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Taking a swing at aluminum bats (IL may ban them for youth)
St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | Feb. 27, 2008 | Kevin McDermott

Posted on 02/27/2008 10:46:07 AM PST by kc8ukw

It's been three decades now since the ping of aluminum started drowning out the crack of a wooden bat on youth baseball fields across America.

But that older sound of summer is making a comeback on some grassy diamonds these days — not for nostalgia, but safety. Some Illinois lawmakers, in fact, want to ban metal bats from youth baseball.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aluminum; baseball; bat; controlwatch; illinois
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Another example of government officials with no clear philosophy about the proper role of government? Ye in Illinois should email your state Congressmen and remind them that there are some things that government just ought not involve itself in.

The article also mentions that some youth organizations have voluntarily decided to ban them - not a problem.

1 posted on 02/27/2008 10:46:12 AM PST by kc8ukw
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To: kc8ukw

Aluminum bats are easier to swing for kids. If they want to go to wood, they’ll have to use exotic woods, making the bats very expensive, or use smaller bats, making it harder to hit the ball.

Idiots the lot of them.


2 posted on 02/27/2008 10:48:36 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: kc8ukw

Illinois - YOU CAN’T HAVE FUN IN OUR STATE!!


3 posted on 02/27/2008 10:49:03 AM PST by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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To: kc8ukw

Much as I despise aluminum bats, the government has no business here..................


4 posted on 02/27/2008 10:49:43 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: kc8ukw

Talk about legislators who would rather generate headlines than deal with real problems.

Case in point: Steroids in baseball. Instead of these dog-and-pony Capitol Hill show trials, why not just tell MLB to deal with the problem or lose their antitrust exemption?

I think the drug problem would be solved tout de suite!


5 posted on 02/27/2008 10:51:47 AM PST by sinanju
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To: kc8ukw
As a longtime fan of the game, I've always hated aluminum bats. Thankfully, they didn't have aluminum when I was a kid and was playing baseball. LOL!

On the other hand, banning them is not the government's job.

6 posted on 02/27/2008 10:52:36 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (In November, we're going to be able to elect politicians who say they can change the weather. YAY!)
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To: the lastbestlady

My son sure didn’t have any fun the summer he was hit in the by a baseball. Half an inch lower, it would have taken out his eye. He’s got a titanium plate in his forehead now.

Just saying.


7 posted on 02/27/2008 10:53:13 AM PST by Island Girl
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To: kc8ukw

I think they should ban aluminum bats, and ugly girls.


8 posted on 02/27/2008 10:53:19 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: wastedyears
Aluminum bats are easier to swing for kids. If they want to go to wood, they’ll have to use exotic woods, making the bats very expensive, or use smaller bats, making it harder to hit the ball.

Are you suggesting that kids were unable to play baseball before aluminum bats came along?

9 posted on 02/27/2008 10:54:50 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Island Girl
My son sure didn’t have any fun the summer he was hit in the by a baseball. Half an inch lower, it would have taken out his eye. He’s got a titanium plate in his forehead now.

Sorry to hear about your son's accident. I hope he's doing OK now.

...but the injury would have been the same whether an aluminum or a wooden bat was used.

10 posted on 02/27/2008 10:55:05 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: Island Girl

People often don’t realize that aluminum bats are very different than they used to be. The way they are engineered has the ball coming off at such a rapid speed that pitchers cannot react fast enough to defend themselves. This is particularly true in the younger ages.

The better solution, however, is for the league to provide all bats and use only the lower tech bats.


11 posted on 02/27/2008 10:56:52 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Red Badger

Much as I despise aluminum bats, the government has no business here..................

Agree completely on both counts. My son nearly killed me ~10 days ago. I didn’t get behind that ‘L’ shaped pitcher net fast enough and barely got my glove hand up in time to prevent what would have been an ugly head shot. Pointer finger on my left hand is MUCH better,,,, and still it hurts to type those ‘FFF’s.


12 posted on 02/27/2008 10:57:38 AM PST by mad puppy (Never have I felt so politically radical and I swear I didn't move an inch.)
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To: kc8ukw

Alternative suggestion: Ban baseballs and go all-Nerf.


13 posted on 02/27/2008 10:57:43 AM PST by Hazwaste (Vote! Vote for the conservative local, state, and national candidates of your choice, but VOTE!)
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To: r9etb

No, but I was referring to toddlers mostly.


14 posted on 02/27/2008 10:59:47 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: TChris

Yep, I’ve seen orbital fractures occur with balls hit with wooden bats too. Wearing the wrap-around sports frame glasses can help protect against some of these injuries, plus they reduce glare, improve contrast, and look cool too.


15 posted on 02/27/2008 11:00:28 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Red Badger

I agree that the government should stay out of it, however there has been such a strong and antagonistic pro-aluminum coalition (supported by EASTON, etc.) that most youth leagues can’t effectively resist, much less change back to wood.

I fought the bat battle 10 years ago along with the NCAA, and you’d be amazed to see the lengths that aluminum bat manufacturers will go to “head these initiatives off at the pass”. It’s pretty disturbing stuff.

Aluminum bats are great ... unless your kid is a pitcher!


16 posted on 02/27/2008 11:00:55 AM PST by Eurale
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To: SlapHappyPappy

That’s happening in Slow pitch softball, too. I play in a church league, and everybody’s buying $300 bats that are made out of two different materials. I’ve seen a lot of weird injuries that I don’t think would have happened with normal metal bats.


17 posted on 02/27/2008 11:01:13 AM PST by hoppity
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To: SlapHappyPappy

When I pitched in HS and college I just threw inside or at the batter :) Maybe that’s why IO am here instead of on the big show, dang.


18 posted on 02/27/2008 11:01:22 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: mad puppy

Professional baseball doesn’t use aluminum bats, so why use them in Little Leagues, schools and colleges?..........


19 posted on 02/27/2008 11:02:59 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: TChris; Island Girl
...but the injury would have been the same whether an aluminum or a wooden bat was used.

Possibly not. The aluminum bat place more energy into the ball than the wooden ones, so the headshot may have been just a concussion..................

20 posted on 02/27/2008 11:05:08 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Hazwaste
Ban baseballs and go all-Nerf.

Whiffle Balls......

21 posted on 02/27/2008 11:06:18 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Eurale

What is sadder is the level of competition in Dixie ( 7-8 yoa ) and youth girls softball among the parents. The kids just want to play and the parents are all about playing “select ball” and if their kid does not get asked to the all star team they are offended.

My son was asked to play select after the season and I said no and you would have though I kicked someone’s grandma. This year the word was out that I am a non-team parent (??) so don’t bother asking my kid to play. The good thing is he is in the top 5 of players in the league so they need him.


22 posted on 02/27/2008 11:06:40 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Eurale

Are you saying that the people are up against BIG ALUMINUM (Alcoa, Reynolds, etc)?............


23 posted on 02/27/2008 11:08:34 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: kc8ukw
My two cents from personal experience...don't stir a campfire with one, at least not for very long.

They blow up real good!

24 posted on 02/27/2008 11:10:38 AM PST by BikerTrash
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To: Red Badger

Maybe there should be a weight limit or something. If a kid is over 100lbs he is big enough to swing a wooden bat. Granted, he might not hit as well with it, but he probably won’t kill the pitcher either. I don’t know what the solution is but those light bats are pretty dangerous.


25 posted on 02/27/2008 11:11:52 AM PST by mad puppy (Never have I felt so politically radical and I swear I didn't move an inch.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I know that this is straying off topic, but I coached youth leagues, high school and college summer leagues. Parents are often the worst component of youth athletics, and in fact often inhibit their kids’ ability to advance in their sport. Too much domestic conflict.

Tell your son to just have fun and try to get a little better each year. The college scouts won’t even look at him until his junior year of high school (even though some parents insist that their kid has been “booked” by an MLB team at the age of 10.) LOL. I’ve heard them all!


26 posted on 02/27/2008 11:13:42 AM PST by Eurale
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To: Eurale

“Aluminum bats are great ... unless your kid is a pitcher!”

and my kid is a pitcher.
The older, bigger, stronger these kids get, the more nerve wracking the whole aluminum vs. wood issue becomes.


27 posted on 02/27/2008 11:13:47 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: SlapHappyPappy
People often don’t realize that aluminum bats are very different than they used to be. The way they are engineered has the ball coming off at such a rapid speed that pitchers cannot react fast enough to defend themselves. This is particularly true in the younger ages.

In golf, the USGA sets tight limits as to the maximum COR that any driver face can have, thus limiting how lively any club can get.

If it's a problem, then have Little League, Pony League, and Babe Ruth League (all of which claim to have "approved" the aluminum bats my kids use) actually do their job and set strict limits on youth bat CORs before approving a bat for league play.

Banning aluminum bats totally is impossible, simply because there isn't enough wooden bat manufacturing capacity.

28 posted on 02/27/2008 11:16:20 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Red Badger

No Red Badger - just EASTON, Worth and the other aluminum bat manufacturers (who by the way contribute to youth league programs — OR NOT.)


29 posted on 02/27/2008 11:16:22 AM PST by Eurale
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To: kc8ukw

Thank god for this. baseball’s a game of tradition, anyways.

Now if they’ll only get rid of the stupid DH rule and take those @*&%^$%# lights out of Wrigley Field......


30 posted on 02/27/2008 11:16:22 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: kc8ukw

Than God for this. baseball’s a game of tradition, anyways.

Now if they’ll only get rid of the stupid DH rule and take those @*&%^$%# lights out of Wrigley Field......


31 posted on 02/27/2008 11:16:52 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Eurale
My daughter's league would not allow wooden bats. She preferred The wood because of the feel. We should make the green argument: "How many aluminum trees are being cut down every year to provide these bats?" Heck, a lot of the greenies probably think aluminum comes from trees.

You're correct about the aluminum bat manufacturers. They do not want wooden bats to be legal.

32 posted on 02/27/2008 11:17:58 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Sure, they'd love to kill me, as long as they can do it without admitting I exist)
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To: Red Badger
so why use them in Little Leagues, schools and colleges?..........

Aluminum bats don't break.

33 posted on 02/27/2008 11:19:21 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: kc8ukw

I always preferred the wood bats in my youth growing up in the 70’s, just didn’t like aluminum bats and the sound they made. That being said, its stupid to ban them


34 posted on 02/27/2008 11:19:22 AM PST by Intimidator (Its not unilateral,just try saying you're a Progressive Dem in your typical Evangelical chur)
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To: hoppity

Remember when all you had to do to “fix” a bat was cork the handle and use pine tar?


35 posted on 02/27/2008 11:19:40 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: wastedyears
Aluminum bats are easier to swing for kids.

They are? That's news to me.

36 posted on 02/27/2008 11:19:59 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Scotswife

My son pitched in college (NCAA D-IA), and I can assure you that it can get really worrysome at times, especially against 230+ lb. #4 hitters! It’s almost impossible to react to a 110 mph “screamer” coming at your head afyer you’ve just delivered a pitch.


37 posted on 02/27/2008 11:21:35 AM PST by Eurale
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To: kc8ukw

Is this about bats or stopping baseball? Kickball was dangerous and it was stopped. Why not just ban all balls and bubble wrap the kids?


38 posted on 02/27/2008 11:21:58 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Eurale

I’ll show your post to hubby.

Our boy has potential both as a catcher and as a pitcher.

Up until last year, I would have guessed catching was his thing.
But then he went to a showcase and was clocked at 83 mph at the age of 14.
Ever since then it’s been “pitcher pitcher pitcher”

I’d still rather have him stand behind the batter.


39 posted on 02/27/2008 11:26:47 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: kc8ukw

Can I carry one in my Truck?


40 posted on 02/27/2008 11:27:22 AM PST by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands..)
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To: wastedyears

What about carbon fiber bats? Titanium? Kevlar?


41 posted on 02/27/2008 11:28:47 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: CindyDawg
Is this about bats or stopping baseball?

It's really about the bats. The issue, which is real, is that the ball leaves an aluminum bat much faster, and more kids are getting hurt.

The propsed legislative solution.... well, that's a different matter entirely. Leagues should deal with the problem.

OTOH, if the leagues aren't dealing with it ... then what?

42 posted on 02/27/2008 11:28:59 AM PST by r9etb
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To: CindyDawg

getting hit in the head with a kickball is much different than getting hit in the head when kids are throwing 80+ mph pitches that are getting hit by large muscular boys.

It’s not too much of an issue in LL - but now that we’re heading into varsity high school baseball - it is making me nervous.


43 posted on 02/27/2008 11:29:04 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: kc8ukw
If they were aluminum only, they would be OK. But technology has produced these very sophisticated materials that are incorporated into the bats.

We call them "hot bats" and they are a concern in baseball and softball.

44 posted on 02/27/2008 11:32:11 AM PST by lawnguy (40 years of NEA=Obama-Nation)
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To: kc8ukw

Illinois has cancelled Little League this year. All kids will just receive an appropriate self esteem “All Star Winner” certificates in the mail.

That is all.


45 posted on 02/27/2008 11:33:18 AM PST by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: Publius Valerius
Aluminum bats don't break.

Aluminum bats don't GIVE, either. They impart much more of the energy to the ball than the wooden ones do, thus harder and longer hits. I've often wondered how much damage the aluminum bats do to the batters' wrists from the jar.............

46 posted on 02/27/2008 11:34:11 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Born to Conserve
I think they should ban aluminum bats, and ugly girls.

Light beer too.

47 posted on 02/27/2008 11:34:23 AM PST by GATOR NAVY (Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.)
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To: kc8ukw
Some Illinois lawmakers, in fact, want to ban metal bats from youth baseball.

This is silly. People aren't getting hit with the bats. They're getting hit with the BALLS. They should ban the balls. That would make it much safer.

48 posted on 02/27/2008 11:34:55 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Scotswife

You show me any kid throwing 80+MPH fastballs, and I’ll call the Pirates front office to go sign him immediately.


49 posted on 02/27/2008 11:35:01 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: wastedyears

The move to aluminum was partly driven by a shortage of ashe, the primary wood of baseball bats in years past. There is a Pennsylvania-based company that has been making bats from maple for a number of years. They have caught on at every level in which wooden bats are still used.

All that said, it is possible to make an aluminum bat a little less ‘lively’ so that it more closely mimics a wooden bat. This has already been done.

I suspect any time there’s a hotshot up the middle that nails a pitch, and an aluminum bat was used, you’re going to get a replay of this story.


50 posted on 02/27/2008 11:37:02 AM PST by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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