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Video shows Gilbert bus driver, student in physical fight
ABC15 ^ | 2/25/2008 | Nicole Beyer

Posted on 02/26/2008 2:19:42 PM PST by freedomwarrior998

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To: hope; CindyDawg

If it’s true the doors were locked, she could have prevented the student from getting off of the bus without ever laying a hand on her. The driver was as wrong if not more so than the student. She is the adult in charge and she blew it.


101 posted on 02/26/2008 7:54:06 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: hope

The only mistake the driver made was that she should’ve decked that snotty brat hard enough that she couldn’t get back up.

What’s wrong with all the *boys* on that bus that none of them protected the driver from the little twit?


102 posted on 02/26/2008 7:55:24 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: PleaseNoMore

Well I obviously diagree but you are intitled to your own opinion. The jury will sort it out. I’m more interested ih how kids become like this to begin with.


103 posted on 02/26/2008 7:56:03 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
Surely, you are stuck on the side of the driver. Who, in my opinion could have avoided the situation getting out of control by doing what she was suppose to do...call in the incident, wait for arrival. She was wrong, the students involved were wrong. Her example to every student on that bus was pathetic... Sorry you think otherwise. I say throw the book at all of them!
104 posted on 02/26/2008 7:56:43 PM PST by hope (hope with no vision...Yeah, that's a winning ticket.)
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To: PleaseNoMore
"She is the adult in charge and she blew it."

Absolutely!!!!

105 posted on 02/26/2008 7:58:09 PM PST by hope (hope with no vision...Yeah, that's a winning ticket.)
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To: Ramius

So the “boys” are supposed to become physical with a nonviolent 14/15 yo girl?


106 posted on 02/26/2008 7:58:46 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Ramius

Apparently according to the 911 tapes, they didn’t see the way you do.


107 posted on 02/26/2008 7:58:48 PM PST by hope (hope with no vision...Yeah, that's a winning ticket.)
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To: Ramius

Yep. She probably needed to be slapped silly ,a long time ago.


108 posted on 02/26/2008 8:00:37 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Ramius
I wouldn’t be too hard on the boys though. Despite other opinions here the bus driver had things under control until the last. She told them to stay in their seats when a few attempted to get up and they did. A few boys did run up but “sis” had already set her straight by then.
109 posted on 02/26/2008 8:03:27 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: freedomwarrior998

I saw the video on GMA.

It’s too bad eveyone is being treated as if they had “equal” contribution to the problem.

The problem clearly was the bratty, self-absorbed, violent snot who refused to sit, and who attempted to leave the bus at an unapproved stop (driver was not legally allowed to leave the brat there).

so...bratty snot gets physical - and the driver’s daughter sees this and gets upset. She comes to mom’s defense.

Driver should keep her job and not be punished.
The upset daughter should be given a light slap, and the brat should be banned from riding the bus, as well as go to a superintendent’s hearing for expulsion.


110 posted on 02/26/2008 8:07:35 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: CindyDawg
The driver struck first. The girl was NOT even a disruption until the driver pulled over and called the girl by her name and asked her why she was on the bus. If talking was the girl's "crime" that's something that she could have been written up for and it could have been dealt with in the principal's office the next school morning. The girl could not be heard over the louder students so what was the big deal? That's obvious from the beginning of the tape.

I do believe the girl deserves to be charged with being disorderly, but the driver clearly handled the matter wrong from the onset. Remember, regardless of the girl's temper tantrum, the driver is the adult in charge. She used bad judgement in how she handled the situation.

111 posted on 02/26/2008 8:08:20 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: CindyDawg

What are you watching? The one young boy that came forward was obviously attempting to pull the bus driver’s daughter off of the girl. He went straight for the bus driver’s daughter saying “get off”. This driver was NOT in control. At all.


112 posted on 02/26/2008 8:12:57 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: PleaseNoMore
So the “boys” are supposed to become physical with a nonviolent 14/15 yo girl?

Damn straight. And if you think that little witch was non-violent we didn't watch the same footage.

Boys should be taught to protect women who are being assaulted. With violence if needed.

113 posted on 02/26/2008 8:17:07 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: PleaseNoMore
Look we are never going to see the same thing. I believe that children should respect authority and be disciplined when they don't. Notice I said disciplined and not abused but I am not a "don't touch my lil darlin" person. I do not have a problem with this bus driver "touching" this child. Where did this "no touch" come from anyway?

And yes right up until the last she had the other kids under control. Out of the entire bus, only 2 weren't doing what they were told.

114 posted on 02/26/2008 8:20:00 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Scotswife

I don’t even know if I would light slap the daughter. When she came up, before she even made contact, her words were, “get off my mother” Nothing most of us wouldn’t do, even for a stranger.


115 posted on 02/26/2008 8:22:34 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Scotswife

I don’t even know if I would light slap the daughter. When she came up, before she even made contact, her words were, “get off my mother” Nothing most of us wouldn’t do, even for a stranger.


116 posted on 02/26/2008 8:22:36 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

I know...but these days it’s difficult not to do anything to someone who’s been caught on tape getting physical.


117 posted on 02/26/2008 8:24:53 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Ramius
At what point in time in the video did the girl become violent? Nearly the whole video she had both of her hands in the air while the driver pushed her. Then the driver slapped her phone out of her hand. When the girl reached for her phone the driver grabbed the girl and is shown pulling the girl's hair while the girl is yelling "Get off me". The daughter comes up and gets in the brawl but notice she sees parents at the bus door (she looks toward the door)and then tells her mom to get off the other girl realizing others are watching.

This girl was no threat to this driver. The girl says in the video while on the phone with her mom that the driver was accusing her of talking loudly. As the video starts you cannot hear the girl over the louder students. This was a matter that could have been handled with a write up and follow up in the principal's office on the next school morning. There was nothing shown to warrant the driver pulling over to start with. It looks as if there was something that posed an immediate threat to the safety of the other kids prior to this escalating it would also be shown as the tape was rolling then too.

118 posted on 02/26/2008 8:25:01 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: PleaseNoMore
The driver struck first. The girl was NOT even a disruption until the driver pulled over...

LOL...yeah, right.

119 posted on 02/26/2008 8:25:51 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: PleaseNoMore

That was your little darling on the bus, wasn’t it...


120 posted on 02/26/2008 8:28:47 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: CindyDawg
Look we are never going to see the same thing.

Well, it's right there...right before your eyes. The boy was not defending the bus driver. He was going after her daughter.

I believe children should obey authority as well. But, that doesn't mean those in authority are always right or that those in authority never cross boundaries they shouldn't cross. This driver handled this wrong and crossed boundaries she shouldn't have crossed.

Notice I said disciplined and not abused...

So, you really didn't mean it when you said she should have been "slapped silly" a long time ago?

121 posted on 02/26/2008 8:29:53 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Scotswife

Yeah I know. Sad, that we have got to the point that LE is needed to ride the bus. What would a police officer have done, if he had been on the bus and she had acted the same towards him?


122 posted on 02/26/2008 8:29:58 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Ramius

Then point out from the video the exact time BEFORE the driver pulled over that the girl was being disruptive.


123 posted on 02/26/2008 8:31:10 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: PleaseNoMore

Oh yeah I meant it. I don’t consider a mother slapping a child that utters that kind of trash, abuse though. You really don’t think this is the first fit she has thrown, do you?


124 posted on 02/26/2008 8:32:58 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

she would have gotten tased...probably several times.


125 posted on 02/26/2008 8:33:21 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Ramius
That was your little darling on the bus, wasn’t it...

Nope.

126 posted on 02/26/2008 8:33:35 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: CindyDawg
A mother slapping her kid? Yes. A bus driver? No.
127 posted on 02/26/2008 8:36:28 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Scotswife

Oh I hope not. I hate those things:’)


128 posted on 02/26/2008 8:37:27 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: PleaseNoMore

Agreed. I would have had no problem with the bus driver wrapping her arms around her and putting her in her seat though. That’s me though. Don’t put people in charge of your kids if you don’t trust them. If you do, then support them.


129 posted on 02/26/2008 8:41:08 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: PleaseNoMore

The minute she said anything *other* than “yes, ma’am” to the driver. That’s when.


130 posted on 02/26/2008 8:41:35 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: CindyDawg
"Don’t put people in charge of your kids if you don’t trust them."

I don't. I am my child's parent. Not the school. Not a bus driver. Not anyone else. If anyone has a problem with my kids, they need to come to me with it. I am responsible for them. I will handle the matter. If I am derelict in my duties as a parent, I will assume all responsiblity for correcting myself and my child.

131 posted on 02/26/2008 8:45:59 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: Ramius
The minute she said anything *other* than “yes, ma’am” to the driver. That’s when.

Oh BS.

132 posted on 02/26/2008 8:47:12 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: freedomwarrior998

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0NvWukOvZs0&feature=related


133 posted on 02/26/2008 8:58:50 PM PST by restornu (Maybe your are a church mouse! cheese cheese...)>)
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To: restornu

What do you think about this, Rest?


134 posted on 02/26/2008 9:05:20 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: PleaseNoMore

The perception your are leaving is a permissive attitude and if you have teen child it would not surprise me if she acted like this brat or the other brat behind her who was trying to aggravate the situation!


135 posted on 02/26/2008 9:12:42 PM PST by restornu (Maybe your are a church mouse! cheese cheese...)>)
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To: hope

The driver handled it completely wrong


I have to agree no matter how bratty the little bch was. Call the cops and wait. Do not touch the bch or slap the phone away.


136 posted on 02/26/2008 9:30:49 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: CindyDawg

I am in great pain to see that.

There is a reason for young people to be respectful had the young lady just put the phone away none of this would have escalated.

I really think those who have to deal with teenagers should be required to take a course in verbiage.

Some parents insist that their children be respectful to them and to those who are in their care.

The teen years are the hardest even for well behaved children, it is that transition age and it is even harder for other to deal with those who parents are too lenient with their kids.

I have heard of this method in how to talk to that age group and I think it is an excellent tool to have knowledge of so one can cope with them.

How to get result with out WWIII and it works like magic in most cases.

It is all in the approach what ever it is it is music the teens ears for they are more compliant.

This verbiage course helps to maintain authority yet is able to get the teen to comply and no one is feeling challenge.


137 posted on 02/26/2008 9:33:48 PM PST by restornu (Maybe your are a church mouse! cheese cheese...)>)
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To: restornu

I don’t have perfect kids, but no, my children are respectful and they do not act like this girl. I still disagree with the idea that the driver handled this matter correctly. Apparently, after interviewing the other kids and parents who saw this incident first hand, the police department doesn’t feel she did either per Sgt. Mike Marrino (Gilbert, Az. PD on CNN commentary) and she, along with the other three girls involved, will be charged accordingly.


138 posted on 02/26/2008 9:42:53 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: CindyDawg

I like the way this bus driver handled things!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ndmPH1MMs


139 posted on 02/27/2008 1:20:12 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: freedomwarrior998

I have to agree.....that teenage girl was way out of line. She needs to be suspended and after that walk to school.


140 posted on 02/27/2008 2:09:16 AM PST by tioga (Beware: conservative with back to the wall. Proceed with extreme caution.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

I am with you. this punk needs to be knocked down several notches.


141 posted on 02/27/2008 2:14:35 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: PleaseNoMore; hope; CindyDawg
When the girl did not respond to the driver's request that she see down -- that, given the situation -- was a criminal act.

When the girl continued to the front and boldly told the the driver that she was getting off -- that was, imo, close to assault -- it was a threat of assualt. Possibly criminal.

When the girl then approached the driver and continued her insubordinate, loud, verbally abusive demand to be let off the bus that was assault and endangerment. Endangerment because the brat had by then put the safety of everyone else on the bus at risk and showed every sign of escalating both her misbehavior, the conflict with the authority, and the endangerment of the bus, and even perhaps incitement to riot. All criminal, all demanding immediate action by the driver.

When the driver pushed the girl back towards her seat, that was the PROPER and DUE action at the time. For the driver NOT to have done so was, perhaps, negligence or dereliction of duty on her part.

Here is another report:

Sullivan has her supporters.

"In the business we call it a conflict spiral. It's a situation where things were bad, got terribly worse," said Huntington Coach Corp. senior manager Paul Mori.

Mori, a school bus driver instructor, said it looked like Sullivan acted reasonably.

"Calm down. Just calm down," Sullivan said on the tape.

"I believe the driver was trying de-escalate the situation with the student," Mori said. "It sounds like she tried to keep a pretty level tone about herself in the situation. She didn't lose it."

The Higley Unified School District also backs its 54-year-old bus driver and sent letters to parents Wednesday saying it is conducting its own investigation.

"The district is standing by their bus driver, by their employee. The driver was following the training she received and Arizona law. It's a situation where the student was not following the direction of the bus driver," the district said in a statement.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=4344477&page=2

The police made a bad judgment call when they charged the driver and issued a statement saying all parties acted wrongfully. A damn bad judgment, too.

I hope the locals follow up on as to why the police -- specifically Gilbert Police Department Sgt. Mark Marino. who made that premature and ill-considered statement. Is there some conflict of interest with a family, or a background police dispute with the school authorities? It was a very unwise charge to lay against the driver and her daughter and an extremely unwise public statement to issue.

142 posted on 02/27/2008 4:33:49 AM PST by bvw
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To: CindyDawg; PleaseNoMore; hope
"see down" -> SIT down.

As in "Sit down, you're rocking the boat!" (a lyric from Guys and Dolls). Same principle in law too -- a person on a boat who stands and rocks it back in forth endangers every other person on the boat. A captain on the boat -- or indeed any other boat rider -- is fully justified in using whatever force necessary including such force as would cause severe injury, in order to prevent the person from endangering all.

143 posted on 02/27/2008 4:38:52 AM PST by bvw
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To: PleaseNoMore
It is the school and the bus company who are the responsible authorities in this matter. By that I mean that they are the ones who set the policy, do the training and who are legally responsible for safe operation of the school buses. THEY support the driver.

Perhaps you were not aware of that support from the proper and responsible authorities for the driver -- for you did not mention it in your post.

144 posted on 02/27/2008 4:52:09 AM PST by bvw
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To: Pravious
What I see is a bunch of spoiled little girls, pretending that they’re adults. In my view, the bus driver should be given a medal, and every student who refused to accept her authority be banned from riding the bus.

That sums it up quite nicely.

145 posted on 02/27/2008 6:08:20 AM PST by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Azzurri

Your video..same situation..foul mouth, disrespectful children but this bus driver was not in control. I had no problem with him making one sit down but the others rioted and he even let one get behind him. This lady stayed in her territory, kept the other kids calm and blocked the door. I feel for both of them though. Do we need cages? This is ridiculous.


146 posted on 02/27/2008 6:44:48 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: tioga

She needs to be expelled. I doubt that attitude is just saved for the bus driver. Let her finish up at home with momma or alternative classes.


147 posted on 02/27/2008 6:49:34 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: hope

Hiya neighbor! (Waving from Gilbert)


148 posted on 02/27/2008 6:54:17 AM PST by mom3boys
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To: bvw
Of course they're going to publicly support their driver.

The police department and the district attorney's office see things a bit differently though BASED upon interviews with kids who were on the bus and parents who were outside of the bus and who had a clearer view of the situation.

I am NOT saying this girl deserves aa pass or that she did nothing wrong. I am saying I believe this driver handled this situation improperly from the get go.

149 posted on 02/27/2008 8:27:18 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: bvw
First, I'd have to read the laws of that county/state to determine whether or not what you're saying are criminal acts are indeeed criminal acts. While the bus company may support her now, they still have not completed their own internal investigation either.

As far as this driver de-escalating the situation...The driver is the one who pulled the bus over, got out of her seat and confronted the girl who was doing nothing but talking on her cell phone according to student reports and what is visible on the video. If the driver was concerned over the girl's talking, that would have been more of a school administrator's discipline issue for the next school morning. A write up would have sufficed.

The driver initially reported the girl gave a false name, and that was why she pulled the bus over yet the driver called her by name indicating she knew this student. I don't buy the false name stuff. The whole issue is over the girl's talking which was no louder or no more disruptive than any others as she could not be heard over the other children who were also talking loudly.

The driver then goes on to initiate confrontation by asking the girl why she was even on the bus and suggesting she find another way to and from school. Again, an administrator could have handled this according to the school's transportation policy.

The driver, whose bus and its passengers were in NO harm prior to this incident, endangered those kids moreso than this girl by pulling over to begin with. Obviously she did so unsafely as one of the kids on the bus can be heard warning her "there are a lot of cars behind you." Unless there were emergency circumstances demanding an immediate stop, the driver should have pulled over into an area where traffic was not an issue, particularly since those kids exited the bus via an emergency door onto the roadway.

Yes, the girl should have sat down and shut up. Yes, she was obnoxious and whiny. Yes, she was even vulgar. But, she was NOT physical. The driver originally instigated and even further antagonized the situation further by slapping the cell phone out of the girl's hand. That, according to Sgt. Marrino, is where the situation began to get out of control physically and where the driver crossed the line into the area of assault. I believe the police officers have a better vantage point from which to conclude their investigation and to suggest the driver be charged with assault as well. They have witnesses who saw things first hand; things we could not see on the tape. The PD and DA's office would know whether or not criminal charges were warranted, and against whom, better than you or I.

The driver could have handled this situation in an entirely different and safer manner than she did. At no time prior to the confrontation did the student appear to be posing a threat to or endangering the driver or the other students. The tape was rolling long before this incident and had there been evidence to indicate otherwise, it would have been shown by now.

150 posted on 02/27/2008 8:56:23 AM PST by PleaseNoMore
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