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Will the "Willie Effect" Impact the Election? (McCain's Attack on Cunningham Seriously Risks Ohio)
WLW 700 ^ | 28 Feb 08 | WLW

Posted on 02/28/2008 7:00:23 AM PST by xzins

Will the "Willie Effect" Impact the Election?

Some speculate the controversy could cost McCain the White House

By 700WLW News

Thursday, February 28, 2008

( Cincinnati ) -- Some reports claim the on-going controversy involving 700 WLW talk show host Bill Cunningham (Willie Cunningham) and presidential candidate John McCain has the potential to impact the results of the 2008 election.

Ohio is a key state in the presidential election. For Republicans it is essential that they win as much support as possible in southwest Ohio to counter the strong Democratic party support in the Cleveland area.

Political Science professor Jason Johnson from Hiram College spoke to the Cincinnati Enquirer and told them John McCain needs radio talk show listeners and Willie fans to go his way, "John McCain needs those people if he has any hope of winning in November."

With other national talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity rushing to Willie's defense, it widens the rift between the party's conservative base and John McCain even further, at a time when the Republican party has only recently started to solidify around the likely nominee.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: backlash; billcunningham; cunningham; husseinobama; mccain; oh2008; ohio; talkradio; wlw
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Here is a real political truth, guys.

There has never been a republican candidate who won the election without winning Ohio. McCain needs to win Ohio, just like the rest of them.

While the conservative vote is spread around Ohio, it is a fact that the huge republican numbers are in southwest Ohio. There has NEVER been a republican winner in Ohio who did not win SouthWestern Ohio. Never. This, too, is simply a matter of record.

McCain just insulted one of the most popular conservatives in all of southern Ohio and threw him under the bus. Additonally, he insulted a guy who also happens to be a conservative talk show host. It IS having repercussions, and I heard talk show host Bill Cunningham demand that McCain apologize to him, because he has now lost Cunningham’s support.

Cunningham is on daily on WLW, one of the largest signal stations in all of America, and I listen to it every single day of the week. He is on weekdays, evenings, and has a regular Clear Channel nationwide show on Sunday evenings. He’s used as a spokesperson in more commercials than I can even begin to remember. He’s a regular guest on all our sports talk programs. He’s all over our TV.

In short, McCain just threw away Southern Ohio. If he loses SW Ohio, then he loses Ohio. If he loses Ohio, then he loses America.

That is reality, and it’s not just some wired Freeper talking through his tin-foil hat.

Conservatives need to come up with a Plan B real fast. At this point, I’d even support Ron Paul over this poser.

1 posted on 02/28/2008 7:00:28 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins

McCain is fighting with both arms tied behind his back and using his feet to kick people who should be his friends.


2 posted on 02/28/2008 7:02:44 AM PST by DManA
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To: xzins

Vote Huckabee and try to get a revolt at the convention.


3 posted on 02/28/2008 7:03:09 AM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: xzins

So, in other words, conservatives are so upset that McCain criticized Cunningham for his speech about Obama, a man presumedly they do not want to become president, that they will stay home on election day to the point where they will allow Obama to win anyway?


4 posted on 02/28/2008 7:04:57 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: xzins

I really don’t think McCain is in this to win. He has the nomination, that is what he wants. Now, he will throw the election, and next year we will be saying “President Obama.” I think that is his goal.


5 posted on 02/28/2008 7:05:25 AM PST by webheart
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To: LWalk18; Greg F

They are upset about betrayal.

Better the enemy you know than the traitor who pretends to be your friend.


6 posted on 02/28/2008 7:06:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

McCain is trying to win without conservatives, plain and simple. If they can pull it off, more power to them. Next time around, there will be a strongly united conservative base either within the GOP or an entirely new Conservative Party.


7 posted on 02/28/2008 7:06:58 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: xzins

Please the loudmouths couldn’t even get their candidate selected during the GOP primaries, and dissing an arrogant loudmouth like Cunningham, IMO, helps with the other 98% of the Cincinatti population who does not listen to him.


8 posted on 02/28/2008 7:07:26 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: xzins
"John McCain needs those people if he has any hope of winning in November."

Well, I guess McQueeg shouldn't have thrown Willie and then the Tennessee State GOP under the bus then. Too late! The damage is done and is irreparable!

9 posted on 02/28/2008 7:07:35 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: xzins
McCain scored more points with the media and moderates than he will lose with people that didn’t like him anyway.
10 posted on 02/28/2008 7:08:28 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: LWalk18

Yes.


11 posted on 02/28/2008 7:08:56 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: xzins

So much speculation with so much time between now and november. Dear God, I’d like to beat to a bloody pulp the people responsible for giving us a two-year run for prez...we didn’t even get a break after november 2006, it just went into presidential election mode. I don’t know how the country is going to be able to stand it if it’s going to ne 24/7 for 2 years non-stop every time.


12 posted on 02/28/2008 7:09:01 AM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Ohio & Texas-cross over & vote Obama! LEAVE NO DOUBT! TAKE THEM OUT!)
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To: xzins
He obviously has calculated that he does not need Conservative votes. And is actually trying to get Democrat votes by attacking Conservatives, as usual.

Screw him, its time to begin funding Conservative around the country, vetting and running them.

McClintock in CA needs funds to run for Congress. We need to get active, Move-On is running rings around us now.

http://www.tommcclintock.com/contact.php

13 posted on 02/28/2008 7:09:26 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: xzins

I thought that McCain was right to distance himself from Cunningham’s remarks (now donning asbestos suit). What he said is that he wants to treat his two Democratic rivals with respect. He wants discourse to be civil. I prefer this in a candidate and I don’t think that McCain had any choice but to make the remarks that he did unless he wished to appear hopelessly partisan. I think that Cunningham should apologize for his lack of civility. Remember just last year when we were honoring the late Gerald Ford in part because of his civility - asking McGovern over to the White House in the interests of civility.


14 posted on 02/28/2008 7:09:33 AM PST by beejaa
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To: LWalk18
So, in other words, conservatives are so upset that McCain criticized Cunningham for his speech about Obama, a man presumedly they do not want to become president, that they will stay home on election day to the point where they will allow Obama to win anyway?

Well when you put it like that it does sound silly . . .

Problem is McCain attacked a popular conservative radio talk show host in Ohio, so he started a personal feud with a guy whose own business interest is to have controversy and self-promotion. I hope the talk show host ends up being the bigger man. The problem is when you have a Presidential candidate who needs radio talk show hosts to be bigger men than he is.

15 posted on 02/28/2008 7:09:36 AM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: xzins
I thought McCain was over the edge, with his denouncement, it was a knee-jerk reaction, that was uncalled for..
16 posted on 02/28/2008 7:11:38 AM PST by thinking
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To: xzins

that is crazy , if a shock jock can influence election. i wonder what those people who let them influence them would have done in ww2 or nam
would they have jumped off the ship because tokyo rose told them to or hannoi hannah?


17 posted on 02/28/2008 7:11:45 AM PST by TinaJeannes
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To: LWalk18

Maybe they were willing to hold their noses and vote for McCain. Now they may not even do that.


18 posted on 02/28/2008 7:11:49 AM PST by kabar
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To: Dane
98% is a guess on your part, but it doesn’t matter. Let’s just assume your 2%. The Bush/Kerry election was separated by 100,000 or so votes.

Therefore, 51 thousand votes determines the election. Your 2% easily meets that threshold.

19 posted on 02/28/2008 7:11:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
In short, McCain just threw away Southern Ohio. If he loses SW Ohio, then he loses Ohio. If he loses Ohio, then he loses America

It really is funny, the talk radio loudmouths were against McCain and lost.

JMO, the radio talk show loudmouths overestimate their power as the results from the GOP ptimaries show, and it is the most hubristic who fall the hardest and it will not be pretty when the loudmouths find this out.

20 posted on 02/28/2008 7:11:57 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: LWalk18

But, But, But he used Baarack’s middle name Huesein which is something he should not have done. His Majesty’s middle name is not to be used.


21 posted on 02/28/2008 7:14:41 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: DManA

Cunningham makes McCain appear reasonable....John’s camp used him to make a national statement. It worked.


22 posted on 02/28/2008 7:15:19 AM PST by egginanest ( "Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you." -Winston Churchill-)
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To: xzins
98% is a guess on your part, but it doesn’t matter. Let’s just assume your 2%. The Bush/Kerry election was separated by 100,000 or so votes.

Therefore, 51 thousand votes determines the election. Your 2% easily meets that threshold.

Uh the Bush/Kerry was a 3 million vote split, and anyway I don't think rationally thinking people will an arrogant, petulant, irrationally thinking Cunningham.

Afterall the voters oin the right are not "mind numbed robots" and can see a petulant temper tantrum by Cunninbham for what it is.

23 posted on 02/28/2008 7:15:25 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: xzins
McCain just insulted one of the most popular conservatives in all of southern Ohio and threw him under the bus. Additonally, he insulted a guy who also happens to be a conservative talk show host. It IS having repercussions, and I heard talk show host Bill Cunningham demand that McCain apologize to him, because he has now lost Cunningham’s support.

Cunninham's comments -- the ones that started this piddlefest -- were out of line. If he can't watch his mouth; and if he can't take his medicine like a man; then he should be thrown under the bus.

24 posted on 02/28/2008 7:16:07 AM PST by r9etb
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To: xzins

Bravo, xzins!


25 posted on 02/28/2008 7:16:44 AM PST by levotb
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To: All
Rightwing radio has done more for us, EVERYONE here, Republicans, Conservatives, Constitutionalists, and Libertarians, for decades now, than McCain EVER has, ever.

So to read posts slamming men who have worked hard all their lives for the Right, just to defend a man who has NEVER lifted a finger for the RIGHT, is sickening.

Vote for McCain if you will, none of my business, but do not slam talk radio on the whole, after all, they have been are ONLY warriors against the MSM, teaching and influencing, more than our reps in DC.

26 posted on 02/28/2008 7:17:31 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: LWalk18
Obviously, most republicans don’t want Obama to become president. The problem for McCain is that a lot of republicans and conservative independents aren’t that interested in him becoming president either. It might be helpful if he gave them reasons to want to vote for him instead of more reasons not to.
27 posted on 02/28/2008 7:18:04 AM PST by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: Dane; TinaJeannes; beejaa; Greg F; The Ghost of Rudy McRomney; roses of sharon; P-Marlowe

It’s a matter of fairness, Dane.

What was Cunningham’s crime that required the level of rebuke he got from McCain that will also get conservatives to agree that Cunningham did something unethical/illegal/obnoxious?

Can you spell it out for me?


28 posted on 02/28/2008 7:18:29 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: roses of sharon
He obviously has calculated that he does not need Conservative votes. And is actually trying to get Democrat votes by attacking Conservatives, as usual.

I think that he knows that conservatives are in the end, rational people, and they will, however reluctantly, vote for someone who they are less thrilled with in order to stop a man who is has no experience and who is against everything they stand for. I also believe that McCain knows that Obama and the media who love to make this election a referendum on bigotry and he is trying to cut off that meme early to the extent possible.

29 posted on 02/28/2008 7:18:38 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: Dane
It really is funny, the talk radio loudmouths were against McCain and lost.

Thanks to diluted conservative votes and Democrats voting in early GOP open primaries.

When you celebrate a GOP candidate Democrats helped nominate, it becomes clear where you stand.

30 posted on 02/28/2008 7:19:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: surrender, kill them, or die.)
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To: TommyDale

Huh? The NEXT time? Oh, you mean 2012? It will be a new party. SO many conservatives have left the GOP, they don’t stand a prayer of getting them back. Romney can’t bring them back, maybe soome of them. It’s third party time, Tommy and not nec. The CP...


31 posted on 02/28/2008 7:19:18 AM PST by levotb
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To: beejaa
Agreed. I don't have a high opinion of Obama, and if I were to analyze Cunningham's remarks there might not be much I really disareed with, but this was a campaign event for McCain and he went way overboard, forcing McCain to distance himself from him. Maybe McCain could have finessed his comments a bit better, but Cunningham probably would have thrown a fit whatever McCain said.

The local organizers should either not have had Cunningham as a warm-up act, or got him to agree to refrain from inflammatory language that would put McCain on the spot.

Cunningham and Limbaugh want the election to be all about them, even if it means electing Obama. With all of McCain's shortcomings, having Obama as President would be far worse for the country, both domestically and for foreign policy. How many days was Cunningham tortured by the North Vietnamese?

32 posted on 02/28/2008 7:19:37 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: egginanest
Cunningham makes McCain appear reasonable....John’s camp used him to make a national statement. It worked.

EGGZACKLY!

33 posted on 02/28/2008 7:19:53 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (George Bush, get us an oil policy before you leave and a lot will be forgiven!)
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To: webheart

You are absolutely correct.

McCain has zero chance in the election against Obamessiah, and about a 20% chance against Missus Clinton.


34 posted on 02/28/2008 7:21:15 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: roses of sharon

Right on, Sharon! McClintock (if he plays his cards right) COULD be the next Tancredo in the House. Don’t forget—both Tancredo and Hunter are leaving at year’s end.


35 posted on 02/28/2008 7:21:42 AM PST by levotb
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To: beejaa
McCain is an @$$hat who wants to treat the enemy (but not his potential allies) with “dignity” and “respect.”

That doesn’t work with terrorists or with Democrats.

And POing the conservatives doesn’t get Republicans elected, either.

36 posted on 02/28/2008 7:21:59 AM PST by Little Ray (So its McCain or Huckabee? Pass me the bloody KoolAid.)
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To: Dane

We’re talking about OHIO, Dane, which is the subject of this post. It was not separated by 3 million; it was separated by 100 grand.

And, the US presidential election is not popular, it is electoral.

Ohio’s electoral votes would have put Kerry over the top instead of Bush. Also, no republican has ever won nationally who has not first won Ohio. (See post #1)


37 posted on 02/28/2008 7:22:13 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: LWalk18
....they will stay home on election day to the point where they will allow Obama to win anyway?

I don't think you remotely understand the depth of betrayal that some life long Republicans (1st vote 1963) like me feel toward the Republican Party.

38 posted on 02/28/2008 7:22:18 AM PST by nygoose
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To: TommyDale
McCain is trying to win without conservatives, plain and simple. If they can pull it off, more power to them.

I think this is a true statement.

39 posted on 02/28/2008 7:22:22 AM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: LWalk18
Sometimes it is better to lose the election and save the Party from an insidious traitor than to achieve a Pyrrhic victory.
40 posted on 02/28/2008 7:24:02 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: egginanest

The message was “conservatives, shut up, crawl into a hole, and don’t come out until November when you vote for me.”


41 posted on 02/28/2008 7:25:00 AM PST by DManA
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To: Dane

It was not the talk show guys that failed. The Bhutto asasination was what fueled McCain’s rise in the polls. Unless you think they engineered it, they did not fail. McCain still has not gotten a descent % of conservative votes. Some pubbies, some moderates and some democrats like McCain as well as a carefully engineered primary system that favors RINOS, independent moderates and Demo crossovers. This is why we have McLame.


42 posted on 02/28/2008 7:26:26 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: r9etb

What comments of his did you find “out of line?”


43 posted on 02/28/2008 7:27:00 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: xzins
What was Cunningham’s crime that required the level of rebuke he got from McCain that will also get conservatives to agree that Cunningham did something unethical/illegal/obnoxious?

All McCain did was say that he wanted a respectful campaign and didn't like Cunningham's comments and Cunningham has a temper tantrum.

Like a person earlier said. this will probably help McCain since it shows that he doesn't pander to hubristic talk radio loudmouths.

44 posted on 02/28/2008 7:27:13 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Verginius Rufus
he went way overboard

NO he didn't. He did EXACTLY what McCain's set-up people asked him to do.

In fact, there is no doubt among organizers there at the time who witnessed McCain's people giving Cunningham his mission. They say that Cunningham is accurately reporting what McCain's people told him to do, and that he was dissed by McCain for doing that. These people are on record agreeing with Cunningham about what McCain asked him to do.

45 posted on 02/28/2008 7:28:30 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Dane

See #45.

Also, you didn’t explain Cunningham’s crime????


46 posted on 02/28/2008 7:29:37 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: GadareneDemoniac
McCain has zero chance in the election against Obamessiah, and about a 20% chance against Missus Clinton.

Correction:

McCain has zero chance in the election against Obamessiah, and about a 20% chance against Missus Clinton.

47 posted on 02/28/2008 7:30:01 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: GBA; P-Marlowe
The problem for McCain is that a lot of republicans and conservative independents aren’t that interested in him becoming president either. It might be helpful if he gave them reasons to want to vote for him instead of more reasons not to.

Precisely, GBA.

BTTT

48 posted on 02/28/2008 7:31:21 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: LWalk18
Then he is miscalculating, Conservatives are at their wits end, and will not support another Democrat (which McCain is).

He is also insulting and assuming that Conservatives are bigots, so he is trying to protect himself from the smears of the MSM, by distancing himself.

Instead of defending us, he sides against us in a lie about racism, bigotry, homophobia, sexism, and other leftwing smears.

And he will do it as President too. Fortunately for his political career, he has enough liberal voters locked up that he can win. He does not need Conservatives at all.

So, its rational to assume that rational conservatives will not loose sleep over not voting for him, lol. And will just vote down ticket. No big deal for McCain.

49 posted on 02/28/2008 7:31:58 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
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To: Greg F
so he started a personal feud with a guy whose own business interest is to have controversy and self-promotion.

Pretty stupid to pick a fight with the guy who controls the microphone. Especially when it won't win him any points to his left anyway.

50 posted on 02/28/2008 7:32:24 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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