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The Emerging Minority (Barack and Hispanics)
New York Times ^ | 2 March 2008 | JAMES TRAUB

Posted on 03/01/2008 2:19:04 PM PST by shrinkermd

It comes as no surprise that black voters prefer Obama or that women prefer Clinton. But why have Hispanic voters chosen Clinton by about the same margin that women have? The two candidates have similar positions on immigration, poverty, English-language teaching...

Or do identity politics, in fact, work the other way around? Sergio Bendixen, provoked a furor in late January when he told an interviewer that “the Hispanic voter . . . has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” Television commentators treated the claim as accepted wisdom and thus a serious impediment to Obama’s electoral prospects, while both the Obama camp and scholars of Hispanic voting patterns denounced Bendixen for spreading racial propaganda on behalf of his client.

Bendixen’s claim would come as no surprise to veterans of New York City politics, where ethnic competition has long been a fact of life. In Rodriguez v. Pataki, a 2002 voting rights case, a federal court in New York adopted the findings of an expert who concluded that in six Democratic primary races involving a black candidate, “Hispanics and whites voted together far more often than did Hispanics and blacks”; in all but one election, “Hispanics ‘voted cohesively against’ the black candidate.” Nor is this pattern exclusive to New York. Allan J. Lichtman, a scholar at American University who has served as an expert witness in more than 75 voting rights and redistricting cases, says that in Texas primaries, Hispanic voters almost always choose white candidates over black ones and blacks choose whites over Hispanics.

...Steven Malanga argues that growing Hispanic penetration into traditionally black areas is producing dangerous tensions, from political rivalry to gang violence. He suggests that black politicians could soon be forced to take a more adversarial position in debates over immigration...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackhusseinobama; barackobama; blacks; blackvslatino; hispanics; immigration; latinovsblack; minorities; minority; obama; race; racerelations; races; racial; racism; racist; racists

1 posted on 03/01/2008 2:19:06 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Hispanics feel the same as Angelos do about the beast , for the same reasons . To suggest otherwise is ethnocentric ignorance and bigotry .
2 posted on 03/01/2008 2:25:59 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: shrinkermd
"black politicians could soon be forced to take a more adversarial position in debates over immigration..."

That would be a good thing. But neither party would support their views.

3 posted on 03/01/2008 2:27:33 PM PST by isrul
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To: kbennkc
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4 posted on 03/01/2008 2:27:52 PM PST by Tex Pete (Obama for change: from our pockets, our piggy banks, and our couch cushions)
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To: shrinkermd

The reason is Hispanics are frequently the victims of black criminals and they associate all blacks together.


5 posted on 03/01/2008 2:39:09 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: shrinkermd
In much of the country, blacks are in the position of an established ethnic bloc, and Hispanics are the arrivistes. Black population is largely static, while Hispanics are growing rapidly. Blacks are likely to be the most immediate losers when Hispanic immigrants take low-wage jobs. Indeed, Fernando Guerra says that he doesn’t blame black voters who fear Hispanic inroads. “There really is a loss,” he points out. “It’s measurable.” At the very least, the idea of a kinship of the oppressed, which Jesse Jackson promoted under the banner of the Rainbow Coalition, is plainly a chimera.

...along with the difference between someone of an "established" ethic bloc and someone of a non-"established" ethnic bloc.
6 posted on 03/01/2008 2:42:57 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: kbennkc
You wrote: Hispanics feel the same as Angelos do about the beast , for the same reasons.

Either I misunderstand your post, or that is shameful and disgusting racism.
7 posted on 03/01/2008 3:00:56 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: kbennkc
Hispanics feel the same as Angelos do about the beast

I thought You were the beast?

8 posted on 03/01/2008 3:43:13 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: shrinkermd

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals)

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here


9 posted on 03/01/2008 7:45:47 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: shrinkermd
It comes as no surprise that black voters prefer Obama or that women prefer Clinton.

It's old women who perfer Hillary. Over 50. Young liberal women perfer Obama.

10 posted on 03/02/2008 1:08:19 PM PST by GOPJ (Do the editors of the L.A. Times realize that illegal immigration is, you know, illegal? Patterico)
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