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State to ban plastic bags by 2009
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Posted on 03/01/2008 7:38:27 PM PST by Sub-Driver

State to ban plastic bags by 2009

March 02, 2008 01:53pm Article from: AAP

FREE single-use plastic bags will be banned in South Australia by the end of the year, regardless of whether the Federal Government moves on the issue, Premier Mike Rann said today.

"We started the anti-plastic bag fight and we're pushing ahead regardless of whether a nationally consistent approach is agreed to in the meantime," Mr Rann said.

Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett said in January he would pursue the issue nationally by the end of this year, either by imposing a levy on bags or banning them completely.

Environment ministers from around the nation will meet in Melbourne in April to discuss a national approach.

The SA Government today said legislation was being drafted to ban the bags from January 1, 2009, and would be introduced to State Parliament next month.

"The time has come to lead by example and I am urging all states to follow this important step in ridding our environment of these bags that contribute to greenhouse gases, clog up landfill, litter our streets and streams as well as kill sea life," Mr Rann said.

"A ban in our state alone could see almost 400 million less plastic bags entering the SA waste and litter streams every year.

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1 posted on 03/01/2008 7:38:28 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

They’ll get my plastic bags when they pry them from my cold dead fingers.


2 posted on 03/01/2008 7:40:34 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Sub-Driver
...that contribute to greenhouse gases...

Doesn't everything worth having and doing?

3 posted on 03/01/2008 7:44:09 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Sub-Driver
....these bags that contribute to greenhouse gases

OK, I give up. How exactly do they contribute to green house gases?
I can agree with the landfil theory, but what the heck does green house gases have to do with it?

4 posted on 03/01/2008 7:47:30 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()... Cevapi & Slivovitz for everyone....()
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To: Sub-Driver
Believe, Mike Rann is a complete idiot and an empty suit. Unfortunately, the opposition is very weak.
5 posted on 03/01/2008 7:50:58 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: ThreePuttinDude

The gas bags in the legislature contribute far more.


6 posted on 03/01/2008 7:51:08 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: ThreePuttinDude

They probably mean the manufacturing of them. The civilized world has gone mad.


7 posted on 03/01/2008 7:52:15 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: ThreePuttinDude

I’m guessing only if you burn them...


8 posted on 03/01/2008 7:52:17 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: ThreePuttinDude

“OK, I give up. How exactly do they contribute to green house gases?
I can agree with the landfil theory, but what the heck does green house gases have to do with it?”

It’s how much energy goes into the design, manufacture and shipping of these bags that they are talking about. Personally I hate those stupid little plastic bags and I will be happy when they are gone. I shopped in a grocery store where you bought these green plastic tubs that fit into special carts.You brought them in with you, filled them to shop, then took them home. It worked out great and there weren’t any bags to deal with. Also, you weighed your own produce and got a scanner sticker- so you didn’t need those produce bags either.


9 posted on 03/01/2008 7:52:50 PM PST by bigred41
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

Oh, that’s probably it. But then, EVERYTHING that is made of plastic should be banned, by that logic.


10 posted on 03/01/2008 7:52:58 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: bigred41

Trader Joe’s around here still uses only paper, which I much prefer over those dumb plastic bags that don’t hold much before they rip. Killing trees vs. filling landfills with plastic...guess you can’t win, huh?


11 posted on 03/01/2008 7:56:11 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

San Francisco made plastic bags mandatory. Just sayin’...


12 posted on 03/01/2008 7:57:58 PM PST by claudiustg (We're Whiggin' out!)
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To: Sub-Driver
My husband and I drove from Louisiana to Montana for Christmas and it never ceases to amaze me that there are plastic bags and styrofoam dishes caught in every fence along every mile of the entire trip.

They could stop making the darn things tomorrow and I can't imagine why I would care.

I do find it confusing though that the same enviro-wackos that insisted we save the trees and quit using paper bags are now the most upset about the plastic ones.

Which also reminds me that the global warming nutcases were the same ones telling us back in the 70's that we were going to freeze to death in 25 years.

13 posted on 03/01/2008 7:58:19 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: bigred41
"Also, you weighed your own produce and got a scanner sticker- so you didn’t need those produce bags either."

I hate plastic bags and I never put my produce in one of those bags. I don't understand why the checkers always look at me like I did something wrong ... at least they don't have to look through the bag and try to figure out which picture it matches on the dummy sheet.

14 posted on 03/01/2008 8:00:49 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
.....gas bags in the legislature

LOL, good one

15 posted on 03/01/2008 8:02:29 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()... Cevapi & Slivovitz for everyone....()
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

What do you put you seafood in when you buy fish, etc at the fish market? That is going to be a big problem here as many people eat seafood and we have a lot of local seafood sellers.


16 posted on 03/01/2008 8:03:10 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

What do you put you seafood in when you buy fish, etc at the fish market? That is going to be a big problem here as many people eat seafood and we have a lot of local seafood sellers.


17 posted on 03/01/2008 8:03:15 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: ThreePuttinDude; Gabz

“...but what the heck does green house gases have to do with it?”

Plastic is made from Petroleum. It’s all of the same cloth; anything these Enviro Gnatzies want to ban goes back to Fossil Fuels and their insane hatred for Big Oil.

And their endless NEED to meddle and to tell the rest of us how to live.


18 posted on 03/01/2008 8:04:33 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

The other day I noticed at the Wal-Mart I work at they took out the Pepsi can machine. Coke had already taken their can machines and replaced them with bottle machines. We still have the ones in the back. Also the sam’s choice can machines in the front. I don’t know for sure if Pepsi is taking it out permanetly or not. Coke took their can machines out a several months ago. I find it ironic, especially with Wal-Mart on their green kick and the idiots with complaining about plastic water bottles. OY VEY!!!


19 posted on 03/01/2008 8:04:52 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside
....the manufacturing of them

How much petroleum would be saved by eliminating these bags?
Would it be measurable? Just a query by an uninformed observer...

20 posted on 03/01/2008 8:07:28 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()... Cevapi & Slivovitz for everyone....()
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To: Sub-Driver; Conspiracy Guy; anymouse
Time to start hording plastic bags !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21 posted on 03/01/2008 8:08:50 PM PST by BellStar (In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you Obama!)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Don’t know. Probably not much though.


22 posted on 03/01/2008 8:16:00 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: Aussiebabe
I don't buy fish (we catch ours), but I remember the days when they wrapped fish in newsprint and put it in a paper bag. I do buy fresh shrimp regularly, but I take a cooler to carry them home.
23 posted on 03/01/2008 8:21:23 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
We could always start making them from.....CORN!
24 posted on 03/01/2008 8:21:43 PM PST by digger48 (http://prorev.com/legacy.htm)
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To: bigred41

Are you sure you are in the right place?


25 posted on 03/01/2008 8:27:04 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Sub-Driver

Compared to paper grocery bags, plastic grocery bags consume 40 percent less energy, generate 80 percent less solid waste, produce 70 percent fewer atmospheric emissions, and release up to 94 percent fewer waterborne wastes.


26 posted on 03/01/2008 8:33:20 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Sub-Driver

The ban is silly, but I would have no problem with a levy on the bags — provided that you get that money back when you return them for recycling. That’s the second most old-fashioned system for conserving resources: Deposit and return. The most old-fashioned is to reuse.

In my kitchen, I have my bag of bags. They’re handy — I can use them as trash bags in the car, or if I want to use them to bring books or CDs to a friend, or I can take them to Sam’s Club, where they don’t bag things for you. Or if I want to send something fragile, I can use them as packing materials. No point sending something useful to the landfill, especially when they don’t really take up any space.

I’m not saying that should be the law, but it’s a good idea and not much effort.


27 posted on 03/01/2008 8:33:27 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ThreePuttinDude

Everything contributes to green house gasses. It’s the latest fad.

You’re just not hip and cool if you don’t find a greenhouse link to anything you’re talking about.


28 posted on 03/01/2008 8:39:20 PM PST by kenth
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
There is only one thing to do, ban all manufacturing, period. That will give us a clear shot at controlling flatuance, which I believe is causing the planet to tilt and contributes to the sharp rise in ‘Obama Mania’ thereby...............
29 posted on 03/01/2008 8:47:19 PM PST by Eighth Square
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Putting them on newsprint is very unhealthy (ink, etc). They could go back to coated paper (but that is probably even more environmentally unfriendly). I don’t think it is practical for everyone who goes to the seafood market to bring a cooler along with them, but maybe that is what will happen.
30 posted on 03/01/2008 8:49:33 PM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: Aussiebabe
Don't get me wrong ... I'm not advocating banning the bags, but it wouldn't bother me a bit if they did. There are those who might need them and I don't have a problem with that.

After seeing them by the thousands while crossing the country, I certainly wish that folks wouldn't throw them out everywhere. They are ugly and they aren't going anywere soon. At least paper would have begun to break down.

On the newsprint issue, it is my understanding that the soy-based inks that are being utilized quite a bit here are not toxic, but I could be wrong.

31 posted on 03/01/2008 8:55:33 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside
Coke had already taken their can machines and replaced them with bottle machines.

Why they do that? Aluminum can recycling is far more efficient than glass recycling.

32 posted on 03/01/2008 9:05:19 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

glass? the bottles are plastic LOL!!!


33 posted on 03/01/2008 9:15:03 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: Sub-Driver

Dang! Those little plastic bags have lots of uses like trash can liners and scooping up kitty poop. And that’s just two.


34 posted on 03/01/2008 9:16:24 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: hinckley buzzard

and to answer your question, I don’t no why they did that.


35 posted on 03/01/2008 9:16:36 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I do find it confusing though that the same enviro-wackos that insisted we save the trees and quit using paper bags are now the most upset about the plastic ones.

Things aren't static. First, growing pulp lumber has gotten far more efficient. Drive through South Georgia, and you'll see pines treated like any other crop -- this year's trees are harvested and replanted, and the same for other trees on other lots next year.

A bigger change is that paper recycling has become far more efficient and more commonplace. Cheap paper like newsprint is almost all recycled fiber these days. Brown paper bags and brown boxes do away with bleaching and are more environmentally friendly.

Paper recycling comes in two forms -- first, cutting scraps are gathered and fed back into the pulper instead of swept up and thrown out -- second, more and more shipping boxes, paper bags and so on are collected for recycling. Look at the bottom of a recycled paper bag -- you'll usually see a % of recycled content and a separate % of post-consumer waste.

Plastic bags take more energy and water to manufacture, not to mention diverting petroleum from the fuel stream when it's not exactly available in surplus. recycling them is less efficient. And when they do get to the landfill, they don't degrade.

In short, the issue isn't that environmentalists changed their position on a whim -- the parameters have changed. The same way there's now a rift among environmentalists between the folks who still believe that nuclear waste is still the more dire threat, and those who now support nuclear power in the belief that gas emissions are the greater threat.

I believe that conservation is a conservative value -- waste is waste, whether it's taxpayer funds or scarce natural resources. I do not support hysterical, draconian measures with little real scientific basis, but if it costs a few pennies more, takes a few minutes more, to live in a way that is more sustainable in the long term, it's worth doing. While government mandates are clearly overreaching, it's something we ought to be trying.

36 posted on 03/01/2008 9:18:49 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Sub-Driver

Coming soon to Maryland, California, Minnesota, etc.


37 posted on 03/01/2008 9:22:10 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cloverfield 2008! Why vote for a lesser monster?)
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To: ReignOfError
"I believe that conservation is a conservative value -- waste is waste, whether it's taxpayer funds or scarce natural resources. I do not support hysterical, draconian measures with little real scientific basis, but if it costs a few pennies more, takes a few minutes more, to live in a way that is more sustainable in the long term, it's worth doing."

I agree.

38 posted on 03/01/2008 9:25:42 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Aussiebabe

Regular thick butcher paper works just fine.


39 posted on 03/01/2008 9:31:49 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

I don’t know if replacing can machines with bottle machines is an environmental question or a consumer preference question. Bottles are resealable; cans aren’t. While a can just sits there and goes flat, tou can put the cap back on the bottle.

When I’m on long road trips, I usually have two opened soda bottles at a time; one is in the cup-holder. When it gets warm, I put it back in the cooler and pull out the cold one. When that one goes warm, I swap again. Can’t do that with cans.

Part of the “problem” is that aluminum recycling has become almost too efficient — used to be, you could pick up a fair piece of change for your old cans. But now most Al is recycled, and it goes for pennies a pound. Most of the money you get for bulk aluminum these days is subsidized, because it’s cheaper for local governments to offer the subsidy than to make space in landfills.


40 posted on 03/01/2008 9:33:41 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError
"The ban is silly, but I would have no problem with a levy on the bags — provided that you get that money back when you return them for recycling"

A hunnert of 'em weigh about an ounce, cost a penny/100 to produce.

41 posted on 03/01/2008 9:34:25 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: ReignOfError
Good explanation of the changes to paper bags.

I well remember the “Switch to Plastic Bags” wars of the 70’s where is was very un-PC to support paper bags. Landfill problems, water pollution and general efficiency were the buzz words from 30 years ago.

Now the worm turns on plastic bags.

I suspected that the oil lobby funded the enviro-wackos to oppose paper bags.

Would not be surprised if the paper lobby was funding this current waste of newspaper.

42 posted on 03/01/2008 9:35:31 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Aussiebabe
<Putting them on newsprint is very unhealthy (ink, etc). They could go back to coated paper (but that is probably even more environmentally unfriendly).

How about butcher paper? Nowadays, that's a craft store item, but it got its name for a reason. No coatings, no ink, no bleaching.

43 posted on 03/01/2008 9:36:11 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: texas booster
I well remember the “Switch to Plastic Bags” wars of the 70’s where is was very un-PC to support paper bags. Landfill problems, water pollution and general efficiency were the buzz words from 30 years ago.

I remember some of that, but only dimly -- I was pretty young at the time. The paper industry adapted. I can remember when recycled paper was a fringe product, expensive, and it was pretty awful. It was gray, inconsistent, and tended to rip at pencil point. People only bought it too make a point.

Now, if you look at any paper product, almost all have some recycled content. It's become routine, and it's become more efficient due to better technology and larger scale. Recycled paper isn't just for hippies any more -- just check that ream of copier paper you got from Staples.

I suspected that the oil lobby funded the enviro-wackos to oppose paper bags.

I wouldn't be surprised. There are all sort of subtle lobbying games that we don't hear about.

44 posted on 03/01/2008 10:01:00 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

I never thought of consumer prefrence. I do usually by a pepsi bottle, so I have enough to wash down my food with. Maybe they are not making enough money off of the cans to justify having them in the front of the store. We still have them in the back next to our break room. I can see most wanting to buy the cans with their lunch instead to save money.


45 posted on 03/01/2008 11:14:29 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: bigred41; RepublitarianRoger2
I agree with you -- non-decomposable plastic bags are a menace. Other stuff made from plastic isn't so quickly disposed (eg. say a bucket is used for years) -- plastic bags due to their convenience get thrown out and become an eyesore on the landscape for years.

On the other hand, I've been hearing about these plastics created from corn-oil that degrade in 3 to 6 months. That sounds good.
46 posted on 03/01/2008 11:22:37 PM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2; bigred41
Trader Joe’s around here still uses only paper, which I much prefer over those dumb plastic bags that don’t hold much before they rip. Killing trees vs. filling landfills with plastic...guess you can’t win, huh?

Not really, you have a third option -- getcher own bag -- even if you have a reusable, tougher plastic bag that you use for a couple of dozen grocery runs, that's good.
47 posted on 03/01/2008 11:23:53 PM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Aussiebabe
What do you put you seafood in when you buy fish, etc at the fish market?

butter paper.
48 posted on 03/01/2008 11:25:07 PM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside; RepublitarianRoger2

Glass bottles are a good idea — you can recycle those easily


49 posted on 03/01/2008 11:26:38 PM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: ReignOfError
The ban is silly, but I would have no problem with a levy on the bags — provided that you get that money back when you return them for recycling. That’s the second most old-fashioned system for conserving resources: Deposit and return. The most old-fashioned is to reuse.

Aye, but you're one of the sensible ones. I have libertarian tendencies, like a country where govt stays out of your nose, but that would only work when everyone is like-minded and civic-minded . You have too many ppl who would refuse to get their own back or reuse their plastic bags. A deposit sounds like a very good idea.
50 posted on 03/01/2008 11:29:18 PM PST by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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