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Rove: Don't "Hussein" Obama
The Atlantic ^ | 2/27/08 | Marc Ambinder

Posted on 02/27/2008 6:35:46 AM PST by pissant

No less an authority figure than Karl Rove has warned Republican operatives from demagoguing Barack Obama's middle name.

At a closed door meeting of GOP state executive directors in late January, Rove said the safest way to refer to Obama would be to use his honorific, "Sen. Obama."

"The context was, you're not going to stimatize this guy. You shouldn't underestimate him," one of the executive directors said. Rove said that the use of "Barack Hussein Obama" would perpetuate the notion that Republicans were bigoted and would hurt the party.

Rove also said that Republicans should refer to Hillary Clinton as "Sen. Clinton," rather than "Hillary."

Right wing figures are set to ignore Rove's advice. Rush Limbaugh used Obama's middle name more than a year ago, and Ann Coulter regularly uses the middle name, once calling him "President Hussein." So does Michael Savage, who once asked whether Obama was a "so-called friendly Muslim" or one more "radical."

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KEYWORDS: barackhusseinobama; billcunningham; husseinobama; karlrove; larrysinclairsboy; obama; rove
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Well, Barrack Hussein Sinclair Obama just needs to be treated with respect, like all communists should be.
1 posted on 02/27/2008 6:35:53 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

This is how Rove lost us the Republican majority. He is really out of touch.


2 posted on 02/27/2008 6:40:06 AM PST by BeckB
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To: pissant

Foolish, There is absolutely no reason to surrender the use of terms to the Dhimmicrats, not only does that put Republicans in a weakened place in the debate, but we will have no reciprocity from the Dhimmicrats.

They are raising 20 million in Soros money to attack the Iraq War, perhaps we could write letters encouraging the Dhimmis not to do so?

DC is not inhabited by men.


3 posted on 02/27/2008 6:40:59 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: pissant

And like a wanabe POTUS with personal muzzy ties during a WAR AGAINST ISLAMISTS(oh MSM want to make us forget it)


4 posted on 02/27/2008 6:41:28 AM PST by Ulysse (freedom is not free)
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To: pissant

Gee, Karl...

Shouldn’t you be chastising the liberal, communist, marxist, progressive party and liberal media in general for “Mister Bush”?

STFU...


5 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:19 AM PST by dba.adabas
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To: BeckB

This is how Rove lost us the Republican majority. He is really out of touch.
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Rove is not out of touch. He may not be the best policy advisor, but he knows how to win elections. The proof is in the results.

The fact that we lost the 06 mid terms should not be held against Rove. Republican and Democratic presidents alike have fared miserably at the midterms.


6 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:20 AM PST by Tulane
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To: pissant

Sure don’t want anyone thinking republicans are bigoted...democrats are the only one’s that do that.


7 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:34 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: pissant

i agree with rove here. we will gain nothing by emphasizing his name. we need to attack his politics, which are radical enough, and leave his name out of it. it is superficial and will only make us look bad.


8 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:35 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: pissant
Hussein, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

I'm sick and tired of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA being immune from his records being checked, his private life picked apart to see if he has any dirty little secrets, from criticism of his political record (such as it is) and NOW even from punditry.

With respect, in this case Mr. Rove can go soak his head.

9 posted on 02/27/2008 6:42:59 AM PST by cake_crumb (Don't vote Romney in your primary unless you WANT his delegates to go to McCain.)
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To: pissant

If the Mullah’s could rent
A U.S president
Hussein,

If Ya want a stuffed suit
with Harvard roots
Hussein

They don’t like
They don’t like
They don’t like

Hussein


10 posted on 02/27/2008 6:43:25 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: pissant

Can’t we call him Osama, then. It’s just a minor Typso!

As the commentator “Spengler” mentioned in a recent column, radical Islam wasn’t the major issue in Obama’s formative years; Marxism was.


11 posted on 02/27/2008 6:43:43 AM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: pissant
Rove, you magnificent bastard!
12 posted on 02/27/2008 6:43:46 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: pissant
How would the media report it if John McCain’s middle name was “Adolf” or “Hitler”? His name would appear in its entirety every time, that's how.
13 posted on 02/27/2008 6:44:41 AM PST by Living Free in NH
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To: pissant

You know, having been on the other end of the media and the Democrats constantly refering to George Felix Allen, I gotta say I think Rove’s got this one wrong.


14 posted on 02/27/2008 6:44:48 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (New and Improved! Now with 4 less lbs.)
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To: pissant

Until yesterday I was pretty confident that McCain stood a good chance of winning. But if he’s going to go out of his way to attack conservatives that say what he obviously cannot say . . . he’s off track. WE need to point out the obvious . . . B. Hussein is not someone that we should be comfortable with as President. His wife is not proud of the country, his church give awards to Louis Farakhan, his mother married two muslims and had her child raised in Islam, and B. Hussein gravitated to the hard left in his career with employment at Alinsky organizations. He’s a danger. We need to say it . . .


15 posted on 02/27/2008 6:45:26 AM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: Tulane

Without the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Kerry would probably be President today. Rove is a legend in his own mind. Bush entered office with a Rep controlled Congress. He is leaving with a Dem controlled Congress and a GOP in disarray thanks to appointing folks like Martinez as RNC chairman and trying to push amnesty down our throats. Karl Rove has been a disaster for the GOP and conservatives in particular.


16 posted on 02/27/2008 6:46:07 AM PST by kabar
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To: pissant

If Rove likes the Sen. title then fine. Sen. Hussein works for me. Forget about dropping the middle name. It is his legal name just like Senator is his formal title. Rove can do what he likes, but he needs to chill and stop bossing the rest of us around.


17 posted on 02/27/2008 6:46:12 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: pissant

Rove can take a long walk off a short pier ...


18 posted on 02/27/2008 6:46:32 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: pissant

Karl has no problem cozying up to islamic terrorists. It's all about winning the White House.

19 posted on 02/27/2008 6:46:37 AM PST by TADSLOS ( McCain-Feingold: "Good for thee but not for me"- John McCain)
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To: MrEdd

awesome. i was listening to mr clapton just this morning.


20 posted on 02/27/2008 6:47:38 AM PST by wiggen
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To: pissant
I just think that it makes us look cheesy, just as the "Obama is a Muslim" makes us look like stereotypical backwoods paranoids.

Just because Obama's father had been a Muslim in his youth (and a heretic as an adult) does NOT make him a follower of the ROP. He is as Muslim as I am Catholic. In other words, not at all.

There are ALOT of issues to hit Obama on, including the racist CHURCH he belongs to. The "Barack is a Muslim" BS is a waste of time and energy.

21 posted on 02/27/2008 6:48:09 AM PST by Clemenza (I live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Wrecks)
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To: Tulane

Rove is good at what he does if you call dishonest good. He is crafty.


22 posted on 02/27/2008 6:48:19 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: pissant

Call her Senator Clinton? Not Hillary? Not b****? Not Sow of Satan? Oh yeah. Terms of endearment. That’ll win elections. /s

Meanwhile. On the Dem side, B. HUSSEIN Obama says he’s embarrassed to find he’s a distant relative of Dick Cheney. And if a question from the audience includes a profane word against the President, don’t expect Hillary to object.


23 posted on 02/27/2008 6:49:03 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Six more days of Clinton II.)
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To: Ulysse

These times are WAY too dangerous for us to gloss over the fact that another muzzie symp has designs on the WH.


24 posted on 02/27/2008 6:49:09 AM PST by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: pissant

STFU ROVEY!


25 posted on 02/27/2008 6:49:33 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Greg F

So Rove is attacking conservatives?
Conservative = Demagogue?
That’s what that Democrats say.


26 posted on 02/27/2008 6:50:10 AM PST by BunkDetector
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To: pissant

Yeah Rove is just ticked off about everyone calling his boss Jorge Arbusto...


27 posted on 02/27/2008 6:50:31 AM PST by rolling_stone (same)
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To: kabar

Without the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Kerry would probably be President today.
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Yes. I wonder whose idea that was....hmmm.....surely nobody within the Bush administration thought of that....


28 posted on 02/27/2008 6:51:48 AM PST by Tulane
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To: Clemenza

It doesn’t make anyone look cheesy. It’s funny, that’s all. We didn’t give him the name. Blame his parents. If he is left having to explain the Muslim history of his family then oh well. People are curious about it so this is his opportunity to explain. While he is at it, explain why he is ashamed of the name.


29 posted on 02/27/2008 6:53:35 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: dba.adabas
Gee, Karl...STFU...

When your presidential campaign advisory resume matches that of Mr. Rove, perhaps we will take your comments a bit more seriously than an asinine noob.

30 posted on 02/27/2008 6:54:11 AM PST by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: cake_crumb

I call Shenanigans, this is the same warm pee republicans who have played nice while our troops have been run down, our values slaughtered, our babies murdered and children’s minds poisoned in public schools. The left has always used every dirty trick because they work! They know how to take a seed of doubt and grow a bumper crop. He needs pack it in and retire to a Thai village were limp wristed hand wringers are more welcome.This kinda crap gave the dhimmicrats Nutty James Webb while we lost a great presidential candidate George Allen. And now McCain wants to play nice with the Enlightended one. Karl Rove can kiss my A$$.


31 posted on 02/27/2008 6:54:23 AM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: pissant

Attacking Obama’s name is infantile and just plain stupid. I can’t believe that any conservative does this seriously. I guess as a joke its ok, but c’mon, its pitiful to think its good policy. Its an embarassment to the serious conservative movement.


32 posted on 02/27/2008 6:55:03 AM PST by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: Tulane

No one in the Bush administration thought of that. It was Jerome Corsi (not a Bush fan by any means) and John O’Neill - a democrat. Bush and McCain both denounced it.


33 posted on 02/27/2008 6:55:15 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

I totally agree. When she called him “barack” last night it appeared peevish. Mr. Obama is bad enough...Senator Barrack Hussein Obama is totally accurate but to just say Hussein.......hmmmmmmmmmm course the Democrats did call George W. Bush “W” but the Republicans turned it around on them........ha ha ha........that was something...........


34 posted on 02/27/2008 6:55:30 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: wiggen
awesome. i was listening to mr clapton just this morning.

According to Rove, that should be Sen. Clapton. Thank you very much.

35 posted on 02/27/2008 6:55:59 AM PST by SlayerOfBunnies (An Indian friend of mine wishes to remind everyone... Indians <> muslims)
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To: pissant

I do agree that continuing to make a huge deal about Obama’s middle name makes us come across as juvenile.


36 posted on 02/27/2008 6:56:17 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: pissant
Rove is brilliant. It gets the story out about his Muslim past, yet Republicans can run on higher ground.
37 posted on 02/27/2008 6:56:30 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: Clemenza

No one is saying he IS a muslim. Just a marxist who is supported by terrorists and radical muslims.


38 posted on 02/27/2008 6:56:31 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Greg F

“His wife is not proud of the country, his church gives awards to Louis Farakhan, his mother married two muslims...”

We can no longer mention his wife, his church, or his mother.

Did you get the memo? sarc


39 posted on 02/27/2008 6:56:45 AM PST by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: TADSLOS

40 posted on 02/27/2008 6:56:47 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: philsfan24
How about Black Muslim Obama?
41 posted on 02/27/2008 6:56:49 AM PST by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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To: pissant

I think Rove is right. Using his middle name, although not really “unfair”, will give the perception that we are trying to exploit this - and it won’t change any minds.

It will also give the message that we cannot defeat his ideas (or lack of ideas) - which we can!!!


42 posted on 02/27/2008 6:57:13 AM PST by Tigercap (McCain. For Supreme Court judge nominations and WOT progress if nothing else.)
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To: pissant

Wow.

So using an actual photo of him in Muslim garb is out of bounds, and so is referring to his actual middle name.

Got it.


43 posted on 02/27/2008 6:57:17 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Tulane
Without the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Kerry would probably be President today. ________________ Yes. I wonder whose idea that was....hmmm.....surely nobody within the Bush administration thought of that....

Are you trying to give Rove credit for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth? Because I have to say, that's nervy if that's what you are doing. The Swifties were effective precisely because they were genuine and people believed them. To say they were a plot by Rove is to discredit their honesty.

44 posted on 02/27/2008 6:57:51 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Clemenza

The penalty for converting away from Islam is death. Period. There’s no middle ground. Obama’s as Christian as I am Muslim.


45 posted on 02/27/2008 6:57:56 AM PST by cake_crumb (Don't vote Romney in your primary unless you WANT his delegates to go to McCain.)
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To: Constitution Day

And don’t call him a liberal either. Or bring up Larry Sinclair. Screw this nonsense. He needs to be exposed at every level.


46 posted on 02/27/2008 6:58:58 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: stuartcr

Who is he to tell me what to do?


47 posted on 02/27/2008 6:59:22 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: cake_crumb
The penalty for converting away from Islam is death.

My close friend Mo(hammed) from Guyana (now in Toronto, however) is awaiting his death sentence. Despite his name he is an anti-Muslim atheist.

48 posted on 02/27/2008 6:59:55 AM PST by Clemenza (I live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Wrecks)
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To: philsfan24
i agree with rove here. we will gain nothing by emphasizing his name. we need to attack his politics, which are radical enough, and leave his name out of it. it is superficial and will only make us look bad.

You are right but it will be done by the far right wackos of the Repub party. Gonna bite the Repubs in the fall.

49 posted on 02/27/2008 7:00:24 AM PST by Intimidator (It's not unilateral - just try saying you're a Progressive Democrat in your typical Evangelical chur)
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To: pissant
Drinking Coffee My bet is that Americans don't like hearing someone being disrespectful of any other American and especially don't want to hear quasi-leaders of their party acting and talking like twelve year olds. Grown people will make decisions on the issue. To think Karl Rove is out of touch is a bit laughable.

Just reading this thread reminds me of 'slam' books in junior high 40 years ago. They were as foolish then as now.
50 posted on 02/27/2008 7:00:24 AM PST by HawaiianGecko
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