of commie symps, no doubt.


34 posted on 02/26/2008 7:06:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: secretagent
Don't the Geneva Conventions require a competent military tribunal to first determine if the subject qualifies as an "unlawful combatant"?

Sort of, though under some circumstances it can also be specifically prohibited. But for a start, see FM-27-10, The Law of Land Warfare:

70. Enumeration Not Exhaustive

The enumeration of persons entitled to be treated as prisoners of war is not exhaustive and does not preclude affording prisoner-of-war status to persons who would otherwise be subject to less favorable treatment.

71. Interim Protection

a. Treaty Provision.

The present Convention shall apply to the persons referred to in Article 4 from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation.

Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal. (GPW, art. 5.)

b. Interpretation. The foregoing provision applies to any person not appearing to be entitled to prisoner-of-war status who has committed a belligerent act or has engaged in hostile activities in aid of the armed forces and who asserts that he is entitled to treatment as a prisoner of war or concerning whom any other doubt of a like nature exists.

c. Competent Tribunal. A "competent tribunal" of the United States for the purpose of determining whether a person of the nature described in a above is or is not entitled to prisoner-of-war status is a board of not less than three officers acting according to such procedure as may be prescribed for tribunals of this nature.

d. Further Proceedings. Persons who have been determined by a competent tribunal not to be entitled to prisoner-of-war status may not be executed, imprisoned, or otherwise penalized without further judicial proceedings to determine what acts they have committed and what penalty should be imposed therefore.

35 posted on 02/26/2008 7:08:16 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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