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New light bulbs can poison you
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | February 26, 2008

Posted on 02/27/2008 3:17:06 AM PST by Man50D

WASHINGTON – Despite a congressional mandate banning the sale of common incandescent light bulbs by 2012, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is warning that their compact fluorescent replacements are not safe to use everywhere.

The EPA says breakage of the energy-saving, mercury-containing CFLs can cause health hazards, especially for children and pregnant women, suggesting use of the bulbs over carpeted areas should be avoided. If bulbs break over carpeted areas, the cleanup may require cutting out pieces of the carpet to avoid toxic exposures.

Mercury is needed for the lamps to produce light, and there are currently no known substitutes. Small amounts of the toxic substance is vaporized when they break, which can happen if people screw them in holding the glass instead of the base or just drop them.

Mercury is a naturally occurring metal that accumulates in the body and can harm the nervous system of a fetus or young child if ingested in sufficient quantity.

For the Maine study, researchers shattered 65 compact fluorescents to test air quality and cleanup methods. They found that, in many cases, immediately after the bulb was broken – and sometimes even after a cleanup was attempted – levels of mercury vapor exceeded federal guidelines for chronic exposure by as much as 100 times.

In a new Maine study, mercury vapor released by the bulbs exceeded even those higher levels.

The study recommended that when a compact fluorescent breaks, consumers should get children and pets out of the room and ventilate it. It warned vacuums should never be used to clean up a broken compact fluorescent lamps. Instead, it recommends using stiff paper and tape to pick up pieces.

Some states require broken compact fluorescent light bulbs to be disposed of as household hazardous waste. Others ban disposal of bulbs in trash.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming
This has nothing to do with the environment. It has everything to do with Socialists enacting more rules and regulations to control the masses in order to advance Socialism.
1 posted on 02/27/2008 3:17:10 AM PST by Man50D
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To: Man50D
levels of mercury vapor exceeded federal guidelines for chronic exposure by as much as 100 times. In a new Maine study, mercury vapor released by the bulbs exceeded even those higher levels.

So what?

First of all, cleaning up a broken light bulb is not "chronic exposure".

Second of all, the "federal guidelines" are absurd, concocted by leftist power-seeking regulators and based on no data.

2 posted on 02/27/2008 3:26:13 AM PST by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: Man50D
"...If bulbs break over carpeted areas, the cleanup may require cutting out pieces of the carpet to avoid toxic exposures."

This carpet belongs to someone who broke a helluvalotta bulbs.


3 posted on 02/27/2008 3:27:01 AM PST by diverteach (http://foolishpleasurestudio.com/eyewool/slap_hillary.html)
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To: Man50D
All these bulbs are manufactured in the socialist's paradise: China.

The dim bulbs can be found in the House and Senate.

4 posted on 02/27/2008 3:31:04 AM PST by fweingart (Obama-Clinton (A ticket that will change our lives forever!))
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To: Man50D; WL-law; Fiddlstix; Normandy; Genesis defender; proud_yank; enough_idiocy; ...
 


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5 posted on 02/27/2008 3:31:59 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Man50D

This is why the media DELIBERATELY omitted telling us about the bulbs being banned.


6 posted on 02/27/2008 3:32:41 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Man50D

Congress will never admit that it was wrong. It will never admit that it acted to please radical environmental socialist crazies.


7 posted on 02/27/2008 3:41:00 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Man50D

And they are ALL made in China because we have no manufacturing plants here, due to the mercury involved in the process. Also, in a new finding, light from these CFLs block the body from producing anti-cancer enzymes in the immune system and should never be left on all night.
This has all the marks of the environazis putting MBTE in gasoline to fight air pollution, only to find later that it was contaminating our water supply. These people have no clue as to what the results of these things are, and our spineless legislators mandate whatever the current hair-brained idea is.
Our children are the guinea pigs in all these crazy experiments.


8 posted on 02/27/2008 3:42:14 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Man50D

It also shows what our pols in Washington know about everything ! Nothing ! These blow hards think they know everything and know squat. I am so disgusted with them and when you think what these self- righteous morons are doing to our country, it is sad !


9 posted on 02/27/2008 3:42:57 AM PST by Pedrobud (Hillary is Satan !!)
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To: Man50D

I’m a little confused by this whole thing. I disposed of some of those long fluorescent bulbs (presumably they contain mercury also?) from my garage last year and the guy at the recycling center said to just toss them in with the ordinary waste. We have been using these fluorescent bulbs for decades now with no real worry about their safety including workplace environments. Is the reason we’re hearing so much now because they’ve moved indoors with the children or because the folks who don’t want to give up on incandescents are pushing back?


10 posted on 02/27/2008 3:48:36 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: kittymyrib
Or worse...be someone like me.

I have nocturnal epilepsy, kinda rare and weird. Two therapies are to leave a talk radio station playing and a light on in the bedroom. Fluorescents have a flicker to them and they can’t be used!

I’ve had this conversation both in person and online with the enviros, they don’t want to hear how bad these bulbs are for the environment. Well, they are bad for the environment...just like their knee-jerk response to cutting down trees to make paper bags! So we went to plastic...now they want those to go away too! Idiots. Just idiots who are some of the most unsustainable people around!

11 posted on 02/27/2008 3:49:52 AM PST by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: Man50D

LED will last longer, you can cycle an LED light on and off and it will not adversely affect it, with a CFB you actually decrease its life.

Buying into cheap goods from China reminds me of the story of Beowulf, he was seduced by beauty and fathered a monster,

We are going to pay as the sins of our past will come back to haunt us.

One day suddenly there will be no more goods from China, what would a weekly shopping trip be like when 3/4ths of the shelves at Walmart are now bare? no more vitamin C, very few childrens toys.


12 posted on 02/27/2008 3:58:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Eye of Unk

LEDs aren’t ready for prime time yet. I bought one for the house that runs on batteries and it gives off an unpleasant bluish light. Good for power outages but I wouldn’t want it in my house full time. I’ve been hoping they could get LEDs to market that are suitable for indoor lighting since they are true energy savers, 10% of the energy used in incandescents, but I guess I’m in for a little longer wait.


13 posted on 02/27/2008 4:17:43 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: Eye of Unk

“One day suddenly there will be no more goods from China, what would a weekly shopping trip be like when 3/4ths of the shelves at Walmart are now bare? no more vitamin C, very few childrens toys.”

in other words . . . “the good old days”


14 posted on 02/27/2008 4:20:12 AM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: Bluebird Singing

When the birds stop singing comes the storm. When the shelves at Walmart are empty, comes the Chinese war.


15 posted on 02/27/2008 4:27:54 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: saganite
I’ve been hoping they could get LEDs to market that are suitable for indoor lighting since they are true energy savers

I was listening to a local radio talk show host. He spoke with a caller who sells LED's. The salesman claimed LED's come in incandescent yellow light.
16 posted on 02/27/2008 4:32:52 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

I would love to see some of those. Lowes only carries the type I described and precious few of them.


17 posted on 02/27/2008 4:43:40 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: Man50D
If bulbs break over carpeted areas, the cleanup may require cutting out pieces of the carpet to avoid toxic exposures.

Nice!

Not to sya I told everyone so, but I predicted this very thing sevelra months ago on this board, that after Congress passed this stupid law requiring every on to sue these bulbs, someone would come along and scream about how the government just created an even bigger environmental problem, requiring billions more to fix it.

After 2012, my burned-out CFC bulbs will hit the trash and the environment will just have to deal with it.

18 posted on 02/27/2008 4:48:30 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

sue = use. Doh!


19 posted on 02/27/2008 4:49:59 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Man50D
This has nothing to do with the environment. It has everything to do with Socialists enacting more rules and regulations to control the masses in order to advance Socialism.

I went to stock up on regular light bulbs the other day - already the warehouse stores are starting not to stock them.

20 posted on 02/27/2008 4:55:04 AM PST by murphE (I refuse to choose evil, even if it is the lesser of two.)
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To: saganite
My son bought me a small LED flashlight to carry in my jacket deer hunting because the batteries last much longer.

I used it tracking a deer I shot right at dusk and I hated that funny blue light it gives off. I went back to the house and got a Coleman lantern to finish tracking it.

21 posted on 02/27/2008 5:04:26 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: EBH

Stock up on regular bulbs - big time!


22 posted on 02/27/2008 5:07:27 AM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001
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To: saganite
Lots of different LED color temps available. White light is as actually made from a blue LED, and for lighting applications, not battery powered, there's daylight, and warm white color temps.

What you got was a cheapo LED. So don't judge the technology from that one little example.

23 posted on 02/27/2008 5:20:29 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001
You have got that right. Perhaps my HealthCare provider will be able to prescribe incandescents! /sarcasm
24 posted on 02/27/2008 5:22:25 AM PST by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: saganite
For right now, you won't find the better quality, high brightness LED's at Lowes. The well built, in a good temperature range, will not be cheap.

Look for prices to start coming down as more and more suppliers and mfg's come one line to fill the gap from the Edison ban.

25 posted on 02/27/2008 5:29:59 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

I’ve been looking for those LEDs in natural light but haven’t seen them yet. The reason I check Lowes is that I believe they will be hitting the mass market and will be viable when I find them there. Otherwise, they’re just a curiosity item. I would tolerate a higher price for them because of the energy savings and long life but I won’t buy them just for bragging rights. Here’s hoping they hit the mass market soon and put the fluorescents out of business.


26 posted on 02/27/2008 5:35:53 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: Beagle8U

Pretty much all my flashlights are LEDs now. I tolerate the blue light in exchange for the enormously increased battery life. I hate having a flashlight battery die on me when I need it most.

I saw a flashlight for caps for hunters the other day. Small and lightweight, they attach to your cap and are good enough to light the trail. Two folks out on a coon hunt were using them and swore by them.


27 posted on 02/27/2008 5:41:18 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: saganite
I didn’t like the blue light for following a blood trail. It might be ok for just walking but not for reading sign.
28 posted on 02/27/2008 5:52:27 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Hmm, hadn’t thought of that nor do I have any experience using it for that. Good point.


29 posted on 02/27/2008 6:01:54 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: saganite
Reading sign is rather like reading a very fine print book.

Try that tonight in a dark room with your LED flashlight...lol.( PS...Put the book on the floor while you read it)

30 posted on 02/27/2008 6:43:13 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Man50D

now at Walmart: 4-100 watt bulbs for $1.03 !


31 posted on 02/27/2008 6:47:25 AM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Man50D

World NUT Daily strikes again.


32 posted on 02/27/2008 6:49:59 AM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: saganite
Some links for you.

http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx

http://www.besthomeledlighting.com/led_light_bulbs

http://www.ledwaves.com/

http://www.environmentallights.com/categories/1003/led-light-bulbs-fixtures

http://www.led-professional.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,29/

33 posted on 02/27/2008 9:01:28 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Man50D
Yup.. Sure as heck do not use those bulbs here. I dont plan on using them either. I have a large stash of NORMAL bulbs.


34 posted on 02/27/2008 9:04:56 AM PST by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: saganite
Drop in replacement lamps for Mag-Lite's: AA and C/D cells.


35 posted on 02/27/2008 9:09:21 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: saganite
Opps. Try again

Drop in replacement lamps for Mag-Lite's: AA and C/D cells.

http://batteryjunction.com/creestore.html

36 posted on 02/27/2008 9:10:37 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

I am a sales manager for an electrical supply house. I have seen all the latest and greatest LEDs my vendors have produced. For specific needs, like a jolting or vibrating machine, they are great. But they are not yet ready for effective in-home use.


37 posted on 02/27/2008 9:19:41 AM PST by shempy
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Who are your vendors?

For example, this one seems pretty bright for a single unit.

Z-Power P7 Series - World’s Highest Brightness of 900 lm at 10-watt

Or

Powerful Little Light: LED With 1,000 Lumens

38 posted on 02/27/2008 9:27:13 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
Yes, and where exactly do you do to buy these two products? Seriously, the Ostar LED was supposed to hit the market last July, but try and find one.

The ones that are available are running in the neighborhood of $1 per incandescent watt equivalent. I don't see consumers spending $60 for a 60 watt equivalent lamp. Like I said, they are not viable - YET. They will be, but not today or next week, or likely even next year.

39 posted on 02/27/2008 9:48:41 AM PST by shempy
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To: shempy
Well, not today, nor next week, but don't discount next year. I've seen prices drop and output increase in the relatively short time that I've been keeping track.

And while $60 is steep for a light bulb to be sure, there is an offset in long life ~50,000 hours+, low heat, and say 10~12 watts of energy for the equivalent of a 60 watt Edison. As production lines (existing and competitor) gear up, and more people look into them, prices will drop.

And I have seen the OStar, or Luxeon lights (at least in component form) starting to show up on more and more supply catalogs. One particular link I can't for the life of me, find right now, but it surprised me. So I imagine lighting manufacturers (not LED mfg/suppliers) are gearing up products for release.

I'm thinking of replacing all my under cabinet halogens with those. 12V and with the star aluminum backing, should fit into the hockey puck casing no problem.

But then again some of the newer linear LED under cabinet lights are looking better.

I have some CFL's, but I consider LEDs to be the lighting of the future. I'll keep watching the technology.

40 posted on 02/27/2008 3:24:34 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
I understand and appreciate the long life and energy savings we can get from LEDs. And I also agree that LEDs are likely to be our lighting of the future.

But I am skeptical that they will be a meaningful segment of the consumer market in the next year. People want the lighting in their homes to fill the rooms. LEDs give off light like a rifle fires a slug, whereas the old incandescents and the CFLs give off light more like a sawed off shotgun.

But don't get me wrong, I dig LEDs! They are wicked cool. They will evolve and become widely used for most every lighting application eventually.

Now, compact fluorescents, on the other hand, I am really tiring of those. They have gotten way way better than they were even 5 years ago, but I still prefer the light quality of incandescents. I wish the government would just stay the hell out of it. CFLs are the lighting equivalent of the low flow toilets that our government has forced upon us.

41 posted on 02/27/2008 4:14:21 PM PST by shempy
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To: Man50D

http://www.energy-daily.com/reports/Lowest_Income_Families_Faced_Hardest_Energy_Burden_In_Ohio_999.html

Almost 350,000 Ohio families had annual incomes of less than $10,000, and although they spent the least dollars on energy, their burden was more than 47% of their after-tax incomes.


It’s not easy making sense of things anymore. How can anybody spend $5000 on energy when they have only $10,000 to start with?


42 posted on 02/27/2008 4:18:54 PM PST by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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