Skip to comments.Is it time for conservatives to support McCain?
Posted on 02/25/2008 9:55:55 PM PST by FocusNexus
Unless one of Huckabee's miracles happens, McCain will be the Republican nominee for president. As other presidential candidates have dropped out, some conservatives, such as Senator and former presidential candidate Sam Brownback from Kansas and Jonah Goldberg from National Review have decided to support him. But many conservative Republicans including Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and James Dobson have continued to hold out on supporting him, and may continue to do so right up until the general election.
For those conservatives who have refrained from supporting McCain because he has too many negatives, they must decide whether those negatives outweigh the negatives of having a Democrat in office.
Even so, the most important issue facing the U.S. today is terrorism. McCain has promised to be tough on terrorism and keep our troops in Iraq until we're assured of stability. The thought of Barack Obama handling our approach to terrorism should send chills down anyone's spine. Hillary Clinton wouldn't be much better, because her motive on the war on terror is to score a legacy for herself.
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No. It’s time for McCain to convince us to vote for him.
“they must decide whether those negatives outweigh the negatives of having a Democrat in office.”
I’m decided already.
No way I will be voting for McCain.
In 52 seconds, you will be convinced.........
No thanks. I’ll pass.
Interestingly enough, 63% of FReepers are facing reality that McCain with all his faults is infinitely better than Obama and plan to vote for him. Very encouraging.
Of course Obama and Pelosi are deeply saddened.
Not yet! Not till I get all the stuff off me from his repeated golden shower on conservatives! That stuff requires some scrubbing by his sorry A$$!!!
Here we go, another is he or isn’t he thread.
Obama: Number 1 liberal Senator, Socialist, cult leader, husband of someone who has just now become proud of the United States of America, wants medical care for everyone except babies who survived an attempt to abort them
Clinton: Number 6 liberal Senator, Socialist, loves Nanny state, wife of a perjured pervert (which pervert would love to take up in his former residence, the White House)
McCain: Pro-life, will be tough with the budget, probably okay for Supreme Court nominations, good with military, has a wife who loves this country. Yes, I have problems with him, but far, far less than with the first two.
In short, yes - the time is now to support McCain. With money and with time.
Thank you...........good response!!
“Here we go, another is he or isnt he thread.”
Agreed. We don’t need to discuss this anymore. We already know the answer.
The fact that you can't find a video of John McClinton promoting Conservative ideas and ideals only serves to bolster my point.
Nope. ‘True’ conservatives want Obama to be President. /sarc
Yeah, I find it rather interesting that number keeps creeping up after everyone voted. I think what we’re seeing is some folks voting from work or something. It’s gone up more than 4% for McCain after the initial few days.
It was initially 58% for McCain and 42% against. I don’t think it’s changed without some tinkering of some kind.
Your first response was just perfect. And the way things are normally done.
Even if 63% is correct, if the freakin’ Republican nominee (likely) only gets 63% of FReepers, he’s got a problem.
“We already know the answer.”
So true. I can’t understand all the people who won’t vote for him.
Well, I don’t see where he’ll get his backing, but there are a lot of folks I respect, who still think he’s a shoe in. If he is, then God help the Republic, for no one else will for four years.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
We want THIS guy ins the White House...
This seems to be the year that everyone is going to pander to all the moderates or people in the middle. They don’t consider themselves liberal or conservative. They probably are busy with their lives right now and not really paying attention, but they will come summer. Depending on what happens between now and November will have a huge effect on what happens in November.
The Left is probably going to get the candidate that they wanted and the Right is not. I live in California and I think that if Obama wins and the Democrats increase their numbers in Congress to where there have the 60 votes then you are going to have the equivalent of the California Legislature one of the most marxist legislatures. The only thing in California that keeps them in check is the initiative process and some of their measures have been through initiative defeated such as term-limits. Gay marriage was passed in the legislature here and so far hasn’t become law because the people passed an initiative recognizing marriage between a man and a woman. One lawmaker wanted to outlaw spanking of children by making it criminal. Just imagine the US congress being like this and there is no initiative or nothing to keep them in check other than voting them out in 2,4, or 6 years. For those of you who think that the Democrats take over the presidency and congress and will fail miserably the first two or four years and the GOP will return to power, I think that they will implement the changes slowly and they’ll take credit for any upturn in the economy even if its in part to the things that republicans did before.
On a personal level, one good thing that may happen and I am hoping will happen to more people is this: My dad is a Democrat and has voted democrat for a long time. I do not consider him a liberal democrat but a moderate. He feels that Obama scares him enough to vote for McCain.
McCain is not perfect, but who is the conservative out there who could win on a third party ticket?
“Even so, the most important issue facing the U.S. today is terrorism. McCain has promised to be tough on terrorism and keep our troops in Iraq until we’re assured of stability. The thought of Barack Obama handling our approach to terrorism should send chills down anyone’s spine. Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be much better, because her motive on the war on terror is to score a legacy for herself.”
It continues to amaze me how any half serious person could claim McCain is tough on terrorism because he’ll keep troops in Iraq, while leaving our borders wide open and granting amnesty to 20 million illegals. (No, I don’t believe a word he says about securing the border FIRST. He’s in the Senate now, and will be for 9 more months before the vote. What’s he doing about securing the border NOW?)
Someone tell all these clowns that the WTC was not in Baghdad!
I never cease to be amazed that the very man who has made a career of being a maverick (disloyal, undependable, self-serving) now expects the everyone on the right to rally to him.
Sorry, just 'cause you need me now, isn't a reason to vote for you.
If I have to vote for a maverick, I'll write in James Garner.
“Nope. âTrueâ conservatives want Obama to be President. /sarc”
Apparently — unfortunately a lot of them are doing it for real and feel very virtuous in doing so.
I'm as sick of Republicans playing the fear card as I am of DemocRATS playing the fear card.
I refuse to support in ANY way those who are working against principals I hold dear and that were held dear by the founders of a country the likes of which the world had never dared to dream of before they did!!!
I want my country back and until I spot a person, or organization they will bring that closer to reality, I'm simply uninspired, unimpressed and certainly not interested in elevating him/her/them to the position George Washington held!!!
So you just keep up your clever little "needling" of serious conservatives who sincerely love America's traditions and traditonal cultural freedoms and values. I'm sure you'll be so pleased and inspired as many of us were here in CA after all the Schwartzenswindler rhetoric at the 2004 Republican CONvention, only to see him steering our ship of state into a generation of bondage and foolishness!!! Now he endorses your pathetic hero... enjoy, but include me OUT!!!
The question we have to ask ourselves is who furthers our cause in the long run. I think the remaining Republicans in congress can more likely stop an Obama agenda over McCain’s. Many of McCain’s positions already have support on the Dem side so being a Republican, Republicans in congress will much more likely go along. And when things go wrong, and they are going to go wrong, Iran, Russia, etc. what label should it wear, Democrat or Republican?
As opposed to a Socialist McCain. You think McCain is going to stand up against all those fellow horse-traders he's spent so much time with over the last 5 decades or however the hell long he has been in the Senate?
There's a reason why people like McCain fight like hell to keep from going out there and making a living in the world he helped create.
This is worth repeating. Often--until McCain gives some straight talk to conservatives.
What makes you think that Obama will be able to wave a magic wand and make all the Democrats in Congress go along with his wishes? It didn't work for the Clintons in 1993-1994, and I don't think it will work for Obama in 2009-2010.
If McCain wins, congresspeople will receive a clear message that they can ignore conservatives with impunity. By contrast, if McCain loses and a conservative third-party candidate finishes decently (say, a 45-40-15 election result) congresspeople are more likely to decide that ignoring conservatives would be unacceptably dangerous to their careers. Which message do you want Congress to receive?
Coupled with that these same conservatives must also decide that it's OK to reward RINOs for years of constantly kissing Teddy Kennedy's ass and the asses of any and all other democRATs who happen to be nearby.
I think I see a pattern.
It's not time yet. I haven't decided yet whether the long term interests of conservatism, which would be well served by seeing McCain go down in flames, outweigh the short term pain of having a leftist in the White House. I think those are the factors we need to weigh. Even then, people will come up with different calculations, because the future cannot be known with any certainty, so we have to guess as to what might happen.
What I won't do is vote for McCain just because he's better than the Dem. We know that; but a. can he win? (If not, who cares how I vote); and b. If he did win, is he better for conservatism, or does he make permanent the socialist agenda?.
I tend to believe that he has no chance to win, so this is one of those times when we can send a message without penalty. The lesson may be learned when McCain's loss of Dole-like proportions becomes a McGovern-like landslide.
I also am currently leaning to the belief that McCain's supposed benefits on defense and foreign policy are not as great as advertised. I think he will be so eager to please that he is likely to pull out of Iraq quickly (after all, he has "credibility" and it will please the NY Times and make them like him again), and I don't think he will be any tougher in the WOT than Bush has been, which is not enough.
On domestic issues, I don't trust him one bit Taxes, he is a wild card. Maybe he'll honor his campaign promises, maybe he'll revert to form. On immigration, we know he will not protect the border, and he will sign anything the Dems send him. That will end American politics as we know it, and guarantee that conservatives remain a minority forever. With a Dem in charge, the Republicans might retain enough gumption to fight an amnesty bill--maybe.
The one category that I think plays strongly in McCain's favor is judicial appointments. He will not be very good for a Republican, but light years better than the kind of judges that Obama or Hillary would appoint. The next Prez will get one or two SC appointments. If it's a Dem, we'd still have 4 conservatives and Kennedy, so it would still be ok, but we'd have at least 4 years to wait for another conservative. However, I don't believe McCain would appoint a true conservative, but more like another Kennedy. So, not as much loss at the SC level, but some damage at the lower courts level.
All in all, not even close to being ready to vote for McCain.
My answer is that it is time for American citizens to support their country and to make a decision in the upcoming election. I’m proud to be a conservative, but even more so an American, and I will be voting. Obviously, not for Hilary/Obama.
Rush. But he won't do it.
I would like to see McCain really campaign as if he wants support from conservatives. And he had better choose a V.P. that conservatives can get behind if he expects to have any chance of winning.
Try this one on for size: McCain supports amnesty and benefits for illegal aliens. In other words, the law only applies to you, not to them. In other words, obey the law and get punished; disobey the law and get rewarded.
McCain also supports carbon credits. In other words, he supports taking your money under threat of force and giving it away.
I can't understand all the fearful, panicked conservatives who are willing to surrender their principles to a wolf in sheep's clothing.
There are republicans, and there are Republicans.
That said, I am not voting for Hillary or Obama either.
I don't see any realistic possibility of having anything but either a Democrat or a Democrat puppet in the White House. The only hope I can see of saving this country is for conservatives to do at least halfway decently in the congressional races. McCain on the ballot is going to do a lot of damage there. The only hope I can see (other than somehow not having McCain on the ballot) is to have a conservative third-party candidate who will draw conservatives to the polls.
Further, I would expect Congress would be less likely to stab conservatives in the back if McCain lost 45-40-15 than if he won 51-49-0.
It continues to be time to help get Mike Huckabee as much support as we can.
Don’t pin many hopes on McCain fighting the war against Islamist to win.