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Video shows Gilbert bus driver, student in physical fight
ABC15 ^ | 2/25/2008 | Nicole Beyer

Posted on 02/26/2008 2:19:42 PM PST by freedomwarrior998

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To: bvw

One of the things I think they need are shoulder radios. Drivers are having to turn their backs and go back to the front of the bus to call for hekp.

151 posted on 02/27/2008 9:01:40 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: hope

Zero tolerance is nonsense, respect is what they need to hammer.

152 posted on 02/27/2008 9:45:06 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: PleaseNoMore
The driver could have handled this situation in an entirely different and safer manner than she did. At no time prior to the confrontation did the student appear to be posing a threat to or endangering the driver or the other students


Agreed. The bus driver showed very poor judgment. Although I sympathize with those doing this nearly thankless job, pulling over and confronting the student was the wrong choice.

153 posted on 02/27/2008 10:12:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mom3boys

Hello! Glad to see a neighbor here...You enjoying this nice weather for a change? WEEDS everywhere!

154 posted on 02/27/2008 11:32:11 AM PST by hope (hope is the dope of the obamamaniacs)
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To: Robert DeLong

Zero tolerance gets taken to the extreme all too often....Yes, respect is needed and is reinforced on the campuses here. Of course the first place it needs to be taught is at home, so it’s not foreign to them when they get to school.

155 posted on 02/27/2008 12:36:03 PM PST by hope (hope is the dope of the obamamaniacs)
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156 posted on 02/27/2008 1:33:15 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: PleaseNoMore
The PD and DA's office would know whether or not criminal charges were warranted, and against whom, better than you or I.

Ideally one would pray -- and I meant pray -- that was the case.

Yet there is clearly can be problems with PD and DA's -- especially in cases where there are associations and connections with the culprits. These can be personal or professional, family, friends, or from involvement with prior cases.

The Duke Lacrosse Team Prosecution is a recent infamous case. There the prosecutor knew the family of the one girl from their contribution as witnesses/victims is prior crimes he had prosecuted. There also was surely, I suspect, general class-warfare political vendettas going on -- within the PD and DAs office.

Another case -- which should be more famous is a forcible date-rape/porno-filming gang rape incident in Mercer County NJ which occurred a few months ago. The alleged preps are State Troopers.

All local prosecutors -- city and county appear to be afraid to take the case. AFAIK it still has not been charged. the US Attorney in NJ has offered to take the case -- but it is a state crime, not a federal one. Sad.

Trust but verify. A good citizentry is a vigilant citizentry.

157 posted on 02/27/2008 3:54:58 PM PST by bvw
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To: CindyDawg

More info ... we hear from the Brat’s mother!


A mother releases her rage about a bus brawl that was all caught on tape.

A ride home for an Arizona high school student ended in a brawl between a girl and her bus driver on Feb. 15.

The bus driver said she was trying to keep a Williams Field High School student from getting off the bus where she wasn’t supposed to.

Their uncontrollable yelling quickly turned into a physical fight.

The mother said the bus driver started it all.

“I was shocked at the extreme violence of the bus driver. That she put her hands on my daughter that much,” the mom said.

Apparently, the bus driver radioed for help early on during the incident. However, the Higley Unified School District transportation office was struggling to figure out was happening.

Parents standing outside the bus saw the commotion but couldn’t put a stop to it because the bus driver would not open the door.

Some students jumped off the bus through one of the emergency exits.

The district suspended the rowdy teenager for 10 days and may kick her out of school.

Police want both of them charged with assault.

The mom said the bus driver is an adult and should have been more mature and prevented this from happening.

“I guess I’ll pick her up because there’s no way I’m putting her on another bus,” she said.

158 posted on 02/27/2008 6:33:24 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

Well that explains a lot of this doesn’t it? I don’t think mom has much to worry about. I doubt if any driver will now let her on the bus after this.

159 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:30 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

Extreme violence, oh yeah. Crazy world.

160 posted on 02/27/2008 7:04:52 PM PST by bvw
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To: Ramius

Good question about the boys.

161 posted on 02/27/2008 7:06:04 PM PST by bvw
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To: CindyDawg
More ... the girl speaks ...
Girl involved in bus brawl says actions were "immature"
Associated Press
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 02.27.2008

MESA — The high school student caught on videotape scuffling with a school bus driver said she's taking responsibility for her actions.

"I should have sat back down and sucked it up and acted more mature about it," Samantha Taylor,15, a student at Williams Field High School said Tuesday. "I was really immature." A surveillance camera inside the bus captured the Feb. 15 incident.

Taylor said Higley Unified School District administrators have recommended she be expelled for her actions. Gilbert police have recommended prosecutors file aggravated assault charges against her.

Taylor said it wouldn't be fair to face such extreme consequences because she did not touch the driver, 54-year-old Kim Sullivan.

"She knew the video was working," said Paula Bigler, the girl's mother. "And if you watch the video, she backs herself backward in the video and you can't see or hear her."

Taylor said the bus driver started the fight because she stopped the bus and told her she needed to find a different way to school because she was being too loud. Taylor said that's why she wanted to get off the bus. "I'm 5-foot-9 and I'm big, and she was pushing me," Taylor said. "I was kind of resisting, and she was pushing me really hard."

A Gilbert police report released Monday indicates that one of Taylor's earrings was pulled out in the scuffle. "I don't think it's right, the fact that she could be so aggressive and go after my daughter," Bigler said. "I don't agree with that."

Bigler said she wants the bus driver fired, but district officials said Tuesday they would stand by the driver's actions.

162 posted on 02/27/2008 7:12:08 PM PST by bvw
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To: PleaseNoMore
I do know that as a parent standing outside a school bus where such a fracas was occurring I would have been desperate to get my kids off of it, and likely upset at the driver for being in a fight with a student. My view of the situation would be highly colored by the concern for my own kids -- a fear that the driver was "insane" as one of the kids who called 911 said to the dispatcher.

And as is the case in all witness observation, one's emotions and preconceptions at the time of the incident prejudice and charge-up how the incident is remembered.

I do not take the words of the student who called 911 and used the words "gone insane" as a accurate or fair description of what he was seeing and experiencing . The student is part of the mob by that time -- the mob was almost feral by that point. The situation was crazy -- that is how the words "gone insane" might realistically be interpreted. The situation was so far beyond his normal expectations that they were "insane" to him.

Yet by his report to the 911 dispatcher that description applied to the driver may well have become part of the words flying at the scene - it might have prejudiced the police response on arrival at the scene and it certainly would prejudice the testimony of the parents at the scene if it was they heard it on the police radio, or from the police themselves upon arrival.

So the descriptions of parents at the event that were then given to the police could well be prejudicially biased against the driver.

163 posted on 02/27/2008 7:31:02 PM PST by bvw
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164 posted on 02/27/2008 9:07:40 PM PST by CindyDawg
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