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Lawmakers Eye Regulating Well Users (NC Government intrusion alert!
WRAL.com ^

Posted on 02/27/2008 3:20:52 AM PST by RangerM

Raleigh, N.C. — State lawmakers are considering a proposal that would require homeowners and businesses that use private wells to report on how much water they consume.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: government; intrusion; regulation
More government intrusion on our private lives. Maybe we'll start voting out these dems in NC government.
1 posted on 02/27/2008 3:20:54 AM PST by RangerM
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To: RangerM
What part of private don't they understand ?
Oh wait, they're Democrats. Never mind.
2 posted on 02/27/2008 3:36:32 AM PST by ComputerGuy (I will not sit this election out, but if I have to vote for McCain I'm going to show up sh!tfaced)
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To: ComputerGuy
Their only "talking" about differing proposals right now. I'm curious if they'd try to make me spend my $$ installing some sort of water meter.

Here's a quote in that article:

But Georgiann Fonte, who gets her water through Raleigh's municipal system and has had to curb her gardening because of tight water restrictions, said regulating well users is a matter of fairness.

"All of us have to conserve. If we don't, we may not have drinking water or bathing water," Fonte said. "I would think they'd want to conserve just for the fact they won't want their wells to run dry."


I can only shake my head. Whose well is it anyway?
3 posted on 02/27/2008 3:48:18 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: RangerM
Here in a town in CT they made everyone cap their wells and use municipal water. Cost big bucks.

How is one wasting water by pumping it from one hole into the ground (well) to another hole in the ground (septic system)?

4 posted on 02/27/2008 3:58:37 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
Here in a town in CT they made everyone cap their wells and use municipal water. Cost big bucks.

Thankfully, things are just too spread out in NC for that to even be a possibility. I moved out of Cary to get away from government, as much as to get a bigger house. If they actually try to start such a program, I can't believe it wouldn't flip the balance of power in the NC Gov't to the Republicans. Too many "old Democrats" would never put up with it.
5 posted on 02/27/2008 4:15:38 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: RangerM

Ha!
Too Late!
They’ve already done that here in Colorado.
They stopped farmers from using their own wells for a significant period, within the past few years.


6 posted on 02/27/2008 4:18:08 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: raybbr
How is one wasting water by pumping it from one hole into the ground (well) to another hole in the ground (septic system)?

Life long city dwellers. To them, water is piped into their homes clean and pure (OK, it's cloudy, smells a bit off and has been intentionally contaminated with chlorine and fluorine, but to them it's pure.) used once and returns even more contaminated than it came. They neither see nor understand that there is a natural recycling of water going on all the time, forever.

7 posted on 02/27/2008 4:18:44 AM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: G Larry

Fortunately they have NOT done that here....yet.

Too bad about Colorado. Watering crops with treated water doesn’t work as well.

These fools don’t realize that our municipal water (Raleigh, NC) mostly comes from rain, not wells.


8 posted on 02/27/2008 4:27:53 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: magslinger

I never realized just how much chlorine was there until I moved to my new house a little over a year ago.

Now I can smell it when I use water from a municipal source.


9 posted on 02/27/2008 4:29:16 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: RangerM

Statists never let facts get in the way of imposing their will.


10 posted on 02/27/2008 4:30:57 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: RangerM

I used to spend summers in a couple of places that had the best well water. Around here, though, it’s a different story. City water is treated and actually tastes better than the well water. Local well water is very hard and you get your RDA of iron with every glass.


11 posted on 02/27/2008 4:44:17 AM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: G Larry
Statists never let facts get in the way of imposing their will.

We live in Union County, NC. If I am to believe the low grade morons that run this county, the sewer system is at capacity, and water is almost gone. So.. what is the answer? Keep approving more and more housing development.

12 posted on 02/27/2008 4:51:51 AM PST by dearolddad (Opinions are like rectums: everybody has one.)
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To: magslinger

I work for an engineering/consulting company. We have some fairly extensive analytical (in-house) capabilities. The lab analyzed my water and measured it as pure as the water that comes out of our lab’s purification system. I hope it stays that way. So far, after about 1.5 years, I still have no hazing of my (glass) coffee pot.

The only thing I’ve noticed is that clothes don’t come out of the laundry as clean and bright without additional cycle time (or non-chlorine bleach). I don’t know if I should attribute that to the lack of chlorination or the (different) washer.


13 posted on 02/27/2008 5:22:59 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: RangerM
The only thing I’ve noticed is that clothes don’t come out of the laundry as clean and bright without additional cycle time (or non-chlorine bleach). I don’t know if I should attribute that to the lack of chlorination or the (different) washer.

Is your water hard or soft. We have water that has a hardness of 3 on a scale of 0 to 200. It's the softest water I have ever encountered. We have to use very little soap or the suds will take forever to rinse.

14 posted on 02/27/2008 5:48:57 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: RangerM

How long before they start metering (and taxing) the air that you breathe, too?


15 posted on 02/27/2008 5:51:32 AM PST by Zeppo (Every mighty mild... seventies child... Beats me (Metric - Combat Baby))
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To: RangerM

*chuckle* I’m not in NC - happy to say! We had our well drilled in 1998 (the driller said it almost broke his rig) and it has been spewing 3 to 4.5 gallons a MINUTE ever since. If we capped it, the pressure would build until it blew the casing out of the hole.

Love those artesian wells...

Peet


16 posted on 02/27/2008 5:53:45 AM PST by Peet (Insert clever phrase here.)
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To: RangerM

We have a new 210 foot well associated with the new house we built 5 years ago. Very hard water here in Missouri but plenty of it. There was a shallow well on the property and our well driller filled it with stone and capped it, in accordance with Missouri regulations.


17 posted on 02/27/2008 5:54:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: RangerM

Is that well water or city?


18 posted on 02/27/2008 5:55:17 AM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: RangerM

Got tar and feathers?


19 posted on 02/27/2008 5:55:34 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: RangerM

I would tend to blame the washer, especially if it is a newer “water saving” machine.


20 posted on 02/27/2008 5:59:45 AM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: magslinger; RangerM

I would try smaller loads, see if that helped any.


21 posted on 02/27/2008 6:03:37 AM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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I would tend to blame the washer, especially if it is a newer “water saving” machine.

Au contraire mon bon homme. We got one of those and the clothes come out cleaner with far less soap and water. Plus the spin cycle is so high that the clothes are virtually dry when done.

22 posted on 02/27/2008 6:12:51 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

What is the brand ? We may need a new w&d in a year...


23 posted on 02/27/2008 6:48:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We bought a Sears Kenmore. They are made by Frigidaire. We’ve had it for almost three years. It’s awesome. It takes a little getting used to being able to wash huge loads of clothes with very little soap.


24 posted on 02/27/2008 6:50:52 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr; stevio

I’m not sure what you would call it.

I had our analyst run my well water through the lab and there were no (detectable) levels of sodium, potassium, calcium, or iron. He did detect a tiny amount of zinc.

There were no organics detectable.


25 posted on 02/27/2008 6:55:20 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; magslinger; raybbr

The new washer is a GE Profile, as was the old one. (both top load). Always bought GE because I’ve never been disappointed with their appliances.

BUT, the new one was only bought in late 2006, and I do think it is an “Energy Saver”, whatever that means. (Shorter cycle? Slower agitator?)

The new one is a “super capacity”. The old one wasn’t.

Can’t comment on a previous post regarding spin speed, but I can say that the clothes “feel dryer” when I move them from the washer, and the dryer doesn’t have to dry as long now.


26 posted on 02/27/2008 7:03:27 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: RangerM
I had our analyst run my well water through the lab and there were no (detectable) levels of sodium, potassium, calcium, or iron. He did detect a tiny amount of zinc.

Ask them if they can check hardness. Go here for a brief explanation.

Here is a chart of water hardness:


27 posted on 02/27/2008 7:06:09 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

I also meant to say (in my post above) that the water doesn’t have that ‘slimy’ feel, that overly soft water can have.


28 posted on 02/27/2008 7:07:35 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: RangerM

The front load washer spin about 1000 rpm. The top loaders about 600 - 700 rpm if I remember correctly from the research I did years ago.


29 posted on 02/27/2008 7:09:21 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

I’ll ask the analyst but, based on the fact that he didn’t detect calcium, according to the USGS link the water would have to be considered ‘soft’.


30 posted on 02/27/2008 7:10:52 AM PST by RangerM (Clear the rain forest. We've got to make ethanol.)
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To: RangerM

So they will put meters on the wells. Then they will want some fee for the meters. Later, the state will decide they should tax the water usage just like if you bought it from the utility.

I wonder if they will want to meter cisterns?


31 posted on 02/27/2008 7:53:44 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Ethanol plants in MN, IA, MO, etc are sucking enormous quantities of well water to make motor fuel. Looks like its first come, first served for this resource...


32 posted on 02/27/2008 8:35:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I wish the government would make up their mind about ethanol. First they say they don’t want you making it, and come bust up your still, then they subsidize it.


33 posted on 02/27/2008 8:41:03 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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