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Chavez orders troops to Colombian border (10 battalions, WAR?)
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Posted on 03/02/2008 10:35:00 AM PST by MeanGreen2008

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez is sending 10 battalions of troops to country's border with Colombia.

He's also ordered the Venezuelan embassy in Bogota closed and say all embassy personnel will be withdrawn from Colombia.

The announcements by Venezuela's leftist leader pushed relations with its neighbor to their tensest point of his 9-year presidency.

Chavez is also warning that Colombia could spark a war in South America, calling its U.S.-allied government "a terrorist state" and labeling President Alvaro Uribe (oo-REE'-bay) "a criminal."


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KEYWORDS: battalion; battalions; chavez; colombia; commie; coward; hugochavez; kneejerk; posturing; psycho; venezuela; venezuelantroops
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1 posted on 03/02/2008 10:35:02 AM PST by MeanGreen2008
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To: MeanGreen2008

Crazy communist maniac.


2 posted on 03/02/2008 10:36:43 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: MeanGreen2008

Hope people like $6.00/gal gasoline.


3 posted on 03/02/2008 10:38:09 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: MeanGreen2008

The US military might have to take five minutes from its other duties to smash this lunatic.


4 posted on 03/02/2008 10:38:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance (McCain supporters: "We have nothing to offer but fear itself!")
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To: EagleUSA

Hmm, something tell me that the US advisors there to help in the drug war are going to be reassigned to other nonassigned duties.


5 posted on 03/02/2008 10:39:01 AM PST by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: MeanGreen2008

And remember when Pat Robertson was chastised for his opinion on Hugo?


6 posted on 03/02/2008 10:39:13 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: MeanGreen2008

Well, if your economy is tanking, you need an external enemy to focus the anger of the population on. That’s why economies at war do so well. The people are willing to make sacrifices for victory, which might be greater than the sacrifices they would be unwilling to make for a tyrant. It has the potential to get interesting.


7 posted on 03/02/2008 10:39:31 AM PST by webheart
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To: MeanGreen2008

Wow ..


8 posted on 03/02/2008 10:40:17 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: webheart

Doesn’t seem to work in North America.


9 posted on 03/02/2008 10:41:07 AM PST by mtnwmn (mtnwmn)
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To: MeanGreen2008

Lets not get carried away. Moving tanks & troops to the border doesn’t mean they are ever going to cross the border. It’s probably just a lot of bluster.


10 posted on 03/02/2008 10:43:10 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: MeanGreen2008

War is always a convenient excuse for shortages and hardship.


11 posted on 03/02/2008 10:43:21 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Three more days of Clinton II.)
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To: MeanGreen2008

Warm up the B-52s and B-1s and B-2s...... crush Hugo’s army and his bloated posturing will collapse like the farcical fraud that he is.....


12 posted on 03/02/2008 10:43:36 AM PST by Enchante (Obama: I'll eagerly kiss Castro's cold dead ass, that's my foreign policy!!)
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To: rbmillerjr

Hmm, something tell me that the US advisors there to help in the drug war are going to be reassigned to other nonassigned duties.
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That scumbag should be taken out like Noriega was taken out. And like Castro should have been taken out decades ago.


13 posted on 03/02/2008 10:43:45 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: MeanGreen2008

Columbia fighting a proxy war?


14 posted on 03/02/2008 10:44:33 AM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: SoldierDad
Hope people like $6.00/gal gasoline.

It would be worth it to stabilize the region after monkey boy is ousted

15 posted on 03/02/2008 10:45:46 AM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: MeanGreen2008

"TO WAR, TO WAR...WE'RE FINALLY GOING TO WAR!"

16 posted on 03/02/2008 10:46:25 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: Enchante

Just let his own people at him, they’ll do the job with the right “tools!”


17 posted on 03/02/2008 10:46:32 AM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: SoldierDad
Hope people like $6.00/gal gasoline.

When it gets there, it would sort of regain parity with the $1.25 daily price of The New York Times. (When I was in high school, early sixties, the Times cost a nickel and a gallon of gas was a quarter.)

ML/NJ

18 posted on 03/02/2008 10:47:57 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: MeanGreen2008; All
From Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battalion

A battalion is a military unit of around 500-1500 men usually consisting of between two and six companies and typically commanded by a Lieutenant Colonel. Several battalions are grouped to form a regiment or a brigade.

19 posted on 03/02/2008 10:49:37 AM PST by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: maquiladora
Lets not get carried away. Moving tanks & troops to the border doesn’t mean they are ever going to cross the border. It’s probably just a lot of bluster.

For just a moment, imagine 10 battalions of the mexican military sent to our border. How would that strike you?

20 posted on 03/02/2008 10:50:45 AM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Westlander
"And remember when Pat Robertson was chastised for his opinion on Hugo?"

Please refresh my memory. I recall a lot of uproar about what he said - something about assassination? sounds good to me if that was what was said.

21 posted on 03/02/2008 10:51:32 AM PST by texanyankee
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To: MeanGreen2008

Interesting article from a month ago:

“It is clear that neither Venezuela nor Colombia will make the first move or fire the first bullet. But this is where FARC comes into play......

......the possible orchestration of a firefight between the two countries could be sparked with a muzzle flare from a FARC soldier’s rifle.”

“One Colombian soldier is worth three Venezuelan soldiers if it comes to that, but in terms of hardware on paper, Venezuela has the upper hand,” Webb-Vidal said.

And the Colombians know that. Their strength is man-to-man combat and they could weather well a long battle. It is in Chavez’s interests to have a quick strike and as short a conflict as possible, one he desperately needs to present as a defensive move, and one he must present as a win.

The longer the engagement were to last, the bigger the disadvantage for the Venezuelans, especially because Chavez needs to feed the troops.”

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?id=18631


22 posted on 03/02/2008 10:57:00 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: MeanGreen2008
All those South Americans who have been content to laugh with Hugo and prod him on because they like to poke a stick in the US eye can shudder and gulp now as Hugo moves battalions to the Polish...I mean Columbian...border.

The question is, should we help out some of those folks when they start begging for protection from the nutbag or do they have to lie in the bed they made?

Since I admire the Colombians I guess we should probably help them in spite of the sticks in the eye from their neighbors.
23 posted on 03/02/2008 10:57:27 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: MeanGreen2008
Chavez is also warning that Colombia could spark a war in South America, calling its U.S.-allied government "a terrorist state" and labeling President Alvaro Uribe (oo-REE'-bay) "a criminal."

I could see Columbia calling Chavez and his country that, but this one has caught me off guard.

24 posted on 03/02/2008 10:57:40 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MeanGreen2008

Just a thought: Seems I recall a bond between Iranian President Ahm-a-nut-job and Chavez. Is this action of Chavez an attempt to divide our military attentions, and lessen our presence in the Middle East in light of impending defensive actions of our Middle Eastern ally Israel?


25 posted on 03/02/2008 10:58:32 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: processing please hold
For just a moment, imagine 10 battalions of the mexican military sent to our border. How would that strike you?

For a start we don't even know that they have 10 tank battalions. We do know they have about 80 Main Battle Tanks and about 150 Light Tanks which put together couldn't make up 10 tank battalions. And at the moment Chavez has only said on his TV show to the domestic audience that he was sending tanks to the border, there hasn't been any reports which have shown any actually military movement taking place. We've just got to remember that Chavez is a loudmouthed bully that likes making outlandish remarks.

26 posted on 03/02/2008 11:00:20 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: JoeDetweiler
It is in Chavez’s interests to have a quick strike and as short a conflict as possible, one he desperately needs to present as a defensive move, and one he must present as a win.

That would be easier if he were just trying a quick strike as Colombia and their ground troops. But that is unlikely since I suspect it will be hard to make quick work of Colombian ground troops with 200 or 300 US aircraft zipping around bombing the living crap out of your "battalions" while they work.

If Hugo thinks he is gonna conquer Colombia without a US intervention then he really is nuts.
27 posted on 03/02/2008 11:01:54 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: maquiladora
Moving tanks & troops to the border doesn’t mean they are ever going to cross the border. It’s probably just a lot of bluster.

Maybe. Maybe not. That's the whole question, then, isn't it?

What would an insane megalomaniac do with such troops in such a place? It's impossible to say. Problem is, you can't predict what someone will do who has lost control of his senses.

28 posted on 03/02/2008 11:03:57 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: maquiladora
For a start we don't even know that they have 10 tank battalions. We do know they have about 80 Main Battle Tanks and about 150 Light Tanks which put together couldn't make up 10 tank battalions. And at the moment Chavez has only said on his TV show to the domestic audience that he was sending tanks to the border, there hasn't been any reports which have shown any actually military movement taking place. We've just got to remember that Chavez is a loudmouthed bully that likes making outlandish remarks.

The A-10's of the Arkansas National Guard alone can reduce his 230 tanks to about 10 in a day or two at worst. He is not crossing that border unless he really is insane. Because I can guarantee you we will intervene in Colombia's favor no matter how distracted we are elsewhere or how many other wars we have going on.
29 posted on 03/02/2008 11:04:06 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: maquiladora

I said 10 battalions. Period.


30 posted on 03/02/2008 11:04:11 AM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: processing please hold
For just a moment, imagine 10 battalions of the mexican military sent to our border. How would that strike you?

A waste of otherwise fine soldiers? C'mon... Chavez may be crazy, but he's not ~stupid~. :-)

31 posted on 03/02/2008 11:06:00 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: maquiladora
It’s probably just a lot of bluster

Probably, Columbia outspends Venezuela about 2 to 1 in military % of GDP.

So it's highly likely monkey boy will get his ass kicked

32 posted on 03/02/2008 11:06:46 AM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: maquiladora
Is there still a problem with FR?

I had to open on 'my comments' to see my response to you posted.

Refreshing the page didn't help.

33 posted on 03/02/2008 11:07:01 AM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: MeanGreen2008


34 posted on 03/02/2008 11:09:04 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: MeanGreen2008

I am thinking this a good time to put a cruise up his @ss.

Go Hugo!! We will give you some left over virgins.

I hope we have the chance to put a cap in his @ss


35 posted on 03/02/2008 11:10:24 AM PST by SeeRushToldU_So (I can't wait for baseball season to start. Go Braves!)
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To: processing please hold

left out of this discussion is the curious timing. Chavez’s move comes within what? one or two weeks of the official stepping down of Fidel? Just something to consider.


36 posted on 03/02/2008 11:10:36 AM PST by bioqubit
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left out of this discussion is the curious timing. Chavez’s move comes within what? one or two weeks of the official stepping down of Fidel? Just something to consider.

Yes. Thanks for the reminder.

37 posted on 03/02/2008 11:12:39 AM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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ping for future.

Hugo's just an egotistic posturer. This probably is not the first step toward an invasion. If there is war, however, that would stink. There are only so many little wars the United States can take without losing the ability to wage a large war (i.e. against China and Russia, for instance). On the upside, a new war probably would help the Republican nominee, especially if the nominee is McCain.

38 posted on 03/02/2008 11:14:03 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: processing please hold
I said 10 battalions. Period.

True. But it's what Chavez said that counts:

""Mr Defence Minister, move me 10 battalions to the frontier with Colombia immediately, tank battalions," Chavez said on his weekly TV show.

- http://stmarys.yourguide.com.au/news/world/general/chavez-sends-tanks-to-colombia-border/1194373.html

39 posted on 03/02/2008 11:14:24 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: MeanGreen2008; FairOpinion; grjr21; CitadelArmyJag; redwhit; americanbychoice3; Fiddlstix; GWB00; ..

Latin America pinglist ping.


40 posted on 03/02/2008 11:14:42 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: texanyankee

“We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability,” Robertson said Monday on the Christian Broadcast Network’s “The 700 Club.”

“We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator,” he continued. “It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166478,00.html


41 posted on 03/02/2008 11:14:43 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Popman

I’m not talking about an action by the U.S. which will result in the price hike. I’m talking about how the U.S. oil companies will use this incident as another excuse to raise the price of crude due to the “threat” being posed here (threat being anything they can use as a reason for padding their pockets).


42 posted on 03/02/2008 11:15:39 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: mtnwmn

And Venezuela’s economy is growing, not tanking. The economy is underpinned by the oil industry, and oil is becoming costlier and costlier.


43 posted on 03/02/2008 11:16:09 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: MeanGreen2008

This is almost like science in its predicatability. Socialist takes over, installs himself has President for life, nationalizes industries, food shortages arrive, then war. How many times do fools like Sean Penn need to see this happen to predict the outcome?


44 posted on 03/02/2008 11:16:35 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Ramius
I'm having serious issues with my computer.

A waste of otherwise fine soldiers? C'mon... Chavez may be crazy, but he's not ~stupid~. :-)

It's interesting to ponder how his military would look upon this possible invading another country situation. Surely they know that we would come to Columbia's aid. Albeit on the quiet.

45 posted on 03/02/2008 11:16:45 AM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: M203M4

Danny Glover, bottom left.

And who could forget:


46 posted on 03/02/2008 11:17:41 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: maquiladora

Does he have 10 tank battalions do you think? If so, I hope he bought them from Russia. *snicker*


47 posted on 03/02/2008 11:18:24 AM PST by processing please hold ( "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.")
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To: Arkinsaw

Colombia is potentially the closest American ally in all of Latin America. While their neighbors have become more distant from the United States, Colombia is still a steadfast ally. At the least, Congress should approve the free trade deal with the country.


48 posted on 03/02/2008 11:18:50 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: MeanGreen2008
Venezuela’s oil output is declining because its corrupt and inept government has neglected the production infrastructure and chased off foreign companies. With declining revenues, rampant bureaucratic graft and thievery, price controls and other free market suppression, and a social welfare state that grows hourly, Chavez is a candle burning at both ends. He needs foreign boogeymen—the U.S. and Colombia—to blame and distract the masses.

AN EMPTY REVOLUTION
THE UNFULFILLED PROMISES OF HUGO CHAVEZ
Foreign Affairs March/April 2008

By Francisco Rodriguez

Summary: Even critics of Hugo Chavez tend to concede that he has made helping the poor his top priority. But in fact, Chavez’s government has not done any more to fight poverty than past Venezuelan governments, and his much-heralded social programs have had little effect. A close look at the evidence reveals just how much Chavez’s “revolution” has hurt Venezuela’s economy — and that the poor are hurting most of all.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080301faessay87205/francisco-rodriguez/an-empty-revolution.html

49 posted on 03/02/2008 11:19:02 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Arkinsaw

Air Force 2 was in Aruba March 1-2 FWIW.

Source: Diaria newspaper, Aruba


50 posted on 03/02/2008 11:19:16 AM PST by Abby4116
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