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Clinton, Obama Press Ahead As Crucial Tuesday Vote Nears [Obama Says We'd Like His Church]
WSJ ^ | 3/2/08

Posted on 03/02/2008 10:12:10 PM PST by freespirited

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton argued Sunday that her campaign for the White House is "about solutions," not feelings, as she swept through Ohio on an intense push two days before the state's presidential primary.

She told more than 2,000 cheering backers that she wants to solve the economic troubles facing the industrial Midwest.

"For some people this election is about how you feel, it's about speeches," Clinton said. "Well, that's not what it's about for me. It's about solutions...."

Mrs. Clinton focused on her promise to provide health insurance for all, as well as her opposition to trade agreements that she said have drained thousands of jobs from the nation's industrial heartland, including Ohio.

"It's time we looked around and saw what's going on in the rest of Ohio," she said. "We cannot go on like this. It's morally wrong and economically stupid."

After stops in Youngstown, Akron and Cleveland on Sunday, and Toledo on Monday, Clinton was returning to Texas late Monday for rallies in Beaumont and Austin. She also planned a televised town hall to be broadcast statewide in Texas on Monday night. Aides said she would await Tuesday's election returns in Ohio. ...

Meanwhile, Mr. Obama told a town hall meeting Sunday in Nelsonvile, Ohio, that he's tired of questions about his religion.

He said he is a devout Christian who prays to Jesus every night. He told audience members they would feel right at home at his church in Chicago.

Mr. Obama said misinformation -- including long-standing suggestions that he is a Muslim -- is being spread by his opponents.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hillary; jeremiahwright; obama; trinitychurch; tucc
He said he is a devout Christian who prays to Jesus every night. He told audience members they would feel right at home at his church in Chicago.

He's not just dangerous. He's insane.

1 posted on 03/02/2008 10:12:12 PM PST by freespirited
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To: freespirited

the obamaniacs are more insane


2 posted on 03/02/2008 10:17:15 PM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: freespirited

I doubt I’d like his church. I may be a bit too white for the pastor.


3 posted on 03/02/2008 10:19:05 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: kingattax

—”the obamaniacs are more insane “—

Some sound positively hypnotized. Which concerns me much more than the notion of him as President.


4 posted on 03/02/2008 10:20:18 PM PST by moehoward
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To: freespirited

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.


5 posted on 03/02/2008 10:22:43 PM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: freespirited

Shortly after the riots, I visited some black churches to sing in a white choir as a kid (in the South). The old folks in those churches were sweet. That said, Obama’s too far to the left for us. He would serve Hillary’s man-haters, although his concentration on doing so and number of people involved might not be as focused as Hillary’s.

...problem is, McCain would probably also serve their anti-family causes.


6 posted on 03/02/2008 10:23:15 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been)
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To: freespirited
tired of questions about his religion

He'd be a heck of a proselytizer, by golly. Refusing to discuss his faith, and insisting all of us have faith in him and his empty words. A 'devout Christian' seeking glory in the public eye who is 'tired' of talking about his Christianity. Dangerous, insane... watching the sheep spasm and shriek when he speaks... to me he has become the anti messiah.


7 posted on 03/02/2008 10:24:27 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: freespirited
He told audience members they would feel right at home at his church in Chicago

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8 posted on 03/02/2008 10:26:02 PM PST by egginanest ( "Never interrupt me when I'm trying to interrupt you." -Winston Churchill-)
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To: freespirited
He's insane.

Of course he is. The Oprah-cult is giving him a messiah complex. He knows there's no rational basis for this level of "support".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU

He's never done anything. Oh, except this....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1979027/posts
9 posted on 03/02/2008 10:31:03 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: freespirited

"Like his church?"

I am afraid that (according to his own church) I am the "wrong" color to attend.

See the word "white" below?

The word is substituted here - the real word is "Black" and these points come right from Obama's church.

If these racists rants came from a white Presidential candidate, what do you suppose the reaction would be?

______________________________________________________________________________

1. Commitment to God

2. Commitment to the White Community

3. Commitment to the White Family

4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education

5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence

6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic

7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect

8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"

9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community

10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions

11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System

12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

10 posted on 03/02/2008 10:31:24 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: cgk

aka Jim Jones


11 posted on 03/02/2008 10:32:04 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Secret Agent Man

I just had a thought: All males born after December 31, 1959 by law have to register for Selective Service (aka the draft). Do we know if Senator Barack Obama registered? He was born August 4th of 1961. If not, why not?

https://www.sss.gov/Default.htm


12 posted on 03/02/2008 10:32:37 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: freespirited

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ‘’one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.’’
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/03/06/obama_man_of_the_world.php


13 posted on 03/02/2008 10:41:36 PM PST by ari-freedom (Thank you Bill.)
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To: freespirited

Barack Insane Obama.


14 posted on 03/02/2008 10:53:51 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Wee-wee on the French))))
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To: freespirited
"Meanwhile, Mr. Obama told a town hall meeting Sunday in Nelsonvile, Ohio, that he's tired of questions about his religion...He told audience members they would feel right at home at his church in Chicago."

Uhhhhh...okay.

15 posted on 03/03/2008 12:37:50 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Obama’s church is too racist for me. I can see that reverse racism is on the rise now.


16 posted on 03/03/2008 12:43:28 AM PST by tessalu
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To: freespirited

I want the quotes about Obama praying to Jesus every night. I don’t know about Obama’s religion, but my Bible teaches Jesus’ followers to pray to God. “Our Father who art in Heaven . . . deliver us from evil . . . .”


17 posted on 03/03/2008 12:50:31 AM PST by petitfour
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To: freespirited

http://web.archive.org/web/20070105102317/www.tucc.org/about.htm
About Us


We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.


http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm
Dr. Wright’s talking points (3.1.7) for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System (in response to Erik Rush’s comments (2.28.07) on the Hannity and Colmes show):

• One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

• Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.

• I use the word “systematized” because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cone’s book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.

• These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects – not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined “others” as.

• We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like “others” defining themselves.

• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.

• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.

• There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, “Difference does not mean deficience.” It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.

• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.


18 posted on 03/03/2008 1:42:00 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: petitfour
He said he is a devout Christian who prays to Jesus every night.

Izzit just me, or does it seem weird to y'all to say that you pray to Him at night? I do pray to Jesus or to My father at any time, but if you said this in a church (I pray to Jesus every night) it would sound weird. what would sound normal is that "I pray to Jesus in the MORNING."

20 posted on 03/03/2008 1:54:42 AM PST by RedQuill
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To: freespirited

“He told audience members they would feel right at home at his church in Chicago.”

His church gave a huge award to Screwy Louie Farrakhan in late 2007. I’m sure I’d feel right at home there.

His church used to have a pretty blatantly black racist “about” page, which they seem to have removed.

Here is that page, from the Internet Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070315043824/http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Here is the cleaned up version they have now:
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

This page is pretty interesting, too. “Black theology” and “Black liberation theology” indeed:
http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm


21 posted on 03/03/2008 2:10:58 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: bahblahbah

Dang, you beat me to it.

I can’t believe this church and their screwy actions doesn’t get more scrutiny.


22 posted on 03/03/2008 2:12:41 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: ARE SOLE; bahblahbah

That has been cleaned up *considerably* from what used to be on that page in 2007. See my posts and bahblahbah’s post in this thread.


23 posted on 03/03/2008 2:15:53 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: RedQuill

Because somebody had a hissy fit...here is a sermon from Obama’s pastor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYIZs

Transcript:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-message-of-hate-from-obamas-pastor-via-youtube


24 posted on 03/03/2008 2:19:35 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks for tip. I did not know that. It’s bad enough as I posted it.

Regards


25 posted on 03/03/2008 9:43:07 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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