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Is this crazy, or is this crazy?
SPECTATOR.co.uk ^ | 24 February 2008

Posted on 02/26/2008 3:45:21 AM PST by Doctor13

The decision by Britain, America and certain other European countries to recognise Kosovo as an independent state is mind-blowingly stupid and suicidal and of a piece with their obvious determination to capitulate in the war for civilisation. It is a rotten decision for the following reasons:

1) It endorses a breach of a country's right to maintain its own integrity. Serbia is a properly constituted democratic country. To recognise the validity of such a secession is to undermine the principle of a country's right to determine its own composition. It puts up two fingers to international law, which explicitly recognises Serbian authority over Kosovo and upholds a state’s right to its own sovereignty. It opens the way for any other breakaway movement to do the same, both in the Balkans and around the world. So Tamils can now claim a precedent for seceding from Sri Lanka, Corsicans from France, Basques from Spain. And after Kosovo, can Scotland be far behind?

2) It asserts that religion matters more than nationality. This is multiculturalism taken to its lunatic natural conclusion. It says in effect that nationality is not the glue that must bind people of different creeds together, but religion or ethnicity can be allowed to break the nation apart. Every nation with restive ethnic minorities will now be undermined by this endorsement of illegal Balkanisation. Serbians will now find themselves foreigners in their own country. And as Eldad Beck applies the same thinking to Israel -- whose kamikaze government is said to be ‘thinking about’ recognising Kosovo too -- a horrific potential scenario presents itself:

In contradiction to all the pessimistic predictions, Israel and the Palestinians are able to successfully conclude negotiations on a final-status agreement, among other things based to incentives provided by the European Union. In the final stages of negotiations, Israeli representatives cave in to international pressure and waive the demand to recognize Israel’s unique Jewish character.

A short while after the agreement is signed, an uprising breaks out in the Galilee, in the Triangle area, and in the southern Negev desert, with Arab Israelis demanding a cultural and political autonomy that would enable them to manage their own lives while disconnecting from the State of Israel’s ‘Jewish’ institutions.

The bloody clashes between the sides prompt the United Nations to call on Israel to restrain itself and consider the deployment of multinational forces to serve as a buffer. The European Union threatens to renounce Israel’s special status if it fails to act immediately in order to meet the demands of the minority living within it. Israel’s dependence on the EU is so great that it is forced to capitulate and turn into a ‘greater Tel Aviv’ shtetl.

3) It gives victory to the forces of ethnic cleansing. Although the Serbs under Milosevic committed atrocities, the Kosovars started the killing in their revolt against a sovereign country and drove out between 150,000 and 200,000 Serbs. In the past eight years 1,248 non-Albanians have been killed, with many more kidnapped, now presumed dead. 151 spiritual and cultural monuments in Kosovo have been destroyed by Albanians and 213 mosques built with money from Saudi Arabia. Eighty per cent of graveyards have been destroyed or desecrated, with no response from the international community. The Albanians have turned Christian graveyards into car parks, playgrounds and rubbish dumps. Anything relating to Serbia or Christianity libraries, public records, books, names of places and even towns have been wiped out.

4) Most important of all, an independent Muslim Kosovo is a beachhead for radical Islam in Europe. Al Qaeda has been operating in Kosovo since the early 1990s. Jihadis from Yemen and Chechnya have been fighting with the Kosovo Liberation Army and Saudi is pouring money into the Kosovo mosques thus turning them into Wahhabi hotbeds of radicalism. Caroline Glick notes in the Jerusalem Post:

In 2006, John Gizzi reported in Human Events that the German intelligence service BND had confirmed that the 2005 terrorist bombings in Britain and the 2004 bombings in Spain were organized in Kosovo. Furthermore, ‘The man at the center of the provision of the explosives in both instances was an Albanian, operating mostly out of Kosovo... who is the second ranking leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army, Niam Behzloulzi.’

It was at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 that some 70,000 died to keep the Islamic Ottoman Empire from advancing further into Europe. What is the point of fighting the jihad in Iraq when we are cheerfully opening the door to it in that very same place?

Russia’s President Putin has warned that recognising Kosovo will rebound very badly upon the countries who have blundered into endorsing it. The fact that this outcome is merely the inevitable consequence of the war so unwisely prosecuted by those countries against Serbia does not soften its deeply alarming implications. Putin is warning only too correctly of the dangers to the west of this development and the supreme folly of endorsing it.

For once, Putin is on the right side and Britain and America are utterly wrong. That is the measure of this debacle.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: balkanization; clintonswar; illegalimmigrants; islamofascists; jihad; kosovo; serbia; wrongside

1 posted on 02/26/2008 3:45:22 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13

Doc,
This is nothing new, and it’s been building for years. Marshall Tito kept a lid on the pressure cooker with his dictatorship, but once he died and the Wall came down, all hell of religious and ethnic differences broke loose.


2 posted on 02/26/2008 3:48:44 AM PST by SFC MAC (SFC McElroy, US ARMY (RET))
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To: SFC MAC

But the United Stets and NATO didn’t have to take the side of evil no matter what happened.


3 posted on 02/26/2008 4:00:25 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Birmingham Rain

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4 posted on 02/26/2008 4:09:13 AM PST by Birmingham Rain
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To: SFC MAC

“This is nothing new, and it’s been building for years. Marshall Tito kept a lid on the pressure cooker with his dictatorship, but once he died and the Wall came down, all hell of religious and ethnic differences broke loose.”

Actually, the same thing happened in Iraq, truth be told. As well as in Lebanon. Some countries are just totally fractured by their minorities, ethnic and religious differences. The question is, how far down can you fracture a country, into how small of a part to accomodate all of your minority or religious differences? Heck, Russia itself is comprised of a zillion ethnic and religious minorities. As is India and China.

It’s kind of funny, but the U.S., comprised of every religious and ethnic group you can think of, as we are a melting pot, actually has a more homogeneous population, an American quality, then many others. Weird, out of many, one. Won’t last though, the way things are going currently. Unassimilated new immigrants with no ideological ties to our country anymore. Their loyalties, for too many, lie with their home countries nowadays.


5 posted on 02/26/2008 4:12:22 AM PST by flaglady47 (Algore: send global warming to Chicago area; will pay any carbon tax - desperate)
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To: Doctor13

Good article. Thanks for posting.


6 posted on 02/26/2008 4:16:22 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Doctor13
Interesting that the US leadership would back Kosovo independence yet the very same people would more than likely oppose the same thing on US soil.

How many of our "leaders" would say the South had the same right to secede from the US as Kosovo does?

7 posted on 02/26/2008 4:21:13 AM PST by FReepaholic (Me no bottom man. Me top man.)
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To: FReepaholic

They all do.


8 posted on 02/26/2008 4:28:49 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: Doctor13

this sets a very bad precedent.
Using this precedent the mexican population in the southwest could justify a guerilla style insurrection campaign. The United Nations could support that insurrection and that would lead to a bloody struggle.

It’s bad news that the republican government is supporting this.


9 posted on 02/26/2008 4:31:31 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Doctor13
The decision by Britain, America and certain other European countries to recognise Kosovo as an independent state is mind-blowingly stupid and suicidal and of a piece with their obvious determination to capitulate in the war for civilisation.

Well said! I agree. I have seen no justification for the Clinton initiative to kill Serbs. Since we bombed and destroyed all the bridges across the Danube, killing thousands of civilians, many of us are scratching our heads wondering why Albright and Clinton have not been brought to justice for their criminal behavior. It is beyond me why the USA would kill Christians to help create another Islamofacist nation. Furthermore, it is beyond me why the current Administration supports such a plain stupid policy!

10 posted on 02/26/2008 4:37:33 AM PST by olezip
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To: agere_contra; Doctor13
Good article. Thanks for posting.

Agree. Thanks Doctor13.

11 posted on 02/26/2008 4:39:23 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Doctor13

Crazy is the nice word for aiding and abetting Jihad. Insanity is a more appropriate word, but Suicidal is the correct word.

This will be spun many ways, but it will come back to bite and draw blood.


12 posted on 02/26/2008 4:41:24 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Doctor13

The Serbs should all move immediately to a region of Kosovo where they are the majority and get the “refugee gig” going. Of course Serbia should not offer to help them in anyway other than incite them to be a thorn in the side of Kosovo.

The Serbs can then get out their cameras and start filming propaganda and fauxtography of innocent Serbian children being bombed and the elderly being mistreated. They are going to need a Serbian Arafat and some really cool ninja outfits.

A TV station is a must and disturbing children’s programming is even more imperative. If they think I am stirring them wrongly all they need to do is look at the “Palestinians”. The fake refugee is a good gig. The Serbs just need to step up the drama and wait for the foreign aid dollars to roll in. They need to start thug clubs with cool names like the Binac Monastery Brigade and start naming any site a Serbian has even thought about as a holy site. If a Muslim tries to open so much as a coffee shop the Serbs must immediately claim it is being built on holy site #21,497 (or appropriate number). All is needed after all that is done is just to sit back and rake in the foreign aid dollars......../Sarc


13 posted on 02/26/2008 4:44:37 AM PST by WildcatClan (Real Marxism you can believe in. Yes, we can. Si, se puede.)
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To: Doctor13

I think, when you peel all the BS away, historians will find that Saudi/Gulf State $$ was behind this decisions. We have been spending like drunken sailors. The Gulf State $$ helps bail us out from our freckless decisions. This was payback pure and simple—throw the Muslims a bone in a place where no one thinks it will make a difference. Israel is next on the chopping block—bank on it.


14 posted on 02/26/2008 4:48:24 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: flaglady47
Won’t last though, the way things are going currently. Unassimilated new immigrants with no ideological ties to our country anymore. Their loyalties, for too many, lie with their home countries nowadays.

BINGO!

15 posted on 02/26/2008 5:15:59 AM PST by varon (receptive)
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To: Bokababe; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; ...

Gee, I got to this one before any of the Dhimmwit posters!


16 posted on 02/26/2008 5:33:08 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: SFC MAC; Tailgunner Joe

Actually, Tito encouraged the displacement of Serbs from Kosovo so we’re actually supporting an old Communist plot.

Would you believe some folks are stupid enough to believe this idiocy is in America’s interests? Guess they’ve forgotten who is responsible for 9/11.


17 posted on 02/26/2008 5:36:24 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Doctor13

Kosovo = New Jihadist training camp

great...


18 posted on 02/26/2008 5:38:54 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...

Thanks for posting!

Ping!


19 posted on 02/26/2008 5:51:25 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Doctor13

Insanity. Starting with Bubba Clinton’s misguided war in support of the Kosovo moslems against the Serb Christians, compunded by NATO’s inept “peace keeping” that punishes the Serbs and encourages the moslem Kosovars, and now recognizing the disolution of Serbia in favor of a new moslem nation on Europe’s soft underbelly all shouts loudly INSANITY!


20 posted on 02/26/2008 5:57:57 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Doctor13

It’s the Balkans, crazy is the option available


21 posted on 02/26/2008 6:00:01 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Never say yer sorry, mister. It's a sign of weakness)
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To: flaglady47

“Unassimilated new immigrants with no ideological ties to our country anymore. Their loyalties, for too many, lie with their home countries nowadays.”

Which makes a domestic explosion of competing ethnic and religious interests here in America all but inevitable.

Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.


22 posted on 02/26/2008 6:00:27 AM PST by ought-six
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To: FormerLib; Doctor13

The Dhimmwits are still celebrating their Kosovo coup, and are too drunk to post!!!!


23 posted on 02/26/2008 7:42:32 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
But the United Stets and NATO didn’t have to take the side of evil no matter what happened.

Yet we did. *sigh*

24 posted on 02/26/2008 7:48:08 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: olezip
I have seen no justification for the Clinton initiative to kill Serbs. Since we bombed and destroyed all the bridges across the Danube, killing thousands of civilians, many of us are scratching our heads wondering why Albright and Clinton have not been brought to justice for their criminal behavior.

Their employer guides and protects them. (All the protection cost was their souls)...

25 posted on 02/26/2008 7:52:02 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: rockinqsranch
Crazy is the nice word for aiding and abetting Jihad. Insanity is a more appropriate word, but Suicidal is the correct word.

Hey! Don't lose your head over islam...

26 posted on 02/26/2008 7:54:28 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: FormerLib
Guess they’ve forgotten who is responsible for 9/11.

Forget? Maybe.

Forgive? NEVER.

27 posted on 02/26/2008 7:56:52 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: Katya
Fixed your typo:

Kosovo = New and improved Jihadist training camp.

(The only "improvement" is it will produce jihadists that don't look middle eastern, they'll blend in better in the western world)

Sadly, the end product will be as Churchill described in 1899:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

*sigh* islam has made as much progress in the past 109 years as it did in the previous 12 centuries, that is to say, Zero...

28 posted on 02/26/2008 8:06:39 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: Samurai_Jack
The United Nations could support that insurrection


29 posted on 02/26/2008 8:16:27 AM PST by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: null and void
Did you know that calling Muslims Mohammdans is offensive to them?

Someone asked, "Can you be a good Muslim and a good American?"

If you follow the Koran that demands they seek out the infidel (that's you and I) and slay him, then he would be a good Muslim but a bad American.

And if a Muslim is a good American, and does not follow the demans of the Koran, then he is a bad Muslim.

Yes, there are good Muslims out there but they have a decision to make.

Which do they want to be. To be a good Muslim or a good American.

30 posted on 02/26/2008 10:27:22 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13
Did you know that calling Muslims Mohammdans is offensive to them?

Yep. BUT:

#1 EVERYTHING offends them, so why bother trying not to?
#2 I could care less about offending them, but it would require considerable effort on my part.
#3 I'm not going to alter the words of Churchill to pacify pond scum.
#4 Mohammedans was the generally accepted term in 1899. I think we should bring it back. Except I wouldn't bother to capitalize it...

31 posted on 02/26/2008 10:40:51 AM PST by null and void (The less you know, the better Hillary looks.)
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To: Doctor13

5. It legitimizes using NATO as a world police force altering its original charter as a defensive alliance.


32 posted on 02/26/2008 11:41:44 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: olezip
Since we bombed and destroyed all the bridges across the Danube, killing thousands of civilians, many of us are scratching our heads wondering why Albright and Clinton have not been brought to justice for their criminal behavior.

It couldn't highlight more how bogus international courts are. If they had any credibility at all Clinton would have been indicted for war crimes.

33 posted on 02/26/2008 11:47:13 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Samurai_Jack
this sets a very bad precedent. Using this precedent the mexican population in the southwest could justify a guerilla style insurrection campaign.

...and eventually, they will.

34 posted on 02/26/2008 11:49:15 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Doctor13

Great article with valuable history, background and perspective. I’ll print for later review to shore up my rather weak undertanding of the situation.

Thanks.


35 posted on 02/26/2008 12:09:22 PM PST by fire and forget
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To: Doctor13

bump for later


36 posted on 02/26/2008 12:30:45 PM PST by Reddy (VOTE CONSERVATIVE in '08!)
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