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Loss of wind causes Texas power grid emergency
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Posted on 02/27/2008 5:19:12 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Loss of wind causes Texas power grid emergency Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:11pm EST

HOUSTON (Reuters) - A drop in wind generation late on Tuesday, coupled with colder weather, triggered an electric emergency that caused the Texas grid operator to cut service to some large customers, the grid agency said on Wednesday.

Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) said a decline in wind energy production in west Texas occurred at the same time evening electric demand was building as colder temperatures moved into the state.

The grid operator went directly to the second stage of an emergency plan at 6:41 PM CST (0041 GMT), ERCOT said in a statement.

System operators curtailed power to interruptible customers to shave 1,100 megawatts of demand within 10 minutes, ERCOT said. Interruptible customers are generally large industrial customers who are paid to reduce power use when emergencies occur.

No other customers lost power during the emergency, ERCOT said. Interruptible customers were restored in about 90 minutes and the emergency was over in three hours.

ERCOT said the grid's frequency dropped suddenly when wind production fell from more than 1,700 megawatts, before the event, to 300 MW when the emergency was declared.

In addition, ERCOT said multiple power suppliers fell below the amount of power they were scheduled to produce on Tuesday. That, coupled with the loss of wind generated in West Texas, created problems moving power to the west from North Texas.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: electricity; energy; grid; power; powergrid; texas
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I hate to say that I find this funny.....
1 posted on 02/27/2008 5:19:18 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Ooops!


2 posted on 02/27/2008 5:20:22 PM PST by SouthTexas (We are home.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Did this coincide with the end of the debate last night?


3 posted on 02/27/2008 5:20:29 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: Sub-Driver

Maybe Mother Nature is just catching her breath...


4 posted on 02/27/2008 5:21:15 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Sub-Driver

Here in Texas we break wind quite often.


5 posted on 02/27/2008 5:21:39 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Sub-Driver

Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT)

Maybe they should change their name?


6 posted on 02/27/2008 5:21:40 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sub-Driver

Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.


7 posted on 02/27/2008 5:23:16 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Sub-Driver

We need to figure out how to re-route this energy. It’s been very gusty in S Texas.


8 posted on 02/27/2008 5:24:47 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Sub-Driver

I was looking all over for the “/sarc” or “parody site” disclaimer, but alas.

First of all, I’ve never heard of West Texas being without wind EVER and second, I cannot imagine this being a source of electric power for anybody. Kinda like solar panels that don’t work on cloudy days in Seattle or something?


9 posted on 02/27/2008 5:25:20 PM PST by Rte66
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To: Sub-Driver

Shh. Don’t tell em the wind doesn’t blow all the time. Don’t let em in on the secret, nukes run 24/7/365. We’ll keep it to ourselves and those boneheads will never figure it out.


10 posted on 02/27/2008 5:26:05 PM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: CindyDawg

But all the turbines keep going to west Texas.


11 posted on 02/27/2008 5:26:29 PM PST by SouthTexas (We are home.)
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To: Sub-Driver

What is really funny is the bewildering looks on the board members faces when they are faced with a big ‘ol dollop of wind reality.


12 posted on 02/27/2008 5:26:57 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: SouthTexas

Which is ok with me. Those things are spooky.


13 posted on 02/27/2008 5:28:34 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Sub-Driver

Too bad the wind stopped blowing. This is probly tied to global warming some how.


14 posted on 02/27/2008 5:29:34 PM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: Sub-Driver

Luddites are smiling


15 posted on 02/27/2008 5:30:50 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: Cicero

ROFL


16 posted on 02/27/2008 5:31:11 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: CindyDawg

They’ve been coming into the Port of CC for quite a while now. HUGE pieces, all heading northwest.


17 posted on 02/27/2008 5:31:17 PM PST by SouthTexas (We are home.)
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To: SouthTexas

If we could paint them red/white and blue or draw pics on them or something..


18 posted on 02/27/2008 5:34:32 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Delta 21

As we return to global cooling the winds will be less energetic — less energy for the windmills to extract. This wasn’t the way it was supposed to be!


19 posted on 02/27/2008 5:34:37 PM PST by Procyon (To the global warming fanatics the problem is too many people and the solution is genocide.)
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To: Sub-Driver; saganite
Too many megawatts in one unreliable basket. Solar and wind can help -- especially where they can compliment each other (stormy days help wind power production but hurt solar power, sunny days help solar power but may hurt wind power production), but they shouldn't be relied upon for large proportions of the base load.

Numerous nuclear power plants are great for massive base load power.

20 posted on 02/27/2008 5:36:31 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: CindyDawg
They're all plain white. LOL

You have FReepmail.

21 posted on 02/27/2008 5:37:13 PM PST by SouthTexas (We are home.)
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To: SouthTexas

Thanks. Ugly aren’t they?. We should put them out to sea far enough to not affect the view. A storm coming in could give us enough energy for a year:’)


22 posted on 02/27/2008 5:40:11 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Sub-Driver

I have two thoughts about why this happened and what can be done to fix it.

1. I guess Odessa doesn’t suck any more.

2. Maybe we can fix the problem by calling a special session of the legislature. That ought to produce enough wind.


23 posted on 02/27/2008 5:40:30 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Solitar

There’s some new battery technology in the offing that will help. In fact, creating effective storage for the energy generated by wind or solar is one of the major problems they need to overcome.


24 posted on 02/27/2008 5:40:52 PM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: CindyDawg

LOL, talk about your early warning system! When the lights go out, it’s time to duck!


25 posted on 02/27/2008 5:42:55 PM PST by SouthTexas (We are home.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Welcome to Lib-O-Power. Reliability in our power matches reliability in our logic. Wind power is neat, but we still need good storage (buffering) ability. It ain’t here yet.


26 posted on 02/27/2008 5:47:10 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Sub-Driver

Cutting power to large industrial customers for a few hours every few years my be a reasonably trade-off for not having to build the peakers needed to archive that last .01% of reliability to such customers.


27 posted on 02/27/2008 5:54:03 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: Sub-Driver

On Tuesday out here on the Texas High Plains, the wind generators probably blew over in our 60 mph winds. I needed to sweep out my shop so I just opened the front and rear doors and let ‘er rip.


28 posted on 02/27/2008 5:59:41 PM PST by Muleteam1
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To: SouthTexas

The King Ranch and the Kenedy Ranch are at odds right now over a wind farm proposed on the Kenedy Ranch.
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jan2008/2008-01-02-091.asp

Also I think I saw an article just a day or so ago about T Boone Pickens working on a large project for the Panhandle.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975560/posts

If we could harness the hot air around Austin when the Legislature is in session we may have a viable project there.


29 posted on 02/27/2008 6:05:44 PM PST by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Sub-Driver

1100 megawatts in 10 minutes! Whoa!

That’s huge, folks. A heckuva lot of load to shed/accommodate in 10 minutes. That would be an enormous amount of rolling reserve.


30 posted on 02/27/2008 6:08:38 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: SouthTexas

The wind stops and your power goes out????

Brilliant!


31 posted on 02/27/2008 6:12:08 PM PST by baclava
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To: Rte66

It’s a supplementary source. Notice it was a drop in wind plus other sources not providing the power that caused this.


32 posted on 02/27/2008 6:36:44 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Sub-Driver

The dirty little secret is that because “renewable” energy is not reliable, you still have to build back-up capacity using regular technology - i.e. fossil fuels or nukes. So you end up with double capacity.


33 posted on 02/27/2008 6:37:25 PM PST by Doodle
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To: deport
I think those south will eventually after they finally settle on a location.

Saw him the other morning talking up the alternatives, but by now, they should have as many turbines out there as people.

Sadly, I'd say Austin will never allow their "view" to be cluttered, a la Ted Kennedy.

34 posted on 02/27/2008 6:44:19 PM PST by SouthTexas (We are home.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Why do I find myself thinking of the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles?


35 posted on 02/27/2008 6:46:05 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Sub-Driver

Wind adds power to the grid, not capacity. You still have to build the same number of *real* power plants to add capacity to the grid. Wind is a silly little affectation that is distracting from the real issue.


36 posted on 02/27/2008 6:51:20 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: AdamSelene235

We can send you Jennifer Granholm to your state.....she blows more than the wind.


37 posted on 02/27/2008 6:53:22 PM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Democrat socialist liberal scumbags.....how did we let this happen!)
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To: CindyDawg
We should put them out to sea far enough to not affect the view. A storm coming in could give us enough energy for a year:

They have a narrow range of peak efficiency. A big storm would be more likely to blow them down than generate useful power.

And there is no means of effectively storing the energy.

Its a sham and always has been a sham to anybody who can do the basic math.

38 posted on 02/27/2008 6:55:29 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Solitar

Welcome to the rat energy future. The glorious sun and wind will supply all of our energy. When there is a failure, just blame it on global warming.


39 posted on 02/27/2008 6:57:36 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: saganite
Shh. Don’t tell em the wind doesn’t blow all the time. Don’t let em in on the secret, nukes run 24/7/365. We’ll keep it to ourselves and those boneheads will never figure it out.

BUMP!

40 posted on 02/27/2008 6:59:19 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Sub-Driver

Put your wind turbines out to sea, and have them electrolyse water to hydrogen, which is either piped ashore, or picked up by tankers with H2 compressors.

Use the H2 for cars and trucks.

Integrate the wind power and store it.

If you use wind for grid power, you must have almost an equal capacity of steam turbines idling, in case the wind dies over ten minutes!


41 posted on 02/27/2008 7:23:31 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Sub-Driver

Alternate title: “Texas in the power doldrums”


42 posted on 02/27/2008 7:37:07 PM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: baclava

“The wind stops and your power goes out????”

Actually, it was probably HIGH winds. The cold front went through on that day. When the winds get too high, they stop the turbines to prevent them from comming apart.


43 posted on 02/27/2008 7:37:21 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Sub-Driver

Agree - I can’t stop laughing. Who were the rocket scientists who decided that Texas could depend upon wind power to generate required electricity.

Living in a So. Cal desert area packed with wind turbines, it is obvious, even in the high wind pass location of these turbines, that there are days when NO WIND IS BLOWING.

That is why wind turbines are just more environmentalist BS. They can never be used as a replacement for other sources of electricity because they are not dependable. If it weren’t for government required subsidies, you wouldn’t find a wind turbine anywhere.


44 posted on 02/27/2008 7:45:55 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Sub-Driver

Wow an alternate energy source that is prone to not live up to its hype. Imagine that!


45 posted on 02/27/2008 8:18:28 PM PST by Shirerwasright (Liberalism continues to erode the foundations of America)
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To: Sub-Driver; greyfoxx39

PING!! Adding “New Mexico” as a topic because our very own King Bill opposes more conventional power plants (especially one proposed on the Navajo reservation and supported by the tribe) and has pushed into law that 15 percent of the states power must come from renewables by 2015 and 20 percent by 2020. Guess we had better plan on Coleman lanterns and wood stove heat for calm winter nights in the future.


46 posted on 02/27/2008 9:19:20 PM PST by CedarDave (Dear John, Why do you criticize Republicans and conservatives but give Obama and Hillary a pass?)
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To: DBrow
Put your wind turbines out to sea, and have them electrolyse water to hydrogen, which is either piped ashore, or picked up by tankers with H2 compressors. Use the H2 for cars and trucks.

This technology does not exist and even if it did it would be pretty ugly.

47 posted on 02/28/2008 4:26:30 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: saganite
Don’t let em in on the secret, nukes run 24/7/365.

Except in Florida.

48 posted on 02/28/2008 4:33:18 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: Sub-Driver

It was all up here in Oklahoma.


49 posted on 02/28/2008 4:35:30 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Sub-Driver
Loss of wind causes Texas power grid emergency

Send in Obama. That pompous racist blowhard has enough hot air to power a small subdivision. And if more is needed send in his pompous racist blowhard wife, and then you can power a small city on hot air.

50 posted on 02/28/2008 4:48:14 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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