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Is it time for conservatives to support McCain?
Intellectual Conservative ^ | Feb. 25, 2008 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 02/25/2008 9:55:55 PM PST by FocusNexus

Unless one of Huckabee's miracles happens, McCain will be the Republican nominee for president. As other presidential candidates have dropped out, some conservatives, such as Senator and former presidential candidate Sam Brownback from Kansas and Jonah Goldberg from National Review have decided to support him. But many conservative Republicans including Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and James Dobson have continued to hold out on supporting him, and may continue to do so right up until the general election.

For those conservatives who have refrained from supporting McCain because he has too many negatives, they must decide whether those negatives outweigh the negatives of having a Democrat in office.

Even so, the most important issue facing the U.S. today is terrorism. McCain has promised to be tough on terrorism and keep our troops in Iraq until we're assured of stability. The thought of Barack Obama handling our approach to terrorism should send chills down anyone's spine. Hillary Clinton wouldn't be much better, because her motive on the war on terror is to score a legacy for herself.

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1 posted on 02/25/2008 9:55:57 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: FocusNexus

No. It’s time for McCain to convince us to vote for him.


2 posted on 02/25/2008 9:57:46 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: FocusNexus

“they must decide whether those negatives outweigh the negatives of having a Democrat in office.”

I’m decided already.

Voting McCain.


3 posted on 02/25/2008 9:58:35 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: FocusNexus
Here we go again. Another pathetic article begging conservatives to hold their noses for the umpteenth time.
4 posted on 02/25/2008 9:58:52 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: FocusNexus

Nope.


5 posted on 02/25/2008 9:59:33 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: FocusNexus

No way I will be voting for McCain.


6 posted on 02/25/2008 10:00:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: FocusNexus

Nope.


7 posted on 02/25/2008 10:01:33 PM PST by rintense (You don't advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. Piss off McCain and Huck!)
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To: FocusNexus
I’ll vote for McCain because I don’t want Obama. Simple as that. Life ain’t perfect.
8 posted on 02/25/2008 10:02:21 PM PST by DogandPonyShow (Hey Michelle, I'm REALLY PROUD of AMERICA--Have been all my life. I went to AZ State, not Princeton)
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To: Texas Eagle

In 52 seconds, you will be convinced.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs


9 posted on 02/25/2008 10:02:40 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: FocusNexus

No thanks. I’ll pass.


10 posted on 02/25/2008 10:03:08 PM PST by info_scout
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Interestingly enough, 63% of FReepers are facing reality that McCain with all his faults is infinitely better than Obama and plan to vote for him. Very encouraging.

Of course Obama and Pelosi are deeply saddened.

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=227;results=1


11 posted on 02/25/2008 10:05:11 PM PST by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FocusNexus

Not yet! Not till I get all the stuff off me from his repeated golden shower on conservatives! That stuff requires some scrubbing by his sorry A$$!!!


12 posted on 02/25/2008 10:05:16 PM PST by SierraWasp (McCain's NOT a RINO! He's a CONTRA CONSERVATIVE!!! A political hermaphrodite like Schwartzenswindler)
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To: FocusNexus

Here we go, another is he or isn’t he thread.


13 posted on 02/25/2008 10:05:20 PM PST by Rennes Templar ( Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.)
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To: FocusNexus

Let’s see...

Obama: Number 1 liberal Senator, Socialist, cult leader, husband of someone who has just now become proud of the United States of America, wants medical care for everyone except babies who survived an attempt to abort them
Clinton: Number 6 liberal Senator, Socialist, loves Nanny state, wife of a perjured pervert (which pervert would love to take up in his former residence, the White House)
McCain: Pro-life, will be tough with the budget, probably okay for Supreme Court nominations, good with military, has a wife who loves this country. Yes, I have problems with him, but far, far less than with the first two.

In short, yes - the time is now to support McCain. With money and with time.


14 posted on 02/25/2008 10:05:24 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: FocusNexus

NO-JUST NO


15 posted on 02/25/2008 10:05:47 PM PST by nyconse
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To: DennisR

Thank you...........good response!!


16 posted on 02/25/2008 10:06:39 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rennes Templar

“Here we go, another is he or isn’t he thread.”

Agreed. We don’t need to discuss this anymore. We already know the answer.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 10:08:37 PM PST by EEDUDE
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Nice try but that was a video of Obama convincing his base to vote for him.

The fact that you can't find a video of John McClinton promoting Conservative ideas and ideals only serves to bolster my point.

18 posted on 02/25/2008 10:08:37 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: FocusNexus

Nope. ‘True’ conservatives want Obama to be President. /sarc


19 posted on 02/25/2008 10:08:50 PM PST by goldfinch
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To: FocusNexus

Yeah, I find it rather interesting that number keeps creeping up after everyone voted. I think what we’re seeing is some folks voting from work or something. It’s gone up more than 4% for McCain after the initial few days.

It was initially 58% for McCain and 42% against. I don’t think it’s changed without some tinkering of some kind.


20 posted on 02/25/2008 10:10:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: FocusNexus

H3LL NO!


21 posted on 02/25/2008 10:11:53 PM PST by buffyt (Moonbeams lollipops rainbows butterflies puppies everything that's wonderful is what Obama promises.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Your first response was just perfect. And the way things are normally done.

Regards


22 posted on 02/25/2008 10:12:14 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: DoughtyOne

Even if 63% is correct, if the freakin’ Republican nominee (likely) only gets 63% of FReepers, he’s got a problem.


23 posted on 02/25/2008 10:12:48 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: FocusNexus

24 posted on 02/25/2008 10:13:45 PM PST by 50cal Smokepole (Illegetimi non carborundum.)
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To: EEDUDE

“We already know the answer.”

So true. I can’t understand all the people who won’t vote for him.


25 posted on 02/25/2008 10:14:10 PM PST by Rennes Templar ( Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.)
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To: Republic of Texas

Well, I don’t see where he’ll get his backing, but there are a lot of folks I respect, who still think he’s a shoe in. If he is, then God help the Republic, for no one else will for four years.


26 posted on 02/25/2008 10:15:11 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: FocusNexus
No. Its not our job to support him. Its his job to earn our support. There is a difference.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 02/25/2008 10:15:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: FocusNexus
NO!

We want THIS guy ins the White House...

28 posted on 02/25/2008 10:15:42 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: FocusNexus

This seems to be the year that everyone is going to pander to all the moderates or people in the middle. They don’t consider themselves liberal or conservative. They probably are busy with their lives right now and not really paying attention, but they will come summer. Depending on what happens between now and November will have a huge effect on what happens in November.

The Left is probably going to get the candidate that they wanted and the Right is not. I live in California and I think that if Obama wins and the Democrats increase their numbers in Congress to where there have the 60 votes then you are going to have the equivalent of the California Legislature one of the most marxist legislatures. The only thing in California that keeps them in check is the initiative process and some of their measures have been through initiative defeated such as term-limits. Gay marriage was passed in the legislature here and so far hasn’t become law because the people passed an initiative recognizing marriage between a man and a woman. One lawmaker wanted to outlaw spanking of children by making it criminal. Just imagine the US congress being like this and there is no initiative or nothing to keep them in check other than voting them out in 2,4, or 6 years. For those of you who think that the Democrats take over the presidency and congress and will fail miserably the first two or four years and the GOP will return to power, I think that they will implement the changes slowly and they’ll take credit for any upturn in the economy even if its in part to the things that republicans did before.

On a personal level, one good thing that may happen and I am hoping will happen to more people is this: My dad is a Democrat and has voted democrat for a long time. I do not consider him a liberal democrat but a moderate. He feels that Obama scares him enough to vote for McCain.

McCain is not perfect, but who is the conservative out there who could win on a third party ticket?


29 posted on 02/25/2008 10:16:28 PM PST by ripcasc (There is a lot at stake in this election!)
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To: FocusNexus

“Even so, the most important issue facing the U.S. today is terrorism. McCain has promised to be tough on terrorism and keep our troops in Iraq until we’re assured of stability. The thought of Barack Obama handling our approach to terrorism should send chills down anyone’s spine. Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be much better, because her motive on the war on terror is to score a legacy for herself.”

It continues to amaze me how any half serious person could claim McCain is tough on terrorism because he’ll keep troops in Iraq, while leaving our borders wide open and granting amnesty to 20 million illegals. (No, I don’t believe a word he says about securing the border FIRST. He’s in the Senate now, and will be for 9 more months before the vote. What’s he doing about securing the border NOW?)

Someone tell all these clowns that the WTC was not in Baghdad!


30 posted on 02/25/2008 10:17:18 PM PST by Will88 ( The Worst Case Scenario: McCain with a Dhimm majority in the House and Senate)
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To: FocusNexus
What part of NO don't you understand?

I never cease to be amazed that the very man who has made a career of being a maverick (disloyal, undependable, self-serving) now expects the everyone on the right to rally to him.

Sorry, just 'cause you need me now, isn't a reason to vote for you.

If I have to vote for a maverick, I'll write in James Garner.

31 posted on 02/25/2008 10:17:29 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier ("There is only one reason to be a Christian: because it's true" Francis Schaeffer)
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To: goldfinch

“Nope. ‘True’ conservatives want Obama to be President. /sarc”

Apparently — unfortunately a lot of them are doing it for real and feel very virtuous in doing so.


32 posted on 02/25/2008 10:17:38 PM PST by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FocusNexus
If it means to stop Hussein Obama, who will not place his hand over his heart and pledge allegiance to our flag during the national anthem and will not wear a U.S. flag pin on his lapel, yes it is for me. McCain is flawed in many ways but he will continue the WOT and fight the terrorists, while Obama will surrender to them or call a draw. McCain has my vote. I DO NOT want Obama commanding our armed forces. He is a very dangerous man.
33 posted on 02/25/2008 10:18:04 PM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul called Reagan a Dramatic Failure and thinks he is smarter than Abe Lincoln.)
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To: ARE SOLE
Thank you. Thank you very much.

I'm as sick of Republicans playing the fear card as I am of DemocRATS playing the fear card.

34 posted on 02/25/2008 10:18:13 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: Texas Eagle
No. It’s time for McCain to convince us to vote for him.

PRECISELY

35 posted on 02/25/2008 10:19:23 PM PST by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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To: Texas Eagle
High time. Unless you want a socialist Obama telling you where your money is going. (Hint: You won't like the answer.)
36 posted on 02/25/2008 10:19:54 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: goldfinch
Look! We used to have something in this formerly free country called "Freedom of Association!" I still refuse to freely associate myself with people and/or organizations that habitually insult my intelligence!!!

I refuse to support in ANY way those who are working against principals I hold dear and that were held dear by the founders of a country the likes of which the world had never dared to dream of before they did!!!

I want my country back and until I spot a person, or organization they will bring that closer to reality, I'm simply uninspired, unimpressed and certainly not interested in elevating him/her/them to the position George Washington held!!!

So you just keep up your clever little "needling" of serious conservatives who sincerely love America's traditions and traditonal cultural freedoms and values. I'm sure you'll be so pleased and inspired as many of us were here in CA after all the Schwartzenswindler rhetoric at the 2004 Republican CONvention, only to see him steering our ship of state into a generation of bondage and foolishness!!! Now he endorses your pathetic hero... enjoy, but include me OUT!!!

37 posted on 02/25/2008 10:20:56 PM PST by SierraWasp (McCain's NOT a RINO! He's a CONTRA CONSERVATIVE!!! A political hermaphrodite like Schwartzenswindler)
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To: FocusNexus
Who he picks for VP will influence whether or not I vote for McCain. My strong inkling is NO.

The question we have to ask ourselves is who furthers our cause in the long run. I think the remaining Republicans in congress can more likely stop an Obama agenda over McCain’s. Many of McCain’s positions already have support on the Dem side so being a Republican, Republicans in congress will much more likely go along. And when things go wrong, and they are going to go wrong, Iran, Russia, etc. what label should it wear, Democrat or Republican?

38 posted on 02/25/2008 10:21:33 PM PST by DB
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To: hinckley buzzard
High time. Unless you want a socialist Obama telling you where your money is going.

As opposed to a Socialist McCain. You think McCain is going to stand up against all those fellow horse-traders he's spent so much time with over the last 5 decades or however the hell long he has been in the Senate?

There's a reason why people like McCain fight like hell to keep from going out there and making a living in the world he helped create.

39 posted on 02/25/2008 10:22:26 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: Texas Eagle
"No. It’s time for McCain to convince us to vote for him.

This is worth repeating. Often--until McCain gives some straight talk to conservatives.

40 posted on 02/25/2008 10:22:31 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: goldfinch
Nope. ‘True’ conservatives want Obama to be President. /sarc

What makes you think that Obama will be able to wave a magic wand and make all the Democrats in Congress go along with his wishes? It didn't work for the Clintons in 1993-1994, and I don't think it will work for Obama in 2009-2010.

If McCain wins, congresspeople will receive a clear message that they can ignore conservatives with impunity. By contrast, if McCain loses and a conservative third-party candidate finishes decently (say, a 45-40-15 election result) congresspeople are more likely to decide that ignoring conservatives would be unacceptably dangerous to their careers. Which message do you want Congress to receive?

41 posted on 02/25/2008 10:22:46 PM PST by supercat
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To: FocusNexus
A better question would be "Is it time for conservatives to accept amnesty for illegals, closing Gitmo, putting enemy combatants in courts and giving them lawyers, abolishing waterboarding, and paying more taxes to combat "global warming"?

Coupled with that these same conservatives must also decide that it's OK to reward RINOs for years of constantly kissing Teddy Kennedy's ass and the asses of any and all other democRATs who happen to be nearby.

42 posted on 02/25/2008 10:23:08 PM PST by Slump Tester (-What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: FocusNexus
Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain.

I think I see a pattern.

It's not time yet. I haven't decided yet whether the long term interests of conservatism, which would be well served by seeing McCain go down in flames, outweigh the short term pain of having a leftist in the White House. I think those are the factors we need to weigh. Even then, people will come up with different calculations, because the future cannot be known with any certainty, so we have to guess as to what might happen.

What I won't do is vote for McCain just because he's better than the Dem. We know that; but a. can he win? (If not, who cares how I vote); and b. If he did win, is he better for conservatism, or does he make permanent the socialist agenda?.

I tend to believe that he has no chance to win, so this is one of those times when we can send a message without penalty. The lesson may be learned when McCain's loss of Dole-like proportions becomes a McGovern-like landslide.

I also am currently leaning to the belief that McCain's supposed benefits on defense and foreign policy are not as great as advertised. I think he will be so eager to please that he is likely to pull out of Iraq quickly (after all, he has "credibility" and it will please the NY Times and make them like him again), and I don't think he will be any tougher in the WOT than Bush has been, which is not enough.

On domestic issues, I don't trust him one bit Taxes, he is a wild card. Maybe he'll honor his campaign promises, maybe he'll revert to form. On immigration, we know he will not protect the border, and he will sign anything the Dems send him. That will end American politics as we know it, and guarantee that conservatives remain a minority forever. With a Dem in charge, the Republicans might retain enough gumption to fight an amnesty bill--maybe.

The one category that I think plays strongly in McCain's favor is judicial appointments. He will not be very good for a Republican, but light years better than the kind of judges that Obama or Hillary would appoint. The next Prez will get one or two SC appointments. If it's a Dem, we'd still have 4 conservatives and Kennedy, so it would still be ok, but we'd have at least 4 years to wait for another conservative. However, I don't believe McCain would appoint a true conservative, but more like another Kennedy. So, not as much loss at the SC level, but some damage at the lower courts level.

All in all, not even close to being ready to vote for McCain.

43 posted on 02/25/2008 10:23:15 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slightly slower road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: FocusNexus

My answer is that it is time for American citizens to support their country and to make a decision in the upcoming election. I’m proud to be a conservative, but even more so an American, and I will be voting. Obviously, not for Hilary/Obama.


44 posted on 02/25/2008 10:23:18 PM PST by Williams
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To: ripcasc
who is the conservative out there who could win on a third party ticket?

Rush. But he won't do it.

45 posted on 02/25/2008 10:26:06 PM PST by Defiant (The new GOP: A slightly slower road to socialist authoritarianism. Hoorah!)
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To: FocusNexus

I would like to see McCain really campaign as if he wants support from conservatives. And he had better choose a V.P. that conservatives can get behind if he expects to have any chance of winning.


46 posted on 02/25/2008 10:26:09 PM PST by Mogollon (Vote straight GOP for congress....our only protection against Obama-Clinton, or McCain.)
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To: Rennes Templar
I can’t understand all the people who won’t vote for him.

Try this one on for size: McCain supports amnesty and benefits for illegal aliens. In other words, the law only applies to you, not to them. In other words, obey the law and get punished; disobey the law and get rewarded.

McCain also supports carbon credits. In other words, he supports taking your money under threat of force and giving it away.

I can't understand all the fearful, panicked conservatives who are willing to surrender their principles to a wolf in sheep's clothing.

There are republicans, and there are Republicans.

That said, I am not voting for Hillary or Obama either.

47 posted on 02/25/2008 10:26:49 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Admin Moderator for President. The lesser of two evils is still evil.)
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To: ripcasc
McCain is not perfect, but who is the conservative out there who could win on a third party ticket?

I don't see any realistic possibility of having anything but either a Democrat or a Democrat puppet in the White House. The only hope I can see of saving this country is for conservatives to do at least halfway decently in the congressional races. McCain on the ballot is going to do a lot of damage there. The only hope I can see (other than somehow not having McCain on the ballot) is to have a conservative third-party candidate who will draw conservatives to the polls.

Further, I would expect Congress would be less likely to stab conservatives in the back if McCain lost 45-40-15 than if he won 51-49-0.

48 posted on 02/25/2008 10:27:09 PM PST by supercat
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To: FocusNexus

It continues to be time to help get Mike Huckabee as much support as we can.


49 posted on 02/25/2008 10:27:56 PM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: Will88
This is the man who wants to close Gitmo. Who thinks illegal enemy combatants deserve criminal trials and constitutional rights here in America. Who thinks that these illegal combatants are entitled to highly classified information at trial - only to be used against us afterwards. Who thinks water boarding is torture and that “torture” should never be used.

Don’t pin many hopes on McCain fighting the war against Islamist to win.

50 posted on 02/25/2008 10:29:18 PM PST by DB
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