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Rapper 'shocked' by daughter's killing
AP (via Yahoo Music) ^ | 03/01/08

Posted on 03/03/2008 8:05:41 AM PST by MotleyGirl70

The rap star Juvenile is "shocked and devastated" by the shooting death of his young daughter, the girl's mother and another child, his manager said Saturday.

The 32-year-old rapper is still trying to cope with the death of 4-year-old Jelani; her mother, 39-year-old Joy Deleston; and the woman's daughter Micaiah, 11, whose bodies were found Thursday night in their home, said manager Aubrey Francis.

"It really shocked him and devastated him to the point where I've never seen him before," Francis said. "Right now he is relaxing and trying to grasp everything of what has happened."

Meanwhile, 17-year-old Anthony Tyrone Terrell Jr. is being held in the DeKalb County jail, charged in the deaths of his mother — a Gwinnett County sheriff's deputy — and siblings at the home near Lawrenceville, outside Atlanta. He was arrested Friday.

Deleston brought a paternity lawsuit in 2004, claiming that Juvenile, whose real name is Terius Gray, was Jelani's father, Gwinnett County court records show. Both parties later agreed Juvenile was the father.

Juvenile, who is in New Orleans, had been making regular child support payments, Francis said.

In 1998, Juvenile released his third album, "400 Degreez," which sold 4 million copies. At one time he was part of the four-man group The Hotboyz, along with Lil Wayne, Young Turk and B.G.

Attorney Randy Kessler, who represented Juvenile in the paternity suit, said Saturday he had not talked with the rapper about the killings.

"Any time you have a situation like that, it's shocking," Kessler said.

Terrell was taken to jail in neighboring DeKalb County to avoid any potential conflict because Deleston worked for Gwinnett County, said Lawrenceville police spokeswoman Illana Spellman. She could not confirm Friday whether Deleston's service weapon was used.

Because of his age, prosecutors cannot seek the death penalty against Terrell. A preliminary hearing will be set next week in Gwinnett County Superior Court, prosecutor Danny Porter said.

Defense attorney Lyle Porter did not return calls Friday and Saturday.


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1 posted on 03/03/2008 8:05:42 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70

That can’t be good for any [c]rappers “street cred” when your Babiez Momma is a cop.


3 posted on 03/03/2008 8:11:29 AM PST by Sir Hailstone (Target Acquired: Indiana's 7th Congressional District. Vote Jon Elrod for Congress on March 11th)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Looks like someone you’d be proud to know...


4 posted on 03/03/2008 8:11:42 AM PST by Fawn
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To: MotleyGirl70
"It really shocked him and devastated him to the point where I've never seen him before," Francis said. "Right now he is relaxing and trying to grasp everything of what has happened."

He only needs to examine his lifestyle. That would bring understanding. I doubt, however, that the template for accomplishing that examination exists in his mind.

5 posted on 03/03/2008 8:11:50 AM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Sad no matter who that happens to.


6 posted on 03/03/2008 8:12:20 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: MotleyGirl70

A shooting? I’m shocked. I thought Juvenile was like Perry Como to those folks.


7 posted on 03/03/2008 8:12:27 AM PST by Eurale
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To: MotleyGirl70

It’s a tragedy that the innocent kids had to be caught up in this gang-banger lifestyle. But reading the names and relationships of those involved, it’s not shocking to me to see it end this way at all. When the family unit breaks down to this point, it all becomes a Maury/Springer lifestyle and anything goes. Then it’s rule of the streets, where minor disputes get settled by the bullet and the knife.


8 posted on 03/03/2008 8:12:38 AM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Oh, he’s really purdy! Sheesh, what a culture. [shakes head]


9 posted on 03/03/2008 8:13:52 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: MotleyGirl70

I just wonder if he is one of those who RAP about killin Ho’s!


10 posted on 03/03/2008 8:14:06 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Sir Hailstone
It's actually great for street cred.

He was doing to a cop what many of his listeners believe the cops are doing to them.

11 posted on 03/03/2008 8:14:30 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: MotleyGirl70
Is this one of the most poorly written articles of all time, or is it just me?

Meanwhile, 17-year-old Anthony Tyrone Terrell Jr. is being held in the DeKalb County jail, charged in the deaths of his mother — a Gwinnett County sheriff's deputy — and siblings at the home near Lawrenceville, outside Atlanta. He was arrested Friday.

So, this 17 year old shot and killed his mother and 2 half-sisters (maybe one was a full sister, who knows?). One of the little girls happened to have been sired by Juvenile. The mother worked as a sheriff's deputy before her death. Got it.

It had to have been easier to report stories before families got so doggone complicated.

12 posted on 03/03/2008 8:15:15 AM PST by Dianna
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To: MotleyGirl70

“Boy” is accurate.


14 posted on 03/03/2008 8:16:58 AM PST by TADSLOS ( McCain-Feingold: "Good for thee but not for me"- John McCain)
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To: MotleyGirl70

He looks a lot like Ward Cleaver. I bet he never saw his daughter.


15 posted on 03/03/2008 8:17:35 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: ontap
Actually, all of his most popular songs are about getting drunk/high and partying.
16 posted on 03/03/2008 8:18:04 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Another “youngster” no doubt inspired by Juvenile’s lyrics. Doesn’t this sort of thing go with the territory? Gangsta behavior doesn’t seem to bother these people when it’s other people’s families being shot up.


17 posted on 03/03/2008 8:18:07 AM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: MotleyGirl70

Did all the kids have a different last name? Almost certainly.


18 posted on 03/03/2008 8:19:43 AM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

In another thread here on FR, I was called a racist, bigot for criticiaing the disgusting, dead-end rap culture.

Imagine that.


19 posted on 03/03/2008 8:22:05 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: FrdmLvr
Another “youngster” no doubt inspired by Juvenile’s lyrics.

Even the most hard-talking gangsta rappers (and Juvenile isn't that kind of rapper to begin with) do not rhyme about murdering their own mothers.

Just about the only subject among all MCs, gangsta or otherwise, that is sacrosanct and always treated with respect is one's mother.

MCs like the late Notorious B.I.G., the late Tupac Shakur, Ghostface Killah, etc. all have sappy tracks dedictaed to their moms alongside other tracks about killing their business rivals and romantic rivals.

I doubt there exists a single hip hop track by a black MC in which the MC expresses a desire to kill his own mother.

20 posted on 03/03/2008 8:24:13 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Winter Storm Watch
I never heard of this lousy thug before, but he has quite a rap sheet including:

Drug Possession

Outstanding Child Support Warrant

Assault and Battery

21 posted on 03/03/2008 8:24:41 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Winter Storm Watch

Rappers a joke.. they step and fetch for the upper middle class white teenagers.

No rap star will sell over 750k copies of an album tops without idiotic wiggers buying it and thumping down their suburban drags in their daddies escalades and BMW’s.

So they basically play to the stereotype whitie wants to make themselves rich, all the while claiming they are keeping it “real”.

Its beyond MORONIC.. and BET, MTV et all just gladly keep it going to line their own pockets as well... its beyond stupid.


22 posted on 03/03/2008 8:26:34 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: MotleyGirl70

I have no use for rap but this is a sad story regardless. Prayers for the victims.


23 posted on 03/03/2008 8:27:27 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Karliner
This shows the sort of lifestyle promoted. For rap, it's actually low key...of course I worked with the absolute worst of the worst "juveniles" in South LA. Glad I moved and even happier I'm retired, Respect Us
24 posted on 03/03/2008 8:28:53 AM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Dianna
Is this one of the most poorly written articles of all time, or is it just me?

Poorly written. I had to read it twice.

25 posted on 03/03/2008 8:30:05 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70

REAP WHAT IS SOWN!


26 posted on 03/03/2008 8:31:07 AM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: Winter Storm Watch
You lie with the dogs, you get fleas.

I'd do it if I have to
bustin caps with this a heat and load it clip up after clip
I'm packin my gauge, if I feel it
The glock, the gat, the nine, the heaters
See I be bustin caps like my amp be bustin speakers
So how do you figure that Big Boi be scared to blast ya
You 'posed to be quickest draw, but man, I hail em faster
1-2-3, you need to think about the future
Before I shoot your ass and dilute your blood with lead
From my hollow tips, I'll send you to an early grave


27 posted on 03/03/2008 8:33:21 AM PST by this is my name not yours (Free speech is the escape valve that keeps some people from picking up a rifle.)
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To: wideawake
Even the most hard-talking gangsta rappers (and Juvenile isn't that kind of rapper to begin with) do not rhyme about murdering their own mothers.

Oh, so it's okay to shoot up people, just so it's not dey momma? What if someone else happens to live by another philosphy that says it is okay to shoot dey momma? This Juvenile character is part of the sub-culture that glorifies gang style violence. He couldn't find a better way to make a living?

28 posted on 03/03/2008 8:33:52 AM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: Larry Lucido
I have no use for rap but this is a sad story regardless. Prayers for the victims.

Bump.

29 posted on 03/03/2008 8:35:19 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: wideawake

“Just about the only subject among all MCs, gangsta or otherwise, that is sacrosanct and always treated with respect is one’s mother.”

I guess that’s what you’ve got if you don’t see your father or maybe even know who he is.


30 posted on 03/03/2008 8:38:34 AM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: wideawake; ontap
Actually, all of his most popular songs are about getting drunk/high and partying.

Here's the first news item I remember seeing about this guy (a good friend of mine used to live on the same street and actually witnessed the "icepick stripper chase"):

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Jul 24 2000 5:30 PM EDT

Juvenile Arrested For Aggravated Assault, Battery

Digg Newsvine

Cash Money rapper Juvenile has been charged with five counts of aggravated assault and three counts of simple battery after he allegedly threatened to shoot several women and chased them out of his home in Mandeville, Louisiana.

Mandeville Police Department's Lt. Thomas Breazeale confirmed to MTV News that officers were called to the scene at 4:45 a.m. (CT) on Thursday, July 20 in response to a 911 call placed by one of Juvenile's neighbors.

Juvenile, whose real name is Terius Gray, was arrested and booked on the eight counts, all misdemeanors, on Thursday. He was released after posting a $2,076 bond.

According to a statement issued by the police, the five female victims told officers on the scene that they were from New Orleans and that Juvenile picked them up to serve as dancers at his housewarming party.

While at Juvenile's residence, water began leaking from the kitchen ceiling, and the rapper discovered that it was caused by water that had overflowed from an upstairs tub after it had been left running, according to the statement.

The women claim that Juvenile became upset and believed that they were somehow responsible. He then became physically and verbally abusive toward the women, shoving three of them to the floor and threatening to shoot them with a gun, although he never actually brandished a firearm during the incident and arresting officers did not discover a gun in the house.

After threatening the women, Juvenile then allegedly armed himself with what appeared to be an icepick and chased them outside of the house. The females then fled to a neighboring home, the resident of which phoned the authorities.

The rapper faces up to six months or a $1,000 fine for each count of aggravated assault and an additional six months and a $500 fine on each count of simple battery. Juvenile is next scheduled to appear in a St. Tammany Parish courthouse on September 11 to answer the charges.

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31 posted on 03/03/2008 8:39:10 AM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: wideawake
I doubt there exists a single hip hop track by a black MC in which the MC expresses a desire to kill his own mother

Thank you for providing us with an excellent example of a 'distinction without a difference.'

Congratulations.

He sings songs about killing other peoples relatives, and then is shocked when someone kills some of his relatives.

What an idiot.

L

32 posted on 03/03/2008 8:41:19 AM PST by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: wideawake
When a culture embraces killing anyone, such as the business and romantic rivals that you suggest, life becomes less valued. It is just a matter of time until the unintended consequences pop-up, such as the highly respected mommas getting killed. If you really place your momma on a pedestal, don't be a worthless thug.

It isn't possible to explain this culture with reason and logic.

33 posted on 03/03/2008 8:41:59 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: wideawake

“Right now he is ( getting drunk/high and partying
) and trying to grasp everything of what has happened.”

Is that last part of the sentence ‘ebonics’?

Is the reporter ‘black’? Or just stupid and illiterate?


34 posted on 03/03/2008 8:42:48 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

I’m thinking Mr Juvenile knows a bit more about this crime than his spokesman is letting on.


35 posted on 03/03/2008 8:43:40 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: Karliner

I’m at work so I couldn’t listen to that video “masterpiece” (/sarc). I would like to know what all those hand gestures mean. To me, it’s all gang symbols until I find out otherwise.

That was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. Got to turn it up later to hear what I missed. Give me The Beatles or Martina McBride ANY DAY.


37 posted on 03/03/2008 8:44:04 AM PST by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Sorry for his loss.
Wonder how close to living the low class thug life he was and how close he brought it to his own home.

In a way, did he kill his own family?

Tragic loss for anyone though.


38 posted on 03/03/2008 8:44:12 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: wideawake

What is an ‘MC’?

One hears it used to refer to many black entertainers, but what does it stand for?


39 posted on 03/03/2008 8:44:40 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Wonder if he’ll place a teddy bear at the street shrine...


40 posted on 03/03/2008 8:45:57 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: UCANSEE2

Used to mean Master of Ceremonies.


41 posted on 03/03/2008 8:47:20 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: MotleyGirl70

Thanks MG. Reading the lyrics was so “enlightening”. Geeesh, what filth. Is that all “they” think about? These jacklegs could never and will never have a real job. It’s the only thing they know. And some of them die because of it. You never saw this in the competition between The Beatles and The Rolling Stones. Nor do you see it between George Strait and Alan Jackson. All they did and do is write good songs that people like us here like to hear. George and Alan don’t have contracts out on each other. Why do these thugs feel that that’s the way to live. Don’t like your rival? Pop a cap on him and you win all the arguments. Except when someone pops a cap on you. And it will happen to this thug. Just a matter of time.


42 posted on 03/03/2008 8:55:19 AM PST by NCC-1701 (PUT AN END TO ORGANIZED CRIME. ABOLISH THE I.R.S.)
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To: wideawake

You make an interesting point.

Though of course we know how, uh, Oedipal, a literal read of Rap lyrics can be. They may not be a bunch of dumb Mother-Shooters, but they go on and on about another option.


43 posted on 03/03/2008 8:58:05 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: NCC-1701
Thanks MG. Reading the lyrics was so “enlightening”. Geeesh, what filth.

Disturbing isn't it.

44 posted on 03/03/2008 9:00:24 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70
ATTENTION ALL RAPPERS:

Gentlemen, it may have eluded you thus far, but all your money does not insulate you from the fact that 99% are losers with a capital L, who tend to attract an entourage of complete idiots. The fact that "rhyming real good" about prostitutes and drugs seems to make adolescent white kids go all gushy with envy and Liberal-guilt has always, and will forever, astound and sadden me. Still, even though I make a fraction of your money every year, even I can see that my chances of having myself or those I love "capped" is infinitely smaller than the brutal and short-lived existence you face every day.

Here is my five-point plan to save your life.

1) Fire your entire staff and change your name from "The Funky Masta Foo" or "Dubiious" to something like "Wally Anderson".
2) Move the hell out of NYC or LA to somewhere here in the Midwest.
3) Convert all your cash into some kind of trust fund which pays you a regular set amount every month so you can't wizz it away on drugs and women.
4) If you absolutely must create music, I suggest joining the Society for the Preservation and Encouragement of Barbershop Quartet Singing in America, as you almost never hear of those clean-cut, four-part harmony Barbershop quartet singers being involved in gangland shoot-outs over their Beyatches.
5) Send me 1/10th of your available cash for explaining this all to you. Slowly. In small words.

You see? Everybody wins!

45 posted on 03/03/2008 9:03:05 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Are you saying there MAY be a Ray Carruth element to this story?
Hmmmmm....


46 posted on 03/03/2008 9:09:07 AM PST by Riverman94610
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To: MotleyGirl70

He’s not writing a “bi*** had it comin” song?


47 posted on 03/03/2008 9:10:23 AM PST by glorgau
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To: NCC-1701

its called”Banging on wax”.


48 posted on 03/03/2008 9:11:44 AM PST by Riverman94610
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To: MotleyGirl70
Juvenile, who is in New Orleans, had been making regular child support payments, Francis said.

Gee, I wonder who would have benefited from this girls' death?

49 posted on 03/03/2008 9:12:33 AM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Experience Change!)
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To: UCANSEE2
One hears it used to refer to many black entertainers, but what does it stand for?

I'll try to explain it as untediously as possible, but the explanation will still be tedious.

In the pre-hiphop world of the 70s to "rap" was to smooth-talk. If someone was good at talking his why into ladies' bedrooms, or at selling stuff, or at explaining his way out of trouble he had "a good rap."

Isaac Hayes had a series of songs in the late 60s/early 70s called Ike's Rap I", "Ike's Rap II" etc. all featuring Hayes' spoken word seductions over a funky instrumental.

In the mid- to late-70s, breakbeat DJs started the very first hip-hop musical events. They employed MCs (masters of ceremony) to be their hosts. These MCs would exhort people to dance, comment on the dancing prowess of attendees, compliment attractive women in the audience, make announcements, hawk new recordings, advertise upcoming breakbeat dances, etc. - increasingly in rhyme as time went on.

Many of these MCs were called "rappers" because of their glibness and smooth-talking.

The first-ever hiphop record to chart was called "Rapper's Delight", and since then most casual fans of hiphop have called hiphop "rap" and the MCs who rhyme over the beats as "rappers", but on the East Coast - especially in NYC, the artist who speaks the lyrics is normally called an MC.

50 posted on 03/03/2008 9:15:15 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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