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It's all over but the crying for Hillary
Edmonton Sun ^ | Sun, March 2, 2008 | LISA VAN DUSEN

Posted on 03/02/2008 5:19:00 AM PST by COUNTrecount

There was a moment toward the end of the Democratic presidential debate in Cleveland last Tuesday when it was easy to feel sorry for Hillary Clinton.

The former First Lady hadn't done much since the top of the show to endear herself to anyone who wasn't already voting for her, what with the health care hectoring and the whining about always going first and the old evil eye trick.

But as Barack Obama was talking about how Mrs. Clinton doesn't owe anyone an explanation as to why she's a worthy opponent, the sad reality of Hillary Clinton's predicament conjured a fleeting wave of sympathy.

Mrs. Clinton's careening campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination is already shaping up to be the most thoroughly autopsied in the history of modern democracy and the body's not even horizontal yet, much less cold.

While superdelegates madly plot to find a "Here's your husband, what's your hurry?" strategy for getting the Clintons to go away quietly without resorting to a stun gun and a net if she loses both Texas and Ohio March 4, the campaign forensics nuts (including yours truly), are already arguing over the COD.

Under the original Clinton campaign plan, the first week of March after Super Tuesday would have weeded out the last of the also-rans, including that silver-tongued pain-in-the-ass Obama. Mrs. Clinton would now be reminding Americans of how crumbly and corrupt and hotheaded John McCain is. Instead, she's still trying to convince Democrats that Barack Obama should be ashamed of himself.

INCONSISTENT MESSAGE

Much of the premature Monday morning strategizing about the Clinton campaign (it ain't over 'til March 5 and just maybe, if she wins somewhere, anywhere, March 4, not even then) focuses on the wildly inconsistent message, the Bill factor, the fundraising incompetence, the overspending.

But every one of those issues is really about arrogance: We don't need a message, we're running as the incumbent; we have one of the most popular presidents in history as our understudy; and we don't need little-people money, we have wealthy friends who'll buy access.

The Clinton campaign was run from right out of the gate as though it were just an unseemly formality, an inconvenient hurdle between the Clintons and their right to recapture a legacy tragically derailed by what Mrs. Clinton euphemistically called in an interview last week with a Christian broadcaster, "What happened during the '90s."

Senator Clinton and her braintrust never took Barack Obama seriously as a threat, despite all the signs after his 2004 Democratic convention speech that everyone else in Washington did. Which may mean that the one-way conversation they had with the American people about race before both New Hampshire and South Carolina was just the retail manifestation of a cherished article of faith; that many Americans wouldn't vote for a black presidential candidate.

RACIAL CODE

Maybe that's why much of what was said by Hillary and Bill in January smacked of racial code intended to remind Americans that they were seriously contemplating doing precisely that, as though it hadn't dawned on them already.

At the same time, Bill Clinton knew a star when he saw one because he'd been one himself. The former president wistfully told a New Hampshire crowd the day before the primary, "I can't make her younger, taller, male . . . there's a lot of things I can't do." In other words, not only is she no me, but if people want change so badly they're willing to vote for a black man, then we're cooked because he's got everything else going for him, too.

They never had a strategy beyond riding back into town on a wave of Clinton nostalgia, female pride in a historic first and Bush fatigue, and they never had a ground strategy beyond Super Tuesday. The flailing that has filled the vacuum since then has been so weird at times that Mrs. Clinton has looked more like Wile E. Coyote trying to outwit the Roadrunner with yet another Acme just-add-water contraption than the hare sleeping on the roadside as the tortoise coasts by.

In a different world, Hillary Clinton would have been the renegade, the change agent and the historic first. In this world, Obama decided to run for president this time. That she didn't see him coming may say more about her judgment, her experience and who she is than just about anything else she's ever done.


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KEYWORDS: 2008; blowingit; choke; dyingcampaign; hillary; hillbilly08
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1 posted on 03/02/2008 5:19:01 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount

Unfortunately. The rumors of her political death are greatly exaggerated.


2 posted on 03/02/2008 5:22:54 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

We can only hope!


3 posted on 03/02/2008 5:25:43 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"The rumors of her political death are greatly exaggerated.

Agree. I believe the Obama train hits the weak bridge this Tuesday and she takes it all the way from there. I cannot see them allowing him to win.

4 posted on 03/02/2008 5:26:37 AM PST by n230099 ("If you don't blame the camera for porn, then don't blame the gun for shootings". (Unknown))
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To: DooDahhhh

Sorry hope is a copyright held by the Obama 08 campaign. :)


5 posted on 03/02/2008 5:27:15 AM PST by xp38
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To: COUNTrecount

bttt


6 posted on 03/02/2008 5:28:34 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: DooDahhhh

Sorry, O’bama owns all the rights to HOPE. So we can’t have HOPE without paying a royalty. But do not despair, we will have CHANGE. Pennys, nickels, dimes, and a quarter or two.


7 posted on 03/02/2008 5:28:42 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: COUNTrecount
Mrs. Clinton would now be reminding Americans of how crumbly and corrupt and hotheaded John McCain is.

As if it might actually require the sorry likes of a Hillary Clinton -- or pretty much anybody with a working IQ appreciably above ambient room temperature or thereabouts, really -- to effectively accomplish THAT much, between now and 11/07.

8 posted on 03/02/2008 5:29:02 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("John McCain is to conservatism what Cindy Sheehan is to the Miss Universe Pageant.")
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To: COUNTrecount

Obama knocked Clinton off her game plan 2 years ago.

He announced early. She intended to wait until much later, to save resources.

His announcement forced her into the race last January 2007.

The upstart-Obama had the audicity to continue to challenge her! How dare he???!!!??? Didn’t he read the memo that she was the presumptive inevitable????

Instead of withdrawing, Obama continued to challenge. A few early wins put him close to even with her. She won a couple. Obama bounced back, took the lead, and has maintained it for 11 primaries.

Clinton expected no serious Democratic challenge 2 years ago. Even then she perceived Obama as an exuberent young politician who was jumping in to ‘the big one’ way too early in his career. He surprised her. He got on a roll and picked up steam, as she lost steam.

Obama knocked Clinton off her game plan, and she never fully recovered. She never could find a way to actually combat him. Ole BJ-the-first-black-president ended up hurting, more than helping, her.


9 posted on 03/02/2008 5:29:07 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: n230099

Probably so.


10 posted on 03/02/2008 5:29:37 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: COUNTrecount

Is this going to end like the “Crying Game”?


11 posted on 03/02/2008 5:30:32 AM PST by P.O.E. (Thank God for every morning.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Don’t kid yourself. The Beast from the East is all but done.

In other words, she’s ‘forked’.


12 posted on 03/02/2008 5:30:33 AM PST by mkjessup (Famous 'Rat Initials: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ .... to be followed by *B.O.* ?!? - I don't think so!! LOL)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I figured out the “hope” change” gimmick from the first speech of his that I heard. What is wrong with these air heads that they would believe that it meant something????


13 posted on 03/02/2008 5:31:20 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: mkjessup

I’m gonna wait till her feet curl and legs disappear under a house before i believe it


14 posted on 03/02/2008 5:32:35 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I forsee a last minute “surprise” coming out tomorrow night. Something that would paint Obama in the worst possible way.


15 posted on 03/02/2008 5:33:14 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("Don't give up your ideals, don't compromise, don't turn to expediency..."Ronald Reagan, 1976)
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To: mkjessup

What are the Vegas odds as of today? Over/under on Hitlary, BO, McCain?


16 posted on 03/02/2008 5:34:22 AM PST by COBOL2Java ("McCain is a war hero. He's also a useful idiot for the Democrats." - Mark Levin)
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To: mkjessup

I hope you’re right. Let’s discuss it again Wednesday morning.


17 posted on 03/02/2008 5:35:41 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: COUNTrecount

Referring to Bill, “... one of the most popular presidents in history as our understudy”

Really? By what measure?


18 posted on 03/02/2008 5:35:41 AM PST by paul544 (3D-Joy OH Boy!!!)
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To: xp38

Dang. You beat me too it and I didn’t know because I was replying to several threads.


19 posted on 03/02/2008 5:36:57 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: COUNTrecount

Clinton committed one big mistake: she kept morphing into different characters.

Like Gore reinventing himself half-a-dozen times and Kerry reintroducing himself over and over, Clinton couldn’t decide on who she was or would be.

She morphed from tough to whiny to blaming the media, playing the race card, playing the gender card, turning teary-eyed — three times (hey, it worked the first time), cacking, screeching in speeches. She was all over the place.


20 posted on 03/02/2008 5:38:23 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

agreed. The early entrance into the race doomed Hillary.


21 posted on 03/02/2008 5:39:22 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: COUNTrecount
..strategy for getting the Clintons to go away quietly without resorting to a stun gun and a net..

LOL

22 posted on 03/02/2008 5:40:12 AM PST by Jorge
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To: COUNTrecount
Heck the accidents and suicides haven't even started happening... YET...

The Queen of Hearts.. will deal with the Mad Hatters Turbin in good time..

23 posted on 03/02/2008 5:40:46 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

The MSM has turned on her and now freely writes very negative articles on her and BJ and the “legacy”.If she wins she’ll have to spend her first four years killing all of them.I doubt that they’d take that chance if they didn’t think she was going to lose. BIG TIME.


24 posted on 03/02/2008 5:41:33 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount

Thing is, she has seriously damaged the Clinton brand the way she’s run her campaign, and she’s gotten easier to beat if she wins the nod. The members of the VRWC never liked her, of course, but now there is a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy that hates her guts too. That would cost her, big time. And I can see a lot of moderates and independents going for McCain before they go for her.


25 posted on 03/02/2008 5:41:41 AM PST by sagmanagain (Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.)
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To: COUNTrecount

I consider myself to be somewhat compassionate. But it is all but impossible to feel sorry for Hillary.


26 posted on 03/02/2008 5:42:09 AM PST by Space Moose
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To: DooDahhhh

To democrats words are just lyrics. The human part of the melody. They don’t hear the words or understand their meaning. They just like the sound..

CCR sings “There’s a bad moon on the rise”
Dems Hear “There’s the bathroom on the right”

Hendrix sings “Scuse me while I kiss the sky”
Dems Hear “Scuse me while I kiss this guy”

Sir Elton sings “Hold me closer tiny dancer”
Dems Hear “Hold me closer Tony Danza”

These are just a few examples of why it is futile to attempt to discuss real issues with Dems. Words mean nothing.


27 posted on 03/02/2008 5:43:08 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: COUNTrecount
Frank Luntz just told the Friends that if Mrs. Clinton wins Ohio, like Groundhog Day, the Dems will see six more weeks of campaigning. He says it’s going all the way to PA. Frank also gushed over Mrs. Clinton’s SNL performance—the audience just LOVED it (he was there).
28 posted on 03/02/2008 5:43:27 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: TomGuy

Obama is likable as a person. Hillary is not.


29 posted on 03/02/2008 5:43:39 AM PST by tips up
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To: paul544

The author does’nt know ANYBODY that did’nt vote for him twice...


30 posted on 03/02/2008 5:46:22 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

It has been happening for several days now. Including Hillary’s appearance on SNL last night showcasing that she is a real person and very likable. I puked. Last night’s show was a follow up tho last weeks show that showcased the kit glove softball treatment for Obama by the MSM.

It aint over till the Shrill Lady sings.


31 posted on 03/02/2008 5:46:42 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: COUNTrecount

It ain’t over until the last ashtray flies.


32 posted on 03/02/2008 5:47:34 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: DooDahhhh
My neice and sister (both of whom hate her guts) will probably vote for her in the Texas open primary on Tuesday. They just want to keep this catfight going.

Since Democrats and the mushy middle picked our nominee, it is only fair that we should have a say in picking theirs.

33 posted on 03/02/2008 5:47:43 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: COUNTrecount

Never forget. “Dewey Wins!”


34 posted on 03/02/2008 5:48:05 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Unfortunately. The rumors of her political death are greatly exaggerated.

Take off your packs and stand at ease Freepers, the pant lady hasn't sung yet. However remember how easily she sheds tears for the 'weaker sex' but she can send your daughters, wives, and sisters to the front line to fight. (women to the front) - she also refuses to show her tax returns; uses corporate jets etc.....the list is long.

35 posted on 03/02/2008 5:48:16 AM PST by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: yoe
Exactly. Cept my wife and daughter despise her.
36 posted on 03/02/2008 5:50:14 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

No. She’s done.

I’m enjoying the infighting as much as anybody, and it would be great entertainment if it continued all the way through the convention.

But it won’t. She’s just going through the motions now. The most the usually-fawning press has been able to do for her lately is spotlight her mediocre “3 A.M.” ad while not telling America it’s a blatant copy of a John McCain internet ad.

If she was really serious about winning Tuesday, she would be taking the fight to Obama — but all she’s been doing is her regular, tired stump speech for increasingly listless crowds.

I think our fun is just about over.

So long, Hillary. We knew you too well.


37 posted on 03/02/2008 5:50:25 AM PST by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
or pretty much anybody with a working IQ appreciably above ambient room ...

LOL! - Judging by the paper thin arguements here in support of St. John, I'd say that you nailed it.


38 posted on 03/02/2008 5:51:29 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: JennysCool
I’d like to agree and I hope my analysis is wrong but please keep reading the thread.
39 posted on 03/02/2008 5:52:47 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Never forget. “Dewey Wins!”

That was before Algore invented the Internets.We get our information differently now.

40 posted on 03/02/2008 5:53:39 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount
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41 posted on 03/02/2008 5:54:03 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: COUNTrecount

I factored that in : )


42 posted on 03/02/2008 5:55:25 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: tips up
Obama is likable as a person. Hillary is not.

That's really her predicament, isn't it? Even among the Dims.

As to Obama, I think he'd be a disaster for the Nation in many ways. But, with BillyJeff, I always said I was ashamed to have a President that I wouldn't invite into my home if he pulled into the driveway.

I would never vote for him, but I just don't feel that way about Obama. It's not a personal, deep in the gut, disgusted beyond all belief, revulsion.

43 posted on 03/02/2008 5:55:42 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: sagmanagain
Thing is, she has seriously damaged the Clinton brand

I was thinking about that the other day. Before this train wreck of a campaign, both Bill and Hillary commanded big advances from publishers and big fees for speeches.

I doubt that's going to continue. Now I think they've finally gone and done what I'm sure they thought was impossible: overexposed themselves to the point that America is just plain tired of them.

44 posted on 03/02/2008 5:57:56 AM PST by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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To: JennysCool

JC, careful what you wish for....I’ve been fighting against HRC from the early days - but now I’ve met Michelle Obama, one angry Socialist radical pushing black woman who is smarter than HRC and more determined...........heaven help us, are we in for a Twofer again?


45 posted on 03/02/2008 5:58:13 AM PST by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I thought about it and she actually did a lead in to her SNL appearance at the debate.
46 posted on 03/02/2008 5:58:21 AM PST by fatima
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To: Vigilanteman

I will bet that ole Hildabeast will try to say that the Republicans were messing with their primaries and try to throw the vote out if she looses. My interest is that she is out no matter what. We can deal with the other guy later. If I never saw Bill Clinton again, That would be fantastic!


47 posted on 03/02/2008 5:58:54 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: fatima
Yep. I’ll remain cautiously optimistic of her demise.
48 posted on 03/02/2008 6:00:54 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Don’t worry it’s just part of the VRWC....GMTA and all that. :)


49 posted on 03/02/2008 6:02:50 AM PST by xp38
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To: yoe
...........heaven help us, are we in for a Twofer again?

I think we are and Michelle really is one angry woman! She's more "Hillary" than Hillary herself!

In fact, I'm hoping that ol' Michelle will be Barack Hussein's downfall (as I think we can beat Hillary easier than we can beat Obama).

50 posted on 03/02/2008 6:05:06 AM PST by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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